Did he go too far?

When’s enough enough? A jury will decide. Good guy stops robbery. Stabs bad guy… more than a few times.  – All Too Much

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Police say a suspect who tried to rob a Fresno, California, Starbucks in July is now suing the man who stopped him from committing a crime, according to NBC affiliate KSEE.

Fresno Police say 30-year-old Ryan Flores, who remains in jail on a felony attempted robbery charge, walked into a Starbucks wearing a “Transformers” mask and demanded money from the barista.

Surveillance video of the incident shows 58-year-old customer Cregg Jerri sneaking up behind Flores with a metal chair in his hand. The situation quickly escalates after Jerri strikes Flores with the chair.

During the heated altercation, police say Flores stabbed Jerri in the neck. But the tables quickly turned on the would-be robber when Jerri wrestled the knife away from Flores and stabbed the suspect multiple times, our affiliate KMPH reports.

Although law enforcement hailed Jerri a hero, the robbery suspect’s mother told KSEE Flores “should not have been attacked back the way he was.”

“He has 17 total stab wounds, lacerations, and defensive wounds,” Flores’ mother, Pamela Chimienti, told KSEE.

Chimienti claims Jerri used excessive force, which is why her son plans to file a lawsuit.

Flores is being held on a $155,000 bail and his next court appearance is scheduled for October.

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28 Comments on Did he go too far?

  1. Cregg Jerri faced imminent threat of death and responded accordingly.
    The criminal had both a gun and knife, he is damn lucky he’s alive in Police Custody.

    My concern, this is California.

  2. In defensive gun tactics, if you’re justified in shooting you shoot until the bad guy is no longer a threat. The only condition in which the bad guy is really 100% guaranteed not to be a threat any more is if he’s dead. I suppose if you’ve put bullets through both shoulders and both knees, that’d be good enough. But maybe not. I’d be going for center of mass anyway.

    I don’t see why using a knife on a bad guy should be any different.

  3. I AM HOPING THIS PLAYS OUT WELL FOR THE HERO, BUT ALL BETS ARE OFF IN CA!!

    AT 0230 ONE SATURDAY, I CONFRONTED TWO DREGS OF SOCIETY WHO WERE TRYING TO STEAL MY CAR FROM MY DRIVEWAY. TOOK MY .45 COLT SAA WITH ME, GREETED THEM WITH “TOP OF THE MORNING, ASSHOLES!!” THEY TOOK OFF AT A CLIP THAT I SWEAR WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT A 4.2 SEC FORTY!!

    IF THEY HAD NOT RUN AWAY BUT INSTEAD RAN AT ME, I WOULD HAVE HAD TO SHOOT THEM. BEING IT WAS CA, IF THAT SCENARIO HAD PLAYED OUT, I WOULD MOST PROBABLY BE BEHIND BARS!!

  4. Since when does a perp threatening to rob people with a gun have ANY DEFENSIVE moves???
    I’m with Uncle Al.
    This Asshole is truly lucky he’s not dead!
    The next time this happens (and there will be a next time) maybe he’ll get shot dead!
    Then the good samaritan can say “OK, yer move”

  5. “My concern, this is California.”

    California Penal codes tend to fall on the side of the defensive shooter. And they’ve gotten a lot better. Al’s right, you can stab away until he’s no longer a threat. The bad guy was caught 3 blocks away so he was still mobile. But this is a civil trial not a criminal trial. If LE thought Jerri had gone to far they would have prosecuted him.

  6. A civil suit, an hispanic plaintiff and the trial in California. Those three things would have me concerned about a fair verdict. I’ll bet most of those wounds are from Flores trying to grab the knife back to use it on the citizen.

  7. Put me on the jury and Flores would not only get a 500,000 fine for filing a nuisance lawsuit but would recommend to his criminal jury that he get a life sentence for his criminal act!

  8. Only someone excessively stupid would try to sue for excessive force when it was used in self defense. But, I guess it makes sense in this sue everybody world.

  9. “No good deed goes unpunished.”
    (ancient Chinese proverb)
    “Never give a sucker an even break.”
    (ancient American proverb)
    “Dead men tell no tales.”
    (good fuckin advice)

    izlamo delenda est …

  10. The perp was still struggling, so no – I don’t think it was excessive violence. Fresno is still a little bit cowboy country, so a jury may find in favor of the defendant. The biggest problem is that this is a civil case, so the burden of proof for Flores is much less than if criminal charges had been brought.

    Flores will argue that Jerri had no right to keep on stabbing. But it wasn’t Jerri’s knife; it was Flores’ weapon and Flores used it first. In these types of cases, many jurors take the attitude of “you bought your ticket, you take your chances.”

  11. Way way too difficult to tell from this distance.

    A Gun allows separation and usually enough damage for the recipient to get the message.

    A knife fight on the other hand, is not so clear. Not to say that even a shooting is very clear on when the threat is stopped.

    I think I would draw the line at him chasing the perp down after leaving the scene and stabbing him until he’s dead. If the purpose is leaving, then the knife threat is stopped.

    That would be too much, IMO.

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