An Air India passenger plane bound for London with more than 240 people on board crashed Thursday in India’s northwestern city of Ahmedabad, the airline said. More
16 Comments on Air India Flight to London Crashes After Takeoff
Don’t think this was Boeing’s fault. Video look like the flaps weren’t out.
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Horrible. Tragic. I’m very much looking forward to hearing what the hell happened.
Accounts say many residents where the plane crashed are dead or injured, and that all aboard the plane perished, save one incredibly blessed man who seems to have suffered only scratches. Maybe he’ll be able to offer some useful insights.
RIP prayers for far too many souls.
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@OldCoot — Good Lord, I just saw a very shaky video and it looks like you’re right. How can an “experienced pilot” with “thousands of hours” plus a copilot plus a checklist make such an awful mistake?
Can anyone offer links to any other videos of the crash, please?
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I’ve seen 4 articles and 4 different death totals 240, 241,242 and 244. Seems even simple facts are too hard for the media.
Yeah I dunno. Pilot + co-pilot + checklist – you’d think that would do it.
Maybe there is also a mechanical issue that got thrown into the equation at the last minute (we will see) but No Flaps = Pilot negligence.
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A doctor said he had examined the survivor, whom he identified as Vishwashkumar Ramesh.
“He was disoriented with multiple injuries all over his body,” Dr. Dhaval Gameti told The Associated Press.
Another medic said Ramesh told him that immediately after the plane took off, it began descending and suddenly split in two, throwing him out before a loud explosion.
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No flaps on takeoff, gear did not come up after positive rate. Pulled the nose up without enough lift. You can see the burble. Then at wings level the aircraft stalls and goes straight down and crashes on it’s belly
^ Anonymous Thursday, 12 June 2025, 18:16 at 6:16 pm
Not sure how you determined flap position, but depending on weather and weight, very little leading edge or trailing edge flap is used for takeoff. Landing gear is usually cleaned up pretty quickly for climbout, but not sure where the plane was in its takeoff cycle.
Yes, it seemed to have an airspeed and power problem, so bad pitot static input could feed bad info to the flight computers, or Center of Gravity was really out of bounds, or, or, or…..no need to speculate. The Indian NTSB with any requested help will sort it out.
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Been following this story since this morning. First loss of hull for a 787. Something’s amiss… These planes are so automated, it won’t really let you hand fly them at takeoff. You have to satisfy the computer’s electronic checklist to get it to release the brakes and throttle past taxi power. One of those checklist items is flaps & slats, which just means you have to select something, and it could be wrong. There’s some speculation that the RAT was deployed, emergency hydraulic pump, which indicates a double engine failure. So far there’s no visual evidence of engine failure, no smoke or fireballs. One of the videos has a shadow line along each wing, almost like the spoilers were unlocked, but that’s another one of those “impossible” combinations.
But basically it rose out of ground effect and stopped flying, and was way behind on the energy curve. The pilot seemed to mush it in as the stall proceeded. That’s kind of a natural reaction to the ground rising up at you, but it may also be intentional shedding of energy in an attempt to pick a good spot to make a crater. RIP to all involved.
KR
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Here’s a link to a much better vid.
It looks like there may have been some very serious mechanical problems.
Uncle Al: ” Good Lord, I just saw a very shaky video and it looks like you’re right. How can an “experienced pilot” with “thousands of hours” plus a copilot plus a checklist make such an awful mistake?”
The flight crew was busy calling Americans about their car warranty
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Loss of power. I’ve seen the jets at ATL airport take off almost vertical for noise abatement.
@Cynic,
I’ll give the crew the benefit of the doubt. The Captain had 10k+ hours, and was one of the airline’s 787 trainers. This was something seriously wrong mechanically. There are now reports that the plane flew from Delhi two hour before and had no in seat screens and no air-conditioning. Air India is known to scrimp on maintenance. Unlike US carriers, they’re not allowed to lease air frames and engines. US carriers lease their planes, and rent engines as “power by the hour”, with all kinds of stipulations and liability offloading. In India, they own all of it, and rumor has it they cut corners.
Don’t think this was Boeing’s fault. Video look like the flaps weren’t out.
Horrible. Tragic. I’m very much looking forward to hearing what the hell happened.
Accounts say many residents where the plane crashed are dead or injured, and that all aboard the plane perished, save one incredibly blessed man who seems to have suffered only scratches. Maybe he’ll be able to offer some useful insights.
RIP prayers for far too many souls.
@OldCoot — Good Lord, I just saw a very shaky video and it looks like you’re right. How can an “experienced pilot” with “thousands of hours” plus a copilot plus a checklist make such an awful mistake?
Can anyone offer links to any other videos of the crash, please?
I’ve seen 4 articles and 4 different death totals 240, 241,242 and 244. Seems even simple facts are too hard for the media.
https://vidmax.com/video/233672-breaking-horrific-video-shows-a-boeing-787-air-india-fight-crashing-into-a-residential-area-causing-a-massive-fireball
Best video I’ve. seen
Yeah I dunno. Pilot + co-pilot + checklist – you’d think that would do it.
Maybe there is also a mechanical issue that got thrown into the equation at the last minute (we will see) but No Flaps = Pilot negligence.
A doctor said he had examined the survivor, whom he identified as Vishwashkumar Ramesh.
“He was disoriented with multiple injuries all over his body,” Dr. Dhaval Gameti told The Associated Press.
Another medic said Ramesh told him that immediately after the plane took off, it began descending and suddenly split in two, throwing him out before a loud explosion.
No flaps on takeoff, gear did not come up after positive rate. Pulled the nose up without enough lift. You can see the burble. Then at wings level the aircraft stalls and goes straight down and crashes on it’s belly
https://nypost.com/2025/06/12/world-news/shocking-video-reportedly-shows-power-failures-inside-air-india-plane-hours-before-it-crashed/
Hmm, maybe a maintenance issue.
^ Anonymous Thursday, 12 June 2025, 18:16 at 6:16 pm
Not sure how you determined flap position, but depending on weather and weight, very little leading edge or trailing edge flap is used for takeoff. Landing gear is usually cleaned up pretty quickly for climbout, but not sure where the plane was in its takeoff cycle.
Yes, it seemed to have an airspeed and power problem, so bad pitot static input could feed bad info to the flight computers, or Center of Gravity was really out of bounds, or, or, or…..no need to speculate. The Indian NTSB with any requested help will sort it out.
Been following this story since this morning. First loss of hull for a 787. Something’s amiss… These planes are so automated, it won’t really let you hand fly them at takeoff. You have to satisfy the computer’s electronic checklist to get it to release the brakes and throttle past taxi power. One of those checklist items is flaps & slats, which just means you have to select something, and it could be wrong. There’s some speculation that the RAT was deployed, emergency hydraulic pump, which indicates a double engine failure. So far there’s no visual evidence of engine failure, no smoke or fireballs. One of the videos has a shadow line along each wing, almost like the spoilers were unlocked, but that’s another one of those “impossible” combinations.
But basically it rose out of ground effect and stopped flying, and was way behind on the energy curve. The pilot seemed to mush it in as the stall proceeded. That’s kind of a natural reaction to the ground rising up at you, but it may also be intentional shedding of energy in an attempt to pick a good spot to make a crater. RIP to all involved.
KR
Here’s a link to a much better vid.
It looks like there may have been some very serious mechanical problems.
https://youtu.be/SbDJjgN7Xbo?si=wYOCYXi8_ODtELME
Uncle Al: ” Good Lord, I just saw a very shaky video and it looks like you’re right. How can an “experienced pilot” with “thousands of hours” plus a copilot plus a checklist make such an awful mistake?”
The flight crew was busy calling Americans about their car warranty
Loss of power. I’ve seen the jets at ATL airport take off almost vertical for noise abatement.
@Cynic,
I’ll give the crew the benefit of the doubt. The Captain had 10k+ hours, and was one of the airline’s 787 trainers. This was something seriously wrong mechanically. There are now reports that the plane flew from Delhi two hour before and had no in seat screens and no air-conditioning. Air India is known to scrimp on maintenance. Unlike US carriers, they’re not allowed to lease air frames and engines. US carriers lease their planes, and rent engines as “power by the hour”, with all kinds of stipulations and liability offloading. In India, they own all of it, and rumor has it they cut corners.
KR
Damn, there sure are a lot of pilots here.