The Gettysburg Address mystery

Here is the The Gettysburg Address:

Four score and seven years ago our forefathers brought forth on this continent

a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that

all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing

whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long

endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to

dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who

here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting

and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot

dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave

men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our

poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember

what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us

the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they

who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be

here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these

honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave

the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these

dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a

new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for

the people shall not perish from the earth.

!!!!!!!snip!!!!!!!

What’s the mystery?

Has the word “forefathers” been replaced with fathers on 99% of searches of the Gettysburg Address?

At this point, how do we verify that the original text was “forefathers” and not “fathers”?

What are your educational recollections?

I seem to remember “forefathers.”

The Mandela Effect

What would be the reason for making the switch?

Is it a test to see if anyone notices, or cares, as our history is altered, thus shaping our future.

What’s next, switching the wording in the constitution? That could NEVER happen, right?

ht/ Toby Miles

64 Comments on The Gettysburg Address mystery

  1. Next step:

    “mothers”

    then

    “genderqueer founders of indeterminate and flexible orifice fixations”

    Because Abe was gay, donchaknow.




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  2. Knowing how corrupt the likes of google are, soon it’ll be ‘foreskins.’

    Look, the nation as we know it is gone. Its just a matter of how to divide it up so we have an America to spend our lives in, separate from leftist nuts, their islamist loons and their street criminal base.

    Sounds good, huh?t




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  3. In the 8th grade, I memorized what I believe each and every word of the Gettysburg Address.
    The teacher called on several students per day to repeat the Address and be graded.
    I could easily follow along and realize their mistakes.
    I have NO idea why he never called on me or what grade I may have gotten, knowing in my own mine that I KNEW every word.

    I was too much of an introvert to step forward and volunteer that I had yet to stand in front of the class and show my ability.

    ‘Forefathers’ is what I distinctly recall.




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  4. I remember ‘fathers’…..I also have a copy of Carl Sandburg’s ‘Abraham Lincoln: The War Years Volume II’ copyright 1939 It is ‘fathers’.




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  5. As a very tall boy growing up in the Land of Lincoln, many, many years ago, I was selected, because of my tall and white privileges, to perform the role of Lincoln in many celebrations of his birthday. In the process, I more or less memorized the Gettysburg Address. Forefathers.




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  6. I know I learned ‘forefathers,’ but this whole thing is perplexing me. It appears as ‘fathers’ almost everywhere. Image searches give ‘fathers,’ too, and that includes old pics. Forefathers can be found in some places, but they are few, and seemingly becoming fewer.
    I just can’t figure it out.
    Was I taughted bad, or is something going on?
    It is much a do about nothing, but wtf?

    and this is where “some people did something” goes




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  7. The correct answer is “fathers”. One can Google search “Gettysburg Address” and click on “images”. Results will yield, among others, old, hand written copies which all read “fathers.




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  8. We were taught “forefathers”. I distinctly remember some of us made fun of “four fathers” and the teacher had to explain the word.




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  9. Nope. I have a threadbare book from 1912 history of the civil war. It was fathers. I sent pics to Fur.

    First leaf is signed. To my Father. Christmas 1913.

    I bought it in ohio many years ago. It’s in bad shape, but it has hundreds of matthew brady photos and was published by permission of the War Department.




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  10. Christ. Will you alternate dimension people please get your ish’ together and stop fuggin’ up our perceived reality?

    It’s fathers.

    Also, it’s always been the berenstain bears and Vader never says LUKE. He says NO, I am your father.




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  11. Maybe forefathers or fathers from different textbooks used? I learned “forefathers”.




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  12. I remember forefathers. Mrs. R remembers Fathers. This is like a Twilight Zone episode. Parallel universes.




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  13. OK. All you “forefather” people clearly do not belong here. You’re suffering from the collapse of your dimension.

    Don’t recall putting up a “COME ON IN!” sign for our dimension….

    The point is, when in Rome, do as the Romans.




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  14. Forget my forefathers.
    What about ‘My Three Sons’?
    What happened to Fred MacMurray’s wife and what was Uncle Ernie doing after the lights went off at night?

    Did Fred’s wife get flattened by a steamroller like Rachel Corrie in the West Bank? They never explained any of that.




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  15. Unreported on the internet or History Channel that Bill Clinton was heard inexplicable uttering during a Monica face to face meeting,,,
    FORE!
    You know the dude loved golf,,,
    I remember the ‘fore’ thingy being taught as well.
    Tomato Tomatoe




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  16. I remember the entrance to Squaw Valley had a real stuffed bear in a ranger suit. Push the button and it said, ‘Remember. Only You can prevent forest fires.’

    I didn’t catch his name. Smokey Bear. Smokey The Bear.

    As an adult I went back and it was Smokey is nowhere. Sad.




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  17. It was fifty years ago, but when I memorized it, the wording was forefathers. I remember it that way because, as a 12 year old, I kept reciting it (that was my memorization method) as “foreskins.”




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  18. Im telling you i’m looking at the 1912 book right in front of me. Fathers. Period. Unless useless revisionism came into fashion by then.




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  19. I hold in my hands a copy of the Gettysburg Address in LINCOLNS OWN HANDWRIGHTING that has been in my posession for 50 years. It’s “fathers”. To hell with Google.




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  20. All takes is one school book to fuck it up for generations. They will reprint that Houghton Mifflin, at least in parts, for decades upon decades.




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  21. Well, I think its kinda’ obvious you’re not the exploder jimmy. His name says JIMMY THE EXPLODER while your name is merely Jimmy.

    However, neither Jimmy has an avatar so it’s all a bit academic.

    The point is, are you from the normal “fathers” dimension, or are you one of those alien “forefather” people the Bible most likely warned us all about.




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  22. Oh! Speaking of hearing things…… Padres/Diamondbacks 6th inning. Announcer fits in a few one line ads in between pitches.

    “Geico car insurance….so easy a gay man can do it.”

    .
    .
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    mic picks up crowd noise
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    .
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    .”HERE WE ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE 6TH….”

    A real life laugh out loud moment.




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  23. I’ve heard it recited both ways, Aaron, and figure people are taking license with the original text. Plus, I seem to remember that the original paper he wrote it on with pencil still exists somewhere. We need a site historian!

    But this business of memory ‘shifts’ – I’ve got some of my own that are just bizare. But we would need some C2H6O before reciting them.

    (My original avatar was the “Don’t Tread On Me” Gadsden Flag.)




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  24. No, it was always fathers.
    rectify – used by the Ministry of Truth as a euphemism for the deliberate alteration (or ‘correction’) of the past
    thoughtcrime – the criminal act of holding unspoken beliefs or doubts that oppose or question Ingsoc




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  25. Anyone insisting that they remember it as “fathers” is outright lying. More CIA/Pentagoons trying to control the subject. “Forefathers” is historically correct, so beware, the liars are after rewriting the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And it is not the fake “Mandela Effect.” It is AI at work on internet sources–text, photos too. We are in an age of extremely advanced technology, far beyond what sci-fi could invent decades ago.

    “It has become obvious that what is happening now is that revisionists, who want to destroy history, have started using massively powerful artificial intelligence to back write everything digital, including even photos and locations of historic reference, provided they are in digital form. There is probably no “Mandela effect” per se, instead there likely are revisionists using advanced AI to back write everything and erase reality from the internet. This time they screwed up and only re-wrote direct historic reference that claimed to be historic reference and missed music. I’ll believe Johnny Cash long before I’ll trust a Google linked history site (or any site or photo any search engine pulls up nowadays.) We are obviously in the middle of a war, and the tech left is doing all it can to erase who we are in this war.”
    http://82.221.129.208/.wn6.html




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  26. Well well well… turns out “Jimmy” is one of those alternate dimension pod people.

    WHERE IS OUR JIMMY AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HIM YOU OUT OF PHASE FIEND!!!

    Seriously, you guys hear Peter Brady misquote Lincoln and suddenly its history?




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  27. Hear ye! Hear Ye!

    The Gettysburg Address As Read By Johnny Cash
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw

    The Gettysburg Address
    Johnny Cash
    Album America: A 200-Year Salute In Story And Song
    [Intro]
    Four score and seven years ago so began the message
    Of a war-weary President Abraham Lincoln
    A message written on the back of an envelope on a train
    On the way to dedicate a battlefield
    Where men from the north and south had died at Gettysburg Pennsylvania[Verse]
    Four score and seven years ago our forefathers brought forth on this continent
    A new nation conceived in liberty
    And dedicated in the proposition that all men are created equal
    Now we’re engaged in a great Civil War
    Testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived
    And so dedicated can long endure . . .




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  28. Aaron, you’re obviously referring to multiphasic inter-dimentional realities, which might just describe iOTWReport.




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  29. Now if only, as a nation we could all agree upon
    of a word like FORE?
    Seems we cannot yet do so.
    So meaningfully and life affecting,,,
    better to not piss ant over.
    Sleep well all, sincerely




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  30. I always remembered it as “forefathers” got a new edition to the Mandela effect there fur
    the “Mandela effect” is very freaky subject that will mess with your mind if you look into




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  31. Of course it makes a difference

    “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth….” sounds good.

    “Four score and seven years ago our forefathers brought forth,,,” is simply gibberish.

    Here’s a link to all 5 known copies.

    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm

    I’d be up for another civil war between the literate and the howling unwashed masses. Simply because the literate side would understand what FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY meant.

    So handy.




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  32. I looked it up in “The Book of Knowledge,” Vol. 5, pg. 1653.

    Our *fathers* brought forth…

    Copyright 1949, The Grolier Society, Inc., New York




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  33. my neighbor has a cousin whose furnace repair man dated a girl whose father worked at Nintendo and he said it should be changed to ‘ancestors’




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  34. I don’t know about your universe.

    But in my universe i was required to learn the gettysburg address for history class.

    We had to get up and recite it out loud. FROM MEMORY. With ZERO mistakes to pass that ‘test’.

    It’s forefathers. That’s burnt into my brain forever.

    So is the declaration of independance and the preamble to the constitution.




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  35. Ummmm, well I was THERE! and whilst the handwritten notes stated “Fathers”, Abe thought it might be a little jazzier to speak “Forefathers”. You know how orators seldom stick verbatim, to the script.




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  36. When did Schmucker’s change their name to Smucker’s?

    With a name like Schmucker’s, it’s got to be good.




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  37. Let’s cut to the chase here. Ask yourself what advantage, political or otherwise, would there be in engineering a giant (not to mention expensive) conspiracy to change one word in the Gettysburg Address from “forefathers” to “fathers”?

    As far as I can see, none. Zero. Zippo. Zilch.

    It’s “fathers”, and another prime example of the so-called “Mandela effect”.

    (I do have to admit, though, that “forefathers” SOUNDS better. Which is probably why so many of us remember it that way.)




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  38. PHenry, It was Uncle Charlie who ran the household. Ernie was an orphan who latched onto the family. Mike, Robbie and Chip were the real “Three Sons.”




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  39. There are four or five variant texts for the speech, and apparently most of them say “fathers” rather than “forefathers.” The version on the Lincoln memorial uses “fathers,” and as the memorial was completed in 1922, I don’t think we’re talking about some kind of sinister plot here.




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  40. I started searching this while watching “Kindergarten Cop” with Arnold schwarzenegger. The elementary school he works at does the Gettysburg Address every year and the year he is undercover there he has to teach it to the kids. Several scenes they say forefathers. The kids even make the joke did Lincoln have forefathers? Did he have four mothers?

    This got me wondering about it and then I discovered the same thing everything says fathers not forefathers. So why are the schools teaching us forefathers?




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