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A nightmare scenario played out at a Kentucky hospital as a transplant donor woke up on the operating table just as doctors were preparing to remove his heart, according to witnesses.
Thomas T.J. Hoover was taken to Baptist Health Richmond Hospital in Kentucky in October 2021 after overdosing on drugs. Doctors declared him brain-dead and proceeded to conduct tests to see whether his organs were worth harvesting, NPR reported.
Natasha Miller was one of the people tasked with preserving organs at Baptist Health Richmond Hospital that day. She told the publication that when nurses wheeled Hoover, 36, into the room, he seemed still very much alive.
“He was moving around — kind of thrashing,” Miller told NPR. “And then when we went over there, you could see he had tears coming down. He was crying visibly.”
His condition shocked several people in the operating room and caused two doctors tasked with the procedures to refuse to participate. more
“Hoover survived and is currently living with his sister. He has made a marvelous recovery though he still has some issues with his memory, walking and talking.”
…I sincerely hope he doesnt remember the day he was medically restrained as so-called “doctors” argued over ripping the organs from his living body without even an anasthetic.
…keep in mind that there are places where oath-breaking “doctors” in mockeries of “heath care institutions” rip the organs from fully functional, fully sentient, living human bodies EVERY DAY for politics and profit.
They are called abortion clinics.
We must be over-rating our medical people, first covid BS and now back to the 1600’s when it was not un-common to be buried alive. They used to hook a bell up at your grave site, that ran down into your coffin just in case…
when DEI becomes DIE
just wait until the day when someone, in a crisis, reaches to press the green button
“If we cannot promise robust and 100% accurate diagnosis of brain death, we cannot in good faith counsel families about organ donation, as to do so would violate the dead donor rule.”
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/inconsistency-brain-death-determination-should-not-be-tolerated/2020-12
^^^ that would be a colorblind person
as an RN, the only way I could pronounce death was after listening, and not finding, an apical pulse for 2 full minutes.
someone ‘important’ needed/wanted his heart, or the surgical theater was looking for work
…this is why I have never withheld resucitative care from anyone without obvious injuries incompatable with the continuance of life or signs of long-term organ failure, regardless of my PERSONAL opinion of how recoverable they may be.
Because I am not God, and I can be WRONG.
And here’s the shocker.
Doctors are ALSO not God and can be wrong.
…DEI, modern medical cowardice, and modern medical ennui do play their parts, but the BIGGEST problem I see in all levels and all types of health care is that they do not fear God; and as they do not fear Him, they do not hold the human lives He created to be sacred.
And if humans are not sacred in a way that cows and chickens are not, then it becomes easier for the Godless “doctor” to view them as less valuable to society due to an infirmity, and MORE valuable to HIM as a supply of spare parts.
Doctors are human, and humans make honest mistakes. Allowances are made in the hospitals and the courts for that. No one is perfect.
But if that “doctor” refuses to ACKNOWLEDGE that mistake, doubles DOWN on that mistake out of pride, profit, or politics, and tries to force OTHERS to support and conceal his mistake and injury or death results, because humans are sacred that doctor MUST be prosecuted and treated as a murderer or attempted murderer and punished accordingly.
Whether he’s ripping organs from a living man,
Or giving a child a COVID shot.
…and we didnt let “I was only following orders” fly at Nurenberg,
So to should it be no defense today…
3rd leading cause of death are “medical” mistakes but this one is a whopper.
stay away from stethoscope-*******
…and there IS a tendency in caring for patients to not consider them as fully developed human beings with wants, needs, desires, fears, families and friends. I myself have been there and sometimes go there still.
This is because you can NOT get involved in the lives and suffering of every single patient you come into contact with, it would drive the provider crazy and help NO ONE.
People have a LOT of problems. Not all of the problems can be solved in a single patient encounter by a single provider. If you get too wrapped up in the “human” aspect of a person, you will not be able to properly pursue the “diagnosis and treatment” aspects clinically and dispassionately, and sometimes medicine CAN be a brutal practice. Triage for example, whether it takes place in an ER or a mass casualty incident, can be very
blunt in how it does and does not make treatment decisions where patients far outstrip immediate resources. The medical practitioner that treats a crying girl’s first degree burn while her mother passes out and silently bleeds to death from an undiscovered wound from escaping the fire is an example of how a very human decision from a person distracted by human concerns from thoroughly assessing multiple patients prior to treating them is an example; a bad outcome from the best of intentions because a decision was made emotionally and not clinically that ended up harming both mother AND now-orphaned child.
You DO have to make choices sometimes, and as I said before, humans are fallible; this is why the choices need to be made as dispassionately and clinically as possible.
…but that is also situational.
I was a very low-level ambulance medic. I had a partner who could assist and debate me, a lieutenant or captain as a first responder, a medic service with additional support options, medical control, and a variety of things up to and including flight surgeons on helicopters that could be involved. I wasn’t operating in isolation most times, there was usually at least ONE other person who could tap me on the shoulder and say, “what are you doing?”, and such would have to be answered. You see, I was held to the “Reasonable Medic” standard, which is that MY actions would be judged by the actions of what a
reasonable person with the same level of training and the same equipment would do in the same circumstance. The fact that I had someone there with the same or higher training in most circumstances helped to enforce that, as the other individual was as good a bellwether for that “reasonable medic” standard as
any, and if I could not justify my actions to HIM, then it’s unlikely I would be able to justify my actions to my captain, my chief, a doctor, or a judge. I would be a fool to ignore that input and try to replace that person with one more like-minded even if I COULD. They may see something I don’t or know something I should.
That is MORE like the situation in this organ harvesting OR. A doctor was being told by similarly situated personnel that there was reason to NOT proceed with the procedure until it could be verified that this person was, actually in fact, dead. Others agreed with that assessment to the point of risking their
own careers and withdrew from the process in protest. This is a HUGE red flag that this doctor chose to IGNORE. There was no particular valid reasons to NOT examine the intended donor further, no rush at the OR, no change in the outcome of a recipient that a little extra time was likely to affect;
the ONLY reason the doctor had for trying to continue this procedure and bully other professionals into doing his bidding was “because I SAY so”.
That’s not good enough.
…there’s a phenomenon in aviation known as the homing instinct that has killed many people in many planes. There is a reason to go somewhere else or a reason to abort a landing because of weather, mechanical issues, etc. that a pilot, even BOTH pilots are aware of, but they choose to ignore because they become goal-oriented to landing this PARICULAR plane in this PARTICULAR place at this PARTICULAR time, so much so that they ignore more immediate problems that can be deadly. There are many examples of this, but Northwestern Airlines flight 255 comes to mind. There were delays and issues with the destination that they discussed instead of their departure, and they got in a hurry and ignored their takeoff check list to get in the air faster.
Two minutes later, thanks to the tunnel vision of these highly trained and experienced pilots causing them to not configure the aircraft for takeoff prior to trying to take off, 148 people from the plane and 2 on the ground were dead.
No one should lose their lives because someone else is in a hurry, but if you do not respect human lives as human lives, bad things happen.
There is ample evidence that medicine as an institution no longer respects human lives as different or special.
Things like this are the inevitable result.
…see Dr. Mengele or Dr. Fauci for further details…
“Most sickening of all, Miller says she overheard the case coordinator for Kentucky Organ Donor Affiliates callously request new doctors to perform the unethical procedure.”
This coordinator likely previously worked at Planned Parenthood.
^^^ she is probably paid on a commission basis
^^^ The Northwest Airlines flight I cite above makes another point on prejudging the possibility of life.
This aircraft fell out of the sky and onto a highway with a shattering impact, breaking it into many thousands of pieces. The responders at that scene would have seen a huge expanse of smoking devistation shot through with bloody body parts that any logical person would say no one could possibly have survived.
Fortunately, at least one rescuer refused to make that assumption. They walked the wreckage and heard a faint cry, and found a 4 yo survivor.
She’s still alive today.
https://www.annarbor.com/news/unforgettable-miracle-child-breaks-silence-for-anniversary-of-deadly-flight-255-crash/
Never give up.
Because you never know.
I will NEVER be an organ donor.
#1 because they are not too good as they are
and
#2 most likely, if they want anything from me, I’m still alive.
MMinWA
Monday, 21 October 2024, 9:12 at 9:12 am
“3rd leading cause of death are “medical” mistakes but this one is a whopper.”
…they call it “Iatrogenic” in the paperwork when a doctor injures or kills you.
Looks MUCH fancier that way.
…as a companion, when the hospital apart from the doctor kills you, its referred to as “Nosocomial”.
It happens so often it has a name…
new meaning for the phrase ‘organ grinder’
Is this a dead man, doctor?
Hardly dead, Mr. Spock.
The wife- “Trust me, he’s dead.”
Jim
Monday, 21 October 2024, 10:33 at 10:33 am
“The wife- “Trust me, he’s dead.””
…this is why, in the early days when there was no standard, formal process for DNRs and no way to verify them quickly, we typically disregarded them as there was a very real possibilty that the ONLY person in the room with you and Dying Guy who actually wanted him dead was the person holding out the fishy document to try to keep you from saving him…
If that gruesome removal of that man’s heart had actually taken place it would’ve been the most heartless medical procedure ever.
This story is just another warning sign of the increased use here in Canada of the doctor assisted suicide cases. (again with the name change to make it more palatable to people “MAID”.)
The powers that be keep lowering the bar. It used to be for terminally ill patients who were in the last stages of life and in unrelievable pain, it is now moving to those who have mental health issues.
If there is profit to be made, abuse is bound to happen. And I don’t know where that profit might be, but they aren’t doing these procedures for free.
I agree that those people, both the doctors and the politicians, the patients and the nurses are all putting themselves above God, God help them.
This story of a man waking on an organ donor surgical table is why I will never own an organ donor driver license. Once that box is checked, well, the odds are against my recovery.
To expand on SNS’s flight example…
Northwest 255 was flat out pilot error. I was taking ground school when that wreck happened. The plane was not correctly configured for takeoff and stalled at low altitude. They should have noticed when the throttle clamp wouldn’t engage at initiation of takeoff roll. Airliners when you commit to take-off have a throttle lock that prevents the pilot from accidentally rolling back the power without taking an extra step that would put the plane in an abort mode. This clearly indicated that the plane wasn’t fully configured and steps had been missed. They couldn’t prove it from the wreckage, but it was common at the time to pull a circuit breaker while taxiing in the MD’s to keep “Betty” from complaining about all manner of things while still on the ground. Unfortunately some of those complaints would have been “flaps” or “slats”, which were not set correctly for their departure profile. The only indications on the CVR was the profanity, the stick shaker, and the stall horn. The stall horn is usually a physical switch held open on the wing root by the airflow, and enabled by the main landing gear strut extending to the unloaded length. When the flow separates from the wing the switch closes and it powers a simple horn in the cockpit. The MD’s is likely more complicated (I didn’t make it that far… ran out of money and came to my senses…), but… If you trigger that in a heavy on takeoff, you’re just moving to the scene of the crash.
The pilots likely disabled an annoying safety system (can’t be proven), got fixated on something other than their takeoff procedure and initiated takeoff without configuring the wings. They stalled on departure, hit a pole that ripped a wing off, rolled over on to highway and slammed into a heavy rail bridge. The debris field was almost unrecognizable. Usually the engines survive. The rail bridge acted like a giant shredder. There wasn’t anything standing out that said “this is a piece of an airplane”.
But where I’m going to disagree with SNS… Most rational people seem to have an instinct to render aide. Every first responder I’ve known would have walked that debris field with a prayer on their lips. And they then themselves become victims. I’d have to question if those Doctor’s haven’t gotten a little too out of touch with their Hippocratic oath. They seem to have forgotten the donor is a person too. More likely however is there’s someone in the decision loop that hasn’t taken said Hippocratic oath. Some business major playing God with an Excel spreadsheet…
KR
“If we could just be China for one day.” Well, we almost were.