NBC- The widespread use of toothpaste and mouthwashes with added fluoride in recent decades appears to have diminished the known public health benefits of water fluoridation, a new study suggests.
But it would be a mistake for municipalities to interpret the findings as a reason to pull back on adding the cavity-fighting mineral to their water systems, researchers said.
“There’s no evidence to suggest that where water fluoridation programs are in place, that they should necessarily be stopped,” said Anne-Marie Glenny, a co-author of the study and a professor of health sciences research at the University of Manchester in the United Kingdom.
Hundreds of U.S. communities, from Amery, Wisconsin, to Union County, North Carolina, are opting out of water fluoridation. City leaders often cite medical freedom as a reason, saying it should be up to voters, not governments, to decide what is and what isn’t added to the municipal water supply. Groups opposed to fluoride also raise concerns that it may affect children’s IQ levels.
Just last month, a federal judge in California ruled that even though he couldn’t conclude with certainty that fluoridated water was a danger to public health, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency should strengthen water fluoridation regulations. more here
“Benefits of adding fluoride to water may be waning, new research suggests”
Were there any to begin with?
Heatsync
Tuesday, 8 October 2024, 23:01 at 11:01 pm
‘“Benefits of adding fluoride to water may be waning, new research suggests”
Were there any to begin with?’
…Sure.
Benefits for people who made fluoride and fluoridation systems.
And the polititicans who get kickbacks from them…
“… even though he couldn’t conclude with certainty that fluoridated water was a danger to public health, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency should strengthen water fluoridation regulations.”
Why? I assume he “concluded with uncertainty?”
What a blatantly totalitarian take!
Err on the side of caution – if there’s any doubt about either the dangers or benefits of fluoridation, the gov’t should keep out of it and let the consumers decide – but, of course, that attitude is at odds with our totalitarian-leaning juristic pretense.
mortem tyrannis
izlamo delenda est …
As I recall, back in the early 20th century researchers noticed some substantial mottling of people’s teeth from drinking ground water with a high (several ppm) fluoride content out in the Am West. Not very esthetic but they wore like iron. They found the sweet spot to be ~1ppm where you get the iron but not the ugly. No mention of learning disabilities or other problems linked to the high natural fluoride areas that I’m aware of. No wide swaths of death, retardation, etc, or whatever the problem de jour is, in the Am West. Dental problems diminished considerably in the gen pop. Watch Kubrick’s “Dr Strangelove” for a look at the 50s view of F. The USAF didn’t approve. I grew up an AF brat then and wished they had. Like a bad episode of Back to the Future, yeah, party like it’s 1899. Is fluoride poisonous? Of course. Some compounds exceedingly so. But as one of the wise old Greeks said, everything is poisonous now let us talk about dose. You can kill yourself with water if you try hard enough and some have. As I look around, I find it highly likely other things are turning our youth into morons and misfits with “neurobehavioral” [MSN art] problems. Solid, 20th Century science of the sort that got us to the moon and back being discarded for social fashion. IMO a bigger problem nowadays in all areas of society. Sure, freedom to put, or not, whatever in your muni water supply but rest assured it is the Luddites behind this push with fluoride .”it’s poisonous!” See “wise old Greeks, above. Sorry, no sale here.
Gogira I am reporting you to iowntheworldreport authorities for impersonating SNS
Everything I know about water I learned from Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper.
How many countries around the world use fluoridated water?? If my old memory is working today, seems a chemical spell in NJ years ago, or in some upper east coast state years ago that what so wide spread they claimed it was beneficial and sold that story to avoid clean up altogether.
By product of aluminum mining.
Used for rat poison in the 30’s…..
You eat it,it ain’t for me.
I don’t know if fluoride is poisonous when consumed, but I survived a lifetime of drinking it and my teeth are great. So are my sister’s. Maybe some of that is genetic, but my pre-fluoride parents’ teeth weren’t so good. So I’m on the fence about mass fluoridation. But these days, I am leaning against mass distribution of anything for the “common good”.
What I want, though, is clean, potable water in the pipes, with or without fluoride, and a dependable supply of it. And yesterday there was a massive hack on waterworks along the east coast, affecting millions of people in fourteen states. In my experience the administration of public waterworks has been done by some of the dumbest people in government. But what I am inferring after this waterworks hack is that the operation of municipal waterworks is being farmed out to private enterprise.
Now, that may be a good thing, what with Flint, Michigan and some other waterworks disasters, but there could be new drawbacks and dangers when the profit motive takes over. We’d best keep a watch on what they are doing to our water supply, and what they’d like to do with it.
I saw this on the internet yesterday, and it made me laugh, but mostly because it is so true:
“I keep trying to follow the science, but it always leads me back to the money.”
We knew this was a neurotoxin since day one. We put in green sand sediment filters, whole house carbon filters, ultraviolet parasite filters, water softener and Reverse Osmosis drinking water. Of course, this was not only due to fluoride, it was because our city tap water comes out dirty just like the brown stuff you flush down the toilet. Yes, the city say’s it is safe to drink. Just as you would expect, we live in a Democrat run small shit hole town in Illinois.
@gray, butthead, third,
Dose, dose, dose. Everything is poisonous, some things more than others. The rule stands.
@gray
“The solution to pollution is dilution” (my old chem prof)
@Larry
Au contraire, one paragraph? Not nearly as verbose nor on multiple posts. His heart, however, is in the right place. In your case, that is up for debate.
gojira, you miss my point. There is a fine line between “poisonous” and “ineffective”, and I am less sure than ever that our governments are capable of walking that line. As has been mentioned, there are many fine fluoride products out there today, which allow one to rinse and not consume. The benefits of fluoride are in the mouth, and not the digestion. Maybe people should be given a choice as to the ingestion of Fluoride.
And as I said I am more concerned about other contaminants in my tap water, as well as the cleaning processes for wastewater. I am not firmly advocating against fluoridation, but is it really necessary, safe and effective? It’s worth asking.
To the elites that want to kill us and rule over the remnant, water and food, or the lack of is a weapon in many forms.
Freedom!
There was NEVER a benefit. When you go to the dentist, does he have you INGEST flouride or does he make you wear things that has it in the mouthpiece? Flouride is a NEURO toxin that will kill you. It also stops firing of synapses in the brain. It was used for one purpose. To DUMB US DOWN.
@Third
Got your point. You maybe missed mine re dose. Implied in the “everything is poisonous” thinking is the concept of a therapeutic range which you grasp, apparently, but ascribe a narrowness of that range to the fluoride compounds used that they don’t deserve. Like I said, historically out west we ingested many times the current recommended dosage with no ill affect except stained teeth. For comparison hydrogen cyanide can be tolerated at 40-50 ppm. We’re not one molecule from death here. What you may not appreciate is that topical F agents are better than nothing but fluoride ingested when the teeth are forming subtly change the mineral structure of teeth as they form making them much more acid resistant *throughout the whole tooth*. Your choice is between weather-exposed iron structure with a few-molecules-thick coat of paint or stainless steel. I understand the distrust in science and – of late – it deserves it but this is as close as one can get to the mythical “settled science” and is backed by the better part of a century’s practice. If someone comes up with some credible science refuting it, I’m all ears but to just blanket state that fluoride is poisonous, case closed, is not a cogent argument. On a side note and not relating to your post, the fact that some process, smelting aluminum was mentioned as I recall, yields the desired product and other side products. It is not quite as dramatic as using the term “industrial waste” for said product. That’s just smart science and good business. Imagine what we would waste in a barrel of oil if we just distilled out say, the diesel fraction, and tossed the rest because it is indeed toxic. Recall this is all built on yesterday’s (pretty much) “trustable” science. The oil, fluoride and every other industrial process wouldn’t be here without it. Like the fence in the parable, don’t tear it down unless you know why it was built.
I grew up in a house with well water. It was the best tasting fresh water I’ve ever had from the tap. After moving out on my own, I lived in many apartments and houses that had city water. Couldn’t stand the taste, so I’ve always filtered my drinking and cooking water.
My current house has well water, but it’s so full of iron that I have to filter it, also. At least I know it doesn’t have fluoride.
I talked to my dentist about using non-fluoride toothpaste and he said that my teeth are fine and the older one gets, the less you need it. He also said to make sure that I rinse my mouth no matter what toothpaste I use. Never allow it to remain in the mouth or swallow it.
@Third
My last post was addressed to you but contained a mish mash of items from other posters. My apologies if the shoe doesn’t fit.
@Claudina
I don’t know if you can make that claim without specifically testing for F. Iron ion exchange filters likely won’t do it. You also likely benefitted from “fluoride creep” as it was transported out of fluoridated water districts in all manner of consumables made with that water. And, yes, it is cumulative and that’s why you don’t need much as you age. Is your DDS just misinformed or does he sense your doubt about it and is playing along? Dunno. Don’t care. All you others out there that think you are fluoride-free, you’re not nor have you been for likely 50-60 years or more. You may all rest easily as these sources have been accounted for and have made sure you don’t get too much. If you do, you get mottled teeth. You don’t suddenly get retarded and die.
My educated guess is that if your water has lots of iron in it, it is also hosting many other minerals. Some, dare I say, possible fluoride compounds. Even sweet water can have it naturally and you would likely never know. Maybe you didn’t get the recommended 1ppm but even smaller quantities are beneficial. If one wants to talk about evildoers just in it for the money as others here have, I’d bet there are several outfits popping up as we speak making “fluoride filters” using that “modern day” science that don’t do a damn thing.
Lastly, for those of you throwing around accusations of SNS-style loquaciousness, note that some of the most outrageous half-truths and misconceptions are being tossed out here in one sentence that take some time and thought to address. It’s a very left wing approach to debating to damn the refuter and toss out the dismissal that “he’s just being verbose” for its own sake. I have some knowledge and it is my duty to inform. You all don’t trust modern day science but you trust these knuckleheads using it to dismantle the old. Got it. This is exhausting. I’m done.