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CA: Safe spaces for Heroin users

Wednesday, 12 April 2017, 10:15 MJA Uncategorized 23

Assemblywoman Susan Talamantes Eggman’s AB 186 would authorize safe spaces where drug addicts can shoot up hard H under medical supervision in eight California counties.  Story here

23 Comments on CA: Safe spaces for Heroin users

  5. As a libertarian I have long advocated for legalization of all substances; addicts get them regardless, and criminalization leads to more dangerous varieties. As someone who lost a dear friend a couple of years ago to H, and who has studied the subject fairly deeply since then, I have learned that a well-run program like this can ease societal costs while helping those who truly need it. I recommend a deeper look, and also an understanding of what the current ‘War on Drugs (TM)’ has done to the US and to the world.

  6. LCD,

    I would imagine the WALL would have a major impact on the drug issue. Not so sure about this program. Eggman is an open Lesbian. Was a professor. Obviously a huge libtard. But because she’s from Stockton she is fighting Brown tooth and nail on the Delta Tunnels. I guess you take your help from where you can get it. Those Tunnels would be a disaster.

  7. Very pure black gum heroin comes from mexico. They grow the poppies there now as well. This one area has a devastating business model for delivery. The suburbs only, no blacks ( so they dont get robbed) and small amounts only, delivered. anyone asks for large amounts, they assume its police and shut down. Drivers are paid a good salary, so they never step on it. All from “Dreamland”, a good two pronged read on america’s opiod problem.

  10. Drug-taking is a vice, and Vices are not Crimes.

    Drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and hashish, are agricultural products that are easy to grow, cheap to process, and simple to distribute. The enormous amounts of money involved in drug trafficking come from the very fact of their illegality. It take a lot of money to get people to risk very long prison terms, up to life and execution, and the willingness of rival drug traffickers to use violence to remove their competition. We would be looking at similar money-fueled violence if coffee beans were made illegal.

    Illegal drug-taking is a serious public health problem, and the money represents a serious risk of corruption in police forces, district attorney offices, judges, legislators, and govt executives. Another pile of money being burned is paying for dedicated police organization, prosecutors / judges / courts, and prisons.

    If these drugs were legalized, their use would be a serious public health problem – and none of the rest of the problems.

    If the govt can put you in prison for eating hash brownies it can put you in prison for drinking coffee. It should be your legal right to consume any food, drink, or anything you choose to consume.

  12. @Left Coast Dan – Thanks, and well put yourself. The central govt had to find something for their agents to do after repeal of prohibition, so they focused on other popular social drugs. One question we ought to hear a lot but we actually only find it asked rarely, is if it was necessary for there to be a Constitutional Amendment to make alcohol illegal, why wasn’t one necessary to make marijuana illegal?

  13. it is hard to stop the flow of drugs into this country when the government is the main importer.
    do you think it’s kept illegal because they make so much more money off of it since it is illegal?

    follow the money
    enforcement
    courts
    prisons

    all government run
    all taxpayer paid for

    ya gotta keep those wheels turning.

  14. @Uncle Al,
    I’m with you on one condition:
    Unquestioned 2nd Amendment AND ubiquitous Castle Law defense. (not where we are today)

    Don’t waste my time if a junkie breaks into my home and I make him fertilizer.

  16. Believe it or not, there actually is a practical reason for the bullshit. The average smack junkie is such a selfish and irresponsible asshole, that he will leave his dirty needles all over the place if they are shooting all over the place. These “safe” zones are not for them. It’s to keep everyone else safe from their dirty fucking needles which those worthless cunts leave all over for some baby to put in his mouth or some person in sandals to step on. Since it’s not legal yet to simply kill these wastes of humanity on sight, this is the next best way to protect the public from their filthy lifestyles.

  19. Sometime in the 1960’s, I think, Consumer Report came out with a book called “Licit and Illicit Drugs”. About half the book was about heroin and it was an eye-opener for me. If you can find that book, it’s worth reading.

    There are people out there that are criminals and they would be criminals even if no drugs existed. There are also people out there whose only crime is they use a illegal drug. In my experience the vast majority of pot smokers are in this category.

    I wouldn’t particularly care if my neighbor was a heroin addict if he was supporting his habit with a job at MacDonald’s. Nor would I care if he didn’t use any drugs at all and somebody shot him dead because he chose to earn his living by robbing old ladies.

    There are good and evil people in the world. All the good people have some bad habits and even some of the evil people have a good habit or two.

  20. Uncle Al & LCD,

    This is long but the excellent points you both made deserve a thoughtful response.

    If the state proposed a two part deal 1. All drugs will be legal & 2. The state will get out of healthcare, daycare, food stamps and all other social welfare policies I would take that deal. You want to take drugs- well, it’s your body do what you will. I mean a world in which a junkie has an O.D. and the ambulance can’t find proof of insurance in junkie’s wallet they can just leave the junky on the street to die- I can live with that deal; but that libertarian day will never come. So as long as I’m on the hook for some junkies’ welfare (in a tax sense) I want those drugs outlawed. I should also like to see drug testing for receiving welfare- if you have the funds to get high you have the funds to pay your own way in life- but I digress.

    Here in Colorado the “cut the cartels out as the middleman and thereby violence will be eliminated” has, as I understand it, not worked out as well. Apparently, here in Colorado, the commercial home growers and dispensaries are getting visits from the cartels and the message is basically “we still get out cut”. On top of that pot bought on the street is still cheaper because, get this, there are no taxes on street pot. Speaking of taxes, all the taxes from the pot sales that are earmarked for schools and mitigation (the law makers actual had the foresight to realize that there would be unforeseen problems so they designated the pot taxes raised would cover pot problem mitigation and schools)… not a dime has gone to the schools because the pot problem mitigation costs have exceeded the total pot tax revenue. But I’m with you in theory but the unintended consequences of reality shoot the theory all to hell.

    Two last notes one philosophical and one personal; philosophical first. I can’t help but ponder the fact that there was a time that China was enslaved by opium. Think about that- an entire nation losing the will for self-determination because of drugs. The first step for China to break free was to wage an actual war on drugs. They targeted both the supply and the demand. Are we doing that today? The answer is a flat “no”. When numbers cited of all the people in prison for drugs as proof that the war on drugs has failed what is missed is in most of those cases that make up those numbers the criminal was looking at multiple charges and in the course of the plea bargain the criminal pleaded guilty only to the drug crime and the other charges were dropped; it is a myth that are prisons are filled with people only guilty of using drugs. Or think of it this way- do a quick mental count of how many people you know who dabble in illegal drugs- if your count is more than zero (unless you only have Mormons for friends) you can safely conclude that we, as a nation, have not been waging an actual war on drugs. Oh, the Feds have spent a hell of a lot of money but it’s only been a ‘show war’. When Hollywood A List actors and Wall Street top dogs are put in prison cells next to El Chapo for the same amount of time because they are as guilty, in a RICO sense, of all the murders El Chapo is guilty of, in a RICO sense, then we can say we are waging an actual war on drugs.

    Which brings me to my last and personal point. I’ve lost, by death, a father and a brother to drugs. I’ve lost a sister (she is hopelessly addicted) and I’m watching a nephew being raised with no hope of a future because the laws are set up that my sister, who is unfit to be a mother, can still keep her son. The only way I can figure it is the democrats see a system that is a sausage factory for voters-for-life so why break the cycle; but I digress. Left Coast Dan, I know the personal pain the drugs bring to friends and families. When I run the cost benefit analysis of waging a war on drugs or legalizing drugs my vote is let’s wage an actual war on drugs before we give up on the idea we can’t win.

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