Mother of Roy Moore Accuser Contradicts Key Detail of Daughter’s Sexual Misconduct Story.
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Breitbart:
Jonathan Lee Krohn and Ryan Grim report for The Intercept that Roy Moore’s political opponents have tried in vain over the years to find evidence proving the Senate candidate had “women issues”:
Republican strategists in Alabama have for years heard rumors that Roy Moore had “women issues” — a euphemism for sexual misconduct used in the politics business — according to four sources who ran various campaigns against Moore, but they were never able to get definitive proof.
“There’s been a rumor for a while,” said David Mowery, an independent political consultant who first heard the allegations in his role as campaign manager for Bob Vance, Moore’s opponent in a 2012 race for chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. “But I don’t know if anyone knew the extent of it, if you know what I mean,” Mowery added.
Moore is the Republican candidate in a December special election for a U.S. Senate seat in Alabama. Luther Strange, who lost the GOP primary to Moore in September, has also known of the broad allegations against Moore for months, according to two sources with knowledge of the campaign’s activities not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. Opposition researchers from Washington and from Strange’s campaign traveled to Moore’s hometown of Gadsden, Alabama, earlier this year, but were unable to confirm the rumors, the sources said...
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Multiple Standing Ovations for Judge Roy Moore as He Hammers Washington Post Smears at Veterans Day Event
VESTAVIA HILLS, Alabama — Judge Roy Moore, the GOP nominee for the U.S. Senate here in Alabama, received a standing ovation from veterans and Republican supporters here at a public library at his first public event since the Washington Post smeared him earlier this week.
Moore’s condemnation of the Post came towards the end of a nearly 30-minute rousing speech honoring veterans and standing up for the principles of the United States just outside Birmingham here on Saturday morning.
“Now I want to address something that some people have come here to hear about,” Moore said in front 50 or so supporters, turning his attention to the giant pack of media who came to Alabama to report on this. “Shortly after becoming the Republican nominee for the United States Senate, the Washington Post began an attack on the Foundation for Moral Law, on my wife, and on me. For weeks, we read about my salary which they distorted, about taxes where they said we were paid money we never got. But we endured that.”
“Later, they came out and endorsed my opponent in this race,” he continued. “Just two days ago, the Washington Post published yet another attack on my character and reputation in a desperate attempt to stop my political campaign for the United States Senate. These attacks about a minor are completely false and untrue about something that happened nearly 40 years ago. But more than being completely false and untrue, they are very hurtful to me personally.”
This guys got some baggage and isn’t handling it well at all. We now know why Trump was in the Luther camp. I don’t think he’s done anything illegal but an older guy dating a 15 year old is not going to go over well with most of the nation. I hope he prevails. He’d be a great MGA team member if he can withstand the attack by the Uni Party.
McConnell is suggesting they block him or not seat him if he wins. Now they are trying to take out Hannity by getting advertisers to bail since he hosted a child molester. It isn’t dating a minor 38 years ago that offends them, rather their losing power and influence.
All hypocrisy, God will judge…Moore’s (if he is one) but especially all those hammering men in his situation purely for political reasons when they do the same and far worse.
Hey Brad I wish you’d pipe to fuck down. You’ve been hammering away since this shit first appeared last week. 40 year old bullshit contrived by McConnell and other RINOs who just don’t want Moore as he is not a “team player.” You hope he prevails? Then get off his fucking back and lend him a hand. That one broad was bribed by the WAPO and hounded by some reporter before she gave it. Gimmeafuckinbreak! I’m tired, tired ,tired of this bullshit.
“McConnell is suggesting they block him or not seat him if he wins”
If that happens we need to show up at his Congressional office with a rope. Who the F do these people think they are to go against the will of the voter?
#nevermoore = #nevertrump
Tommy,
Tell me where I’m wrong and I’ll shut up. Actually I’ll shut up anyway. You got the entire place to your self slick.
He was 30 and briefly dated local girls who were 18 or 17?And these girls admit all that happened was they kissed, consensually? Big deal.
The Leftist hypocrisy is hilarious.
Now it’s revealed at least one of these accusers ( ” we dated, and he kissed me!”) is a longtime Dem employee and BFFs with Moore’s Dem opponent.
Like the Trump accusers HRC tried to bring out last year, these women are lying…for money, for attention, or to help The Resistance.
If these women had any thing on Moore they’d have played that card already in past elections. Not a peep until suddenly now.
America needs Moore to win and support PDT.
And our fellow patriots need to learn to stop with the knee jerk circular firing squads.
I don’t care what he did, Washington is WORSE. You have just god-awful, horrible people giving everyone else the Puritan test.
Nah, we’re forcing his ass in the Senate no matter what. Deep red Alabama must push it on through.
Last Fing word Tommy, I have a daughter and if she was 16 or 17 and dating a 30 year old I’d track his ass down and convince him not to see her again. That is reality. I’m starting to think this guys a stone cold loser.
No ticky, no laundry. They either put up proof or STFU.
Conveniently timed huh?
Right now, without any worthwhile and solid evidence to tar Moore, I don’t buy any of this horseshit. One of the accusers, Deb Gibson, has worked as a sign-language interpreter for a truck load of Dummycrats down South. And consider how the NeverTrumpers opposed Moore. I’ve smelled a HUUUUUUUUUUGE RAT from the very start of this insanity. All these years have gone by and nothing surfaces until now??? To quote Curley Howard – “It’s a co-inky-dink!” :^#
Brad you are wrong by saying he cut his own throat on Hannity. You are wrong on saying he’s got baggage and isn’t handling it well.
These are 40 year old unsubstantiated charges against a man who, up until now just pissed off the atheists of the nation. Now the RINOs don’t want him so they throw him under the bus based on “allegations” without even an inquiry.
Democrats and the media rally around rapists, child molesters, spies, money launderers, traitors, thieves, and utter scum, yet republicans will throw good men under the bus on a mere allegation.
I hope the people of Alabama see through this fakery and put him in the Senate.
The swamp has a putrid smell. Moore would be a breath of fresh air.
Brad I too have a daughter and I would do as you would do, if something like that happened. But did anything untoward happen?
I don’t care if he had her mother’s approval, if my teenage daughter was dating a 21 year old I would put a stop to it. A 30 year old? I’m not liking it, and if I don’t like it nobody else will either.
So, I don’t image it MATTERS to anyone who is against Moore – that these young ladies did not claim he molested them? They were flattered at being asked out apparently. It is not proven that this even happened as they have *suddenly* come out and said. I can tell you for a fact that you could line up every single dude I “dated” when I was between 17 and 19, asked me specifics, and I would be at a complete loss. 32-34 years is a LONG time to retain a memory of two dates and a couple of kisses. Seriously, I could not even recognize a dude I dated less than a couple dozen times from that far back… and then probably not. And EVERY young woman I knew back then would fib a bit about her age to seem more mature. A year or two or three.
And BTW, Mitch McConnell is eleven years older than his wife.
Jack Nicholson, as Randall Patrick McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest:
“She was fifteen years old, going on thirty-five, Doc, and she told me she was eighteen, she was very willing, I practically had to take to sewing my pants shut. Between you and me, uh, she might have been fifteen, but when you get that little red beaver right up there in front of you, I don’t think it’s crazy at all and I don’t think you do either. No man alive could resist that, and that’s why I got into jail to begin with. And now they’re telling me I’m crazy over here because I don’t sit there like a goddamn vegetable. Don’t make a bit of sense to me. If that’s what being crazy is, then I’m senseless, out of it, gone-down-the-road, wacko. But no more, no less, that’s it.”
🙂
Look guys, there are no tapes of him saying he could grab theit kittens.
Bad_Brad, I was 16 when the Mr. asked my parents if he could date me. He was 26. Long story short, it’s 40 years, 2 boys and 3 grand kids later. We were both completely faithful. So was it wrong?
Vietvet
Totally logical. Justify this Bull Shit with a movie. Stop playing video games for your own good.
I hope the guy gets elected. I find him around my daughter I’ll kick a lung out of him. Hows that?
When is the election?
It’s starting to look like the scummy Washington Post Left just enough time for Team MAGA to uncover some ugly truths about the “journalist” and the accusers.
Personally, I never liked Moore. He seems on the verge of dementia.
But I hate Democrats even more.
McConnell doesn’t.
Remember Thad Cochran.
RottyLover
Although the age difference is not near as dramatic, as a parent I probably would have had a problem with it, but back to Moore, we are talking a 15 to 18 year age gap.
Rotty I’m glad it worked out and you found the right guy. I think you guys are the exception to the rule.
Tommy,
“Brad I too have a daughter and I would do as you would do, if something like that happened. But did anything untoward happen?”
So exactly where the fuck do we disagree?
biggest problem w/ Moore, on the Hannity interview was when he said, & this is may not be verbatim, “.. if I did, I don’t remember” & when asked if he dated teenager he said ‘no, generally no’ … that’s so weasel bullshit … ”
Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury, you just heard the accused basically say he ‘generally might have’ … he just doesn’t remember!
btw, the age of consent in Alabama is 16 … have at it!
PS, That guy should buy a real fucking gun. I get why trump steered clear.
Peace brothers and sisters. It’s up to the good people of Alabama come December 12th.
I would rather see Roy Moore elected than not. However, a 30 year old dating a teenager (no matter how pure the intentions) is wrong. Those that are putting themselves forwards as the best and brightest are not our best and brightest. As deplorable as I am I’m more electable than 95% of these guys.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Thank you, exactly. And then he added if he did date a 15 year olds he asked the permission of the mother. I’d be more impressed if he manned the fuck up and asked the father. I’m telling you this entire thing stinks. Or maybe I’m not from the south.
Joe
Yes we are on the same page.
I dated a 30-year-old when I was 17. My mom didn’t know, but I know she would have disapproved. Anyway, we were together around 5 years and it is a relationship I still value. It’s hard to call this one, but the timing sucks.
BTW, I read tonight that one of the 4 accusers works (still!! ) for Michelle Obama in her fancy new D.C. home. Making about $250,000 a year. She’s busy scrubbing her social media as we speak. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
The thing that gets me more than anything, Moore could be pure as the driven snow, but this will follow him for the rest of his life. The media and the RINO’s need to be killed with fire.
Sorry, that story was debunked already. Should have know.
“known”
question to all of ya … what, exactly is the proper age difference between older men & younger women?
10 years? … 5? … 15?
consider …..
Joe Biden is 75 … Jill Biden is 66
President Trump is 71 … Melania is 47
I realize that preying on young girls is verboten these days … my father-in-law was 21 when he married his 16-year old bride …. 5 children & together until they died
the only thing I really question about Moore is the ’14-year old’ situation … so far, I see little evidence
riverlife_callie
what would your father have said, and would he have been right?
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You actually know better than the question your asking. If your 30 involved with a 60 year old it’s a lot different than a 14 year old involved with a 35 year old.
one last thought … from one of my favorite philosophers 😉
“I go for younger women
Lived with several a while
But though I’ve ran them away
Hell, they come back some day
And still can manage to smile
Just takes a while
It just takes a while”
~ Jimmy Buffett ‘A Pirate Looks At Forty”
Molon Labe, teenagers need to stay with teenagers. Once you are 21 you make your own decisions. I know someone is going to say, what about a 19 year old and a 20 year old. Mostly talking about mid teens, to cross generations is what I am trying to restrict. And yes, I’m a dad and a grampa so I know how hard it is.
joe6pak
Yes. And I’ve chased vermin away from my daughter at an early (17) age. I promise you I made my point. The problem wit 17 and under girls is they’re stupid.
@Brad ~ understand … point is, I absolve him w/ the older girls .. no one has proved (to my reckoning) that any of them were under 18 at the time Moore dated them
my only problem w/ this whole mess is the alleged ’14-year old’ … so far, from what I’ve read, it don’t wash … he took her 30 minutes away???? … because he was ‘babysitting’ her when her mom was at a custody hearing?
that means he was a 1/2 hour away, meaning he had to do ‘the deed’ & get drive back in another 1/2 hour? … how did he know the proceeding would take over well over an hour? … what if it was postponed (which happens all the time w/ lawyers & ‘billable hours’) … timings off ….just doesn’t pass the smell test
vote moore
vote often
(read that somewhere. would have made a great campaign slogan)
Hell, I am 58 & my wife is 43. We met when I was 44 and her dad didn’t like it. We have been married a long time and have three kids.
@Bad_Brad – he would probably also have disapproved had he known. Would he have been right? I don’t know. I was a mature 17-year-old and the relationship was important to me. Had I the courage, I should have explained it to both of them, but I didn’t have the courage. I’d like to think they both would have given the guy a chance.
@joe6 ~ my daughter, who was 21 married a man 10 years older … didn’t like it one bit … (they have since divorced), but it wasn’t my decision
& if you look at your history you may find that ‘teenagers’ marry older men quite frequently … it’s actually a standard practice
btw, I’ve know 18-year olds that had a better heads on their shoulders than many 50-year olds I’ve known
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
This guy cut his own throat on Hannity. Hannity kept pitching them slow and over the plate and he kept being an idiot. Do I want Moore elected? Yes I do. But he describes some weird shit. Based on logic this guy might be a huge disappointment. Sharp as a marble. My main concern is advancing the Trump agenda. Will this guy help? Honestly I’m not sold.
riverlife_callie
Love your honesty. God Bless. I didn’t choose it, but now I’m the dad.
Here is what I have observed. The happiest, most compatible couples I know are of the same generation and within a very few years apart. It just makes sense. Can someone be happy with another and be many years apart? Of course. Do I want my beatiful teenage granddaughter dating a 30 year old? Hell no!
@joe6 ~ “The happiest, most compatible couples I know are of the same generation and within a very few years apart. It just makes sense.”
don’t ask me … go ask PDJT & FLOTOS
@Brad ~ I posted the same the night that the Hannity interview came out … he stepped on his own crank
& unless something more comes out … I’m in Moore’s camp & still support him
eventually, it’s in the hands of the Alabama voters
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Again fuck that. It’s a big God damn difference being 30 or 40 marrying an older man than 14 dating a freak. Tell me I’m wrong. I dare you. That argument is beyond stupid.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Well, you may not believe this, but I’m in his camp too, But he’s not that bright.
Understand that in some times and places “dating” wasn’t a euphemism for f***ing and it wasn’t uncommon for older men to court and marry teenage girls. And once upon a time men sometimes pursued women, even younger ones, in hopes of marriage rather than just a quick one.
In a culture where men were breadwinners and women raised the family it was essential to make a match with someone who was a good provider, and that usually wasn’t a high school kid. Note that the mothers of some of these “accusers” were flattered rather than offended that their daughters were attracting such a good prospect.
In the cosmopolitan world of two income families and career women the logic of this age difference makes much less sense and even seems strange, but for most of humanity for most of history it’s been the rule rather than perversity.
Rural Alabama isn’t New York City and Roy Moore isn’t Woody Allen.
@Brad ~ fuck it all you want … happens all the time …. my earlier post doesn’t seem to truck w/ you … I’ll re-post it for ya
my only problem w/ this whole mess is the alleged ’14-year old’ … so far, from what I’ve read, it don’t wash … he took her 30 minutes away???? … because he was ‘babysitting’ her when her mom was at a custody hearing?
that means he was a 1/2 hour away, meaning he had to do ‘the deed’ & get drive back in another 1/2 hour? … how did he know the proceeding would take over well over an hour? … what if it was postponed (which happens all the time w/ lawyers & ‘billable hours’) … timings off ….just doesn’t pass the smell test
ya see, I’m not condoning or condemning … I just can’t wrap my head around the ‘evidence’ (particularly the ‘time-line’) given so far
Moore, as I SAID THE NIGHT OF THE INTERVIEW didn’t give me a ‘warm & fuzzy’
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
I apologize. The amount of IOTW people that approve of pedophilia is mind boggling. Sorry Bro.
I just got done writing a real thought provoking paragraph that I couldn’t even understand. The bottom line is, do you think it’s ok for a 30 year old to date a sophomore in high school?
@Brad ~ no worries … we’re all more frustrated than Rosie O’Donnell at the Lilith Fair w/ a case of lockjaw about this
The world was a little different back then, less than a Billion people inhabited it, National Geographic introduced us to obscure Peoples, and invention was accelerating experience.
Our culture was a little different back then too, and some people were pushing the envelope: Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, and others. Harping on what used to be with today’s glasses is self righteous stupidity. We were a moral Country, not like the Muslim buggerers who sexually assault infants, animals, and beat their wives. This is a hit job on Moore, if the people of Alabama can’t see that then we are lost.
I also think the age difference- 14 with 32- is not right. Whether or not that happened, I can’t say. If it did, it is wrong.
To substantiate the charges, the accuser should provide a verified polygraph test. To my mind, at least. The timing of this stinks.
I looked up consent laws.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230?section=primarysources&source=24
In Alabama it was, and is, 16. They’ve been trying to raise it to 18 for several years.
I also found a real shocker, looking up those laws. The age of consent in Alabama in 1880 was 10. Ten. As was the case in the majority of other states. Except Delaware. In 1880, in Delaware, the age of consent was _7_. Seven. So, at least things have gotten better, legally, at least. It does all boil down to personal morality, though. I’d be shocked if there are (m)any here who condone relations with minors.
And my wife is older than me.
“…a man who, up until now just pissed off the atheists of the nation. Now the RINOs don’t want him…”
Truth. Just think about it because that’s what’s relevant to us all here.
30 years ago, I was 26 and he was 41. He always says he married me to keep him in the manner he was accustomed to. Thank GOD I got a dog.
Anyone wonder why decent people don’t want to run for office. Has anyone lived such a perfect live that they’d be comfortable having every aspect of it examined by people that want to find fault and destroy you?
@Bad_Brad (at 10:58 pm): Justify? What justify? Is that what you took from a humorous quote?
Some of the folks around this place need to lighten up at times.
I don’t think anyone is pushing pedophilia here.
Breitbart’ done some digging on the only real accuser, who claims she was 14.
Unstable, troubled woman. Three divorces. Filed for Bankruptcy 3 times at 53.
Major druggy. A series of drug arrests. Nonstop financial problems.
Crazy, broke and desperate. She’s every oppo smear mercant’s dream.
More good news on Breitbart. Moore is STILL 10 points ahead.
Alabamans are not buying the lies.
So 32 year old Charles starts tapping 19 year old Diana and everyone’s heart flutters at the fairytale romance. Happens to a Alabama guy, well, he’s a perv.
Anonymous, seriously? Do you really think that those who have a problem a 32 year old dating a 14year old, would be a fan of anything prince charles has done? You might have swung and missed at that one.
McConnell, McCain, Romney, Murkowski, Collins, Flake, ect have all voiced that this man is bad for the party.
Sold ! Moore is my man.
Go aheaed and destroy this man and let us lose the seat. The dems will be more than happy to fill it with what we all know will be some shady hustler with a past to rival Charlie Manson. That’ll fix things.
I don’t want the libs to win the seat. Of the two people in the race Roy Moore is the best candidate to help move the Trump agenda forward. If I was an Alabama voter I would vote for him. But I will never think it is reasonable for a 32 year old man to date a 14 year old girl. I don’t care if her mom thinks it’s swell or not. It’s curious he asked the moms for approval, did he purposely seek out girls without a father in the house? He is a flawed candidate but I’m afraid we need him to win.
FYI, we are ALABAMIANS, not ALABAMANS.
Joe6,
The 14 year old’s story has already been shot full of holes, even by her own mother. My point was, do you remember the press asking Charles anything at all about the age difference? No, you don’t,because they didn’t. Because hypocrisy.
Anonymous, I’m not at all surprised that the 14 year olds story has some holes in it. What I’m appalled at is Roy Moore thinking it’s fine to be dating teenagers when he was well into his 30’s, no matter how pure his intentions are. And what is this bullshit he asked for their mothers permission? Where in the hell is dad? He probably picked girls without an at home father because he knew he would get his ass kicked if there was a real father around. I do agree with you on one thing, the media and the British royal family (I hate royalty) is a sorry story.