UPDATE: This is a provocative post. The Cruz camp is saying it’s a stretch to claim they were lying when they announced Carson was dropping out of the race altogether when he indicated that he was going home for “fresh clothes” regardless of how the Iowa Caucus played out. It doesn’t sound like he was announcing he was dropping form the race.
When you’re dropping from the race you say, “I’m dropping from the race.”
But, that’s for others to decide.
Christians (which I am one) are taking offense to my juxtaposition of Cruz’s possible lie with his call for the Body of Christ to gravitate towards him and him alone.
I think it’s a valid juxtaposition, because even without the possible lie, calling for the Body of Christ to rise for him when there are other Christians in the race (Rubio, for one) is… well, that’s for others to decide.
There could be a backlash.
Townhall –
“Just one minute a day. That you simply say father God please, continue this awakening. Continue the spirit of revival. Awaken the body of Christ, that we might pull back from the abyss,” Cruz preached.
What was the lying part?
Carson’s team claimed that Cruz’s campaign deliberately sent emails to supporters to spread false rumors at caucus sites that Carson had dropped out, so his supporters would caucus for other candidates.
“That is really quite a dirty trick,” Carson said speaking to reporters at the end of the evening. “That’s the very kind of thing that irritated me enough to get into this quagmire.”
“To have campaigns come out and send emails to their caucus speakers suggesting that Dr. Carson was doing anything but moving forward after tonight is the lowest of low in American politics,” said Carson campaign manager Ed Brookover.
Carson looks like he is out. Iowans need to know before they vote. Most will go to Cruz, I hope. https://t.co/lW5Js50EMA
— Steve King (@SteveKingIA) February 2, 2016
At least it proves he is not afraid to say something bad about the black guy.
Unlike last time…
That said, there are several times Cruz has gone dirty this election.
Not happy about that, but he is not alone.
I did read yesterday that Carson was heading back to Florida after Iowa, not to New Hampshire.
Who put that out?
If it was Carson’s team, what a McCainian thing to do.
Dumb.
Cruz and Corn. Were does he really stand?
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/26/ted-cruz-wants-more-ethanol-in-your-gas-tank/
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/01/heres-how-anti-ethanol-cruz-beat-trump-in-corn-country/
Dirty tricks.. it’s part of politics.
But you’re either a dirty ticks politician or you’re a Christian above that sort of thing.
Which is Cruz?
Ted Cruz lied about what CNN said about Carson? What did CNN really say then?
Saying you’re not going to campaign in New Hampshire is far, far different from saying you’re bowing out of the race, particularly before the Iowa results .
Personally, I think this was a bit oily on the part of the Cruz team.
No other team interpreted Carson’s remark that way, only Team Ruse, I mean Cruz.
But, let’s let the process run its course.
The truth is CNN did report Dr. Carson was going home to Florida no matter what the Iowa results were. He was “taking a break” from the campaign and not going to Iowa or South Carolina. His next stop was the National Prayer Breakfast. This constitutes ending your campaign, at least any serious campaign. Ted Cruz asked Carson’s supporters to join him. There is no lie, no slime, no dishonesty in Ted Cruz’s statement.
ARE YOU MIKE SHELTON?????????? -bfh
Come on Fur, next you are going to complain of
Cruz’s White-Cuban privilege.
It’s in the chyron in the image above.
Campaign: Carson to take a break after Iowa.
He said he was headed to Florida to get fresh clothes instead of going right to New Hampshire.
That’s quitting? So “don’t waste your vote, vote Cruz, the guy in it “for the long haul”?”
Listen, I’m not making a big deal of this, it’s a long primary.
I’m reporting what happened and wondering if it will have a backlash.
It’s diminished my view of Cruz, to be honest.
I can’t release from my thinking the Billy Sunday campaign style coupled with underhanded tactics.
But that’s me. I’m not telling anyone else how to think.
I think Trump lies when he says he’s religious.
So, which is worse?
Christians Aren’t Perfect Just Forgiven.
Of course the news took it out of context for maximum vilification.
From CNN via Newser: “The press is reporting that Dr. Ben Carson is taking time off from the campaign trail after Iowa and making a big announcement next week,” the email read. “Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted Cruz.”
No. That is not ending the campaign.
Reagan never even went to Iowa.
Did any other camp loosely interpret Carson’s remark and spread the “quitting” rumor to their advantage?
This is all there is, that Cruz’s team sent out a note saying Carson was out after Carson’s team themselves said yesterday that Carson was going home after last night instead of going to New Hampshire or South Carolina. This is now “dirty politics”?
What happened to suggesting that a competitor sleeping around on his wife or claiming a competitor is affiliated to a racist or other such “dirty” tricks being the definition of “dirty politics”?
You know something like what this other candidate said;
{quote}
A few hours after claiming that Republican rival Ben Carson has an incurable “pathological temper” and comparing it to something else he says is incurable — “child molesting” — the candidate escalated the battle, devoting over ten minutes of his rally to attacking Carson’s personal narrative.
{end quote}
So now we have a new definition just in time to slam Cruz, interesting.
And please do not try to make this something that is supposedly not a Christian thing since it was presented as speculation intended to make those supporting Carson take another look after Carson makes the announcement of going home instead of campaigning.
Pathetic is all that can be said for those trying to slam with such silly arguments.
There is undoubtedly no paragon of virtue in this race.
Is there still time for one of us to through his/her hat in? 😉
Ben Carson doesn’t see it that way.
His team is livid.
And if it was Trump’s team that did this there would be Cruz camp people hopping mad saying this was NEW YORK VALUES at play.
This is the part of politics I find so amusing. It’s why I can enjoy this primary because I will be happy with anyone that wins at this point.
The problem isn’t Cruz. The problem is that back door politics as usual is keeping Open Borders Boy Rubio in the race. THAT is the salient issue right now.
Not true. “Carson looks like he is out. Iowans need to know before they vote. Most will go to Cruz, I hope”, is an outright lie.
“Carson needs clean cloths. Iowans need to know before they vote. Most will go to Cruz, I hope.” would have been the truth. Stupid, but the truth.
If your good with a dishonest game plan, thats cool. But be honest about it. This type of stunt is why my support for him is melting
Anonymous. Are you Mike Shelton???
Answer quickly.
There are a lot of “Christians” here who marched under the banner of Christ out in front of Cruz who are now willing to ignore the facts just to get him elected. There’s no interpretation of facts, they are simply facts.
Dirty politics is using ones religion to bludgeon them.
Anti Christian bigots are fond of assaulting Christians for not upholding a level of perfection.
Ignorance of Christianity, as is on full display here, is excusable.
Using a persons religion against them when a lack of judgment is displayed is merely an extension of the attackers bigotry and ignorance.
Christians are human beings, and as such are flawed.
After you become perfect we will credit your religion for that achievement. Until then we don’t attack your religion based on your imperfections.
“He’s a principled, Constitutional Conservative!”
(/s)
So, there will be no backlash.
Question asked. Question Answered.
Cruz can carry on anyway he wants then.
That is good info for Cruz.
I hope he uses every tool, Cristian or not, to his advantage.
I think he’s light years better for America than Hillary or Sanders, so I’m happy.
Baloney.
III Percenter was a new commenter that arrived specifically for the primary season, only commenting on primary posts.
He made the comment above where I ask if he is Mike Shelton.
This is why I asked.
The screenshot is a comment made on another site. It is word for word from a guy named Mike Shelton.
iOTWreport will not have plagiarizers and/or paid surrogates flooding comment sections with cut and paste comments.
Fur, who is the Mike Shelton you are asking about?
For me, the scuzziest part is the
GOOD OL’ SWITCHEROO/JUXTAPOSITION:
“Voting Violation” FRAUD
AND
“Carson is quitting, so vote for me!”
FOLLOWED BY
“Puh-RAISE JEE-ZUS! Hallelujah! Now, pass the collection plate around again, boys.”
The F*cking Tent Hopping Preacher Scam
gets miiiiiighty old miiiiiiiiighty fast.
Doesn’t phase me since, in the big picture, Trump is getting oh say 40 States total. I only hope the “divide and conquer” games of the GOP Establishment don’t hand the nomination (OR EVEN THE V.P: SLOT) to a Rubio or such.
Amen JohnS. It always amazes me how people who know nothing about Christianity except what they see on TV know how Christians should act.
Why does he have such a horrible painful expression on his face? Is he supposed to be praying? Is this the face of an Evangelical praying?
I’m just asking, never been to an Evangelical church.
Since one can’t be both, I think we have our answer.
“Carson needs clean cloths. Iowans need to know before they vote. Most will go to Cruz, I hope.” would have been the truth. Stupid, but the truth.”
I call the “clean clothes” BS. Dry cleaners are still available in every city. He should have someone on his campaign that takes care of such things. I think Carson is out of the picture and he knows it. I’m waiting for the race card to be used by Carson. Cruz may have taken advantage of Carson going to Florida and leaving the campaign trail – I would have done the same thing. Not being dishonest, just taking advantage.
See my comment explaining it.
Unless III Percenter comes back to say he is Mike Shelton I will be banning him. (I doubt he is Mike Shelton. III Percenter is from Texas. Mike Shelton is from Arizona.)
iOTWreport is not the forum for cut and paste jobs from surrogates, or for people plagiarizing other people’s comments.
Geeze. That guy fights like a democrat. Maybe that’s how he won?
You mean facts as they appeared YESTERDAY versus TODAY.
YESTERDAY the headlines were;
“Ben Carson’s New Hampshire PAC staff defects to Cruz”
“Ben Carson Will ‘Likely’ Leave Iowa Early Tonight, but He Won’t Be Headed to New Hampshire”
“Is Ben Carson Dropping Out of the Presidential Race?”
“Breaking: Ben Carson Will not Travel to NH, SC in Weeks After Caucuses; Will Go Home Instead”
Versus TODAY’s headlines of;
“Ben Carson: ‘I’m not going anywhere”
“Ben Carson to Florida to get ‘a fresh set of clothes,’ accuses Cruz campaign of ‘dirty trick’ ”
“Iowa Caucuses: Ben Carson Accuses Ted Cruz of Dirty Tricks”
“Ben Carson invokes Stalin in speech decrying ‘dirty tricks’ in Iowa caucuses”
So knowing what was reported yesterday the Cruz campaign used it to cast doubt. Doubt that Carson didn’t seem to try and dissuade by clarifying their own statement to CNN. Oh, they did clarify it eventually, but only later when they made the claim about Cruz playing what they defined as a “dirty trick”.
If Cruz’s team had lied to or tricked Carson’s supporters through deception than this would be an issue, but that is not what was done.
This isn’t about FACTs because if it were then it wouldn’t even be an issue. This is all about the losers wishing to harm the winner. So in fact it’s just politics as usual for the candidates who didn’t win.
Ain’t ‘choo neva been to a reVIval?!?
I call it the Jimmy Swaggert look. It’s the same look he had on his face when he got caught with the prostitute and begged to be forgiven. Some religions are into emotionalism and some preachers too. It’s stirs up the congregation, gets them ready for the plate to be passed.
It’s the face of false piety, Zonga. The Bible has a lot to say about appearing this way in public. As you know, the Pharisees never wasted an opportunity to display their piety in the streets.
TWO Gateway Pundit articles on this
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/breaking-carson-accuses-cruz-camp-of-foul-play-at-iowa-caucuses/
AND
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/httpwww-thegatewaypundit-com201602breaking-carson-accuses-cruz-camp-of-foul-play-at-iowa-caucuses/
The “kissy kissy” aspect of these two double-teaming to beat Trump is sickening.
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/cruz-and-rubio-look-to-knock-out-rest-of-the-field-140850491.html
Cruz really IS that stupid [HUBRIS?] as to think it…
…when, in reality, given the slightest opportunity, the GOP Establishment would crush him like a bug in a heartbeat to make way for Rubio-ex-Jeb.
This, too, will be in the rearview mirror, eventually.
It happened, it’s going to be interpreted many ways.
If winning Iowa was the entire enchilada it would be a bigger deal.
The stain of not winning Iowa (even though it’s not a winner take all state) is probably worse for Trump than the stain of the appearance of underhanded tactics on Cruz’s part.
Not everyone is going to hear about this issue, nor are they going to care even if they do.
This is a net gain for Cruz.
Carson out???, he came in 4th, even with sabotage.
Clothes, family time and RR, sounds reasonable to me.
From what has transpired from Camp Cruz — particularly, but not solely — in the past week, I know all I really need to know about him and his campaign. He is willing to pull out all the stops on dirty campaigning in order to win. If you think Trump hits back hard on mere verbal assaults, it will be mighty interesting to see what he does to those who mess with the rules in order to game the outcome. He won’t take too kindly to anyone who “thumbs” the scales. And isn’t that what so-called “conservatives” are against, too?
If 3% is magnum he needs to come clean if its not him 3% needs to go anyway.
That is the problem with claiming Christ and campaigning. People hold you immediately to a much higher standard than worldly people. Ben Carson does it well, Cruz doesnt. Ted spent too many years watching TBN.
Most people can be Christian without broadcasting it.
No Zonga. Real Evangelicals do not look like they are having a difficult bowel movement while praying.
I have a real good friend of 28 years who is Evangelical. She’s sincere, does not put on airs like Cruz, does not use her faith to coerce, condemn nor profit. She’s real. I’m RC and we have never clashed when it comes to faith in the Trinity. When she/we pray(s), she is joy filled, not strained.
TO Geoff
I don’t know why folks knock Magnum so.
He’s been a sincere, consistent Cruz supporter.
I’ve rarely found him go overboard (maybe I missed some of his zingers?).
I can agree to disagree with him.
In contrast, there’s “III Percenter” and “truth”…
…the sudden trolling wunderkinder of iOTWr.
Disinformational, childish (but not up to the high puerile, infantile standard the rest of us adhere to!) and multiple posts are their trademarks.
Trump people would look the other way if he was thumbing the scales.
It’s the way of the world. Tribalism.
I’m not uncomfortable with a thumb-the-scales politician, I’d be an idiot to think they don’t do that.
I’m uncomfortable with people not admitting their guy is thumbing the scales.
It insults my intelligence.
Cruz just did it, and he might’ve won a delegate or two, or three or four or five in the process.
Good for him.
Carson speaks of faith often, but he doesn’t have that greasy facade of using God and I appreciate Carson for that.
I don’t even like it when a guy gets a base hit and arrives at first and crosses himself and kisses his crucifix and points to the heavens, as if God is rooting for the Cubbies.
That is taking the Lord’s name in vain in my book, as if God would be taking some sort of interest in a baseball game, or rewarding Christians who put on such a display every stupid time they get on base.
It looks like an effort to outChristian the other Christian.
Calm down guy.
Do I have to haul a cross down the baselines to compete with your gaudy expressions of Christianity?
Cruz suggesting that Christians should rise up for him as the anointed Christian is a little too Jim Baker for me.
It feels unChristian to me.
But I’d still be very happy with him in the White House because he’d be displacing Hillary or Bernie.
My favorite quote: ‘Congratulations to Ted Cruz on winning the critically important primary state that also gave us President Santorum and President Huckabee’ – John Dingell.
Maybe some. I honestly don’t think I would. This is the third instance of Cruz’s camp showing no ethics and no morality in a week. At worst this is the tone Cruz set, at best, I can;t wait to see his cabinet if he is ever elected. He’s making the GOP and the Obama administration look like Saints.
Amen to that. This is why I think religion should be kept out of politics as much as is humanly possible. At best, it is a distraction; at worst, it can be a dishonest attempt to manipulate voters. Remember, Obama presented himself as a devout Christian, but his behavior after being elected has caused many people to seriously doubt it.
A candidate can inform the public of his religion (or the lack of it) when he announces for office, just as he would with other pertinent facts, such as age and marital status. After that, he should run on his platform and his record. If he’s good for the country, then that’s what really matters, not where or how he worships.
I know a lot of people here probably don’t agree with my opinion, but I was raised to believe that a person’s religious beliefs were a private matter, not something to be flaunted about publicly for one’s advantage.
…That is the problem with claiming Christ and campaigning. People hold you immediately to a much higher standard than worldly people…
Aren’t those claiming Christ while campaigning presenting themselves as the higher standard?
P.S. – Just FYI, my reply above was to Charlie, not to Fur. Fur snuck in while I was composing it.
🙂
Fur, I understand what you’re saying and why you’re saying it.
Trust is justifiably broken in the gov’t — we just do not have a rule of law now that applies across the board. Look at the average person’s belief that Hillary Clinton will not be arrested, charged or found guilty of anything she did with her emails. Eric Holder, a guy who is still under a Contempt of Congress order is now using his new job as a pulpit saying that our children “need to be brainwashed every day about gun control in all of our schools.” Lois Lerner was on fully paid administrative leave and didn’t forfeit her fully, tax-paid golden parachute and retirement for obstructing justice. The sternly-worded memos and “BOOM!” Gowdy press conferences just keep rolling along.
The ONLY two outsiders to this bullshit are Carson and Trump. Each of them got into this race in large part to STOP the insanity of politicians running our country into the ground.
It’s not just filthy campaign practices that people are against.
I figured he was a plant. And what about the “Truth” guy. It seems he showed up for the same reason with the same MO.
Czar just guessing, magnum left, truth then 3% show up showering us with links to Cruz plus magnum hails from Texas. If magnum shows up than I was wrong and I hope I am. Many of his comments I agreed with just not his take on Cruz.
Cruz and his campaign “preaching” was too much for me and crossed over the icky line. Who said he sounded like a televangelist?
Ding! Ding!
Exactly.
“Trump people would look the other way if he was thumbing the scales.”
Incorrect. This Christian Trump person would not. Geoff C. and I have talked about that. We agree that wrong is wrong. And it’s a good thing Cruz has his superPAC firewall in place so he can deny knowing anything about the dishonesty of his campaign.
Trump, on the other hand, has his entire family involved in his campaign and their ethics are transparent.
What Cruz pulled yesterday and last week was politics at its worst. There’s no two ways about it. So when the Democrats steal the election I’ll have no sympathy for anyone who winks at this stuff just because it’s “our side.” They’re only trading one set of bad actors for another.
AA, Exactly. These shenanigans make me want a President Trump even more. Somebodies got to burn this play house down.
@Fur, if they were consistent in their praises, wouldnt they give God the glory in all things? If they were consistent they would give God the credit for striking out? Give him the credit for letting Adrian Peterson run over you for the TD? They only give Him honor when they win, not when they place or show. I agree with the Vet, go ahead and put your religion on your application, but you dont need to parade it about like a teenager who just got his drivers license.
BFH, please. When was the last time someone viable openly stopped campaigning in NH before the primary… and finished well? I can’t think of one. If Carson thinks he can pull a Trump (not debating) and not show up in NH, he’s going to lose, like Trump did last night.
III Percenter is not Magnum.
There is real bigotry on display.
The proof is that the others in the race, Trump especially, are not being called out in the same fashion for wrapping themselves in Christ then doing ‘unchristian’ things.
The fact is that expecting Christians to be without sin is not a part of Christianity and never was. fact is that the opposite is true.
Cruz and Trump should be called out for inconsistencies and deception when they occur, but their faith or lack of faith is only relevant to those whose agenda lies outside the issue at hand.
Trump claims to be a Christian. I do not want to see his sins thrown up as an attack on his faith, nor should it be done to Cruz, Carson, Huckabee, etc…
Let’s keep this in proportion, though.
I don’t think Cruz’s “edge” rose to the level where Trump supporters, had he done something similar, would be walking away from him.
I don’t buy that for one second.
There’s a creep factor with this guy and he pushed it with his “awaken the body of Christ” theatrics.
He’s getting annoying….like Palin’s voice annoying.
Exactly what Dirty Dealing, Back Stabbing, Sneaky attempt at voter manipulation has Trump done? Trumps in your face. I don’t see any comparison. Please give me one. Cruz’s campaign is Chicken Shit.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this. To me there is no proportion to bad politicking, particularly since Cruz has completely jumped the shark on the whole “I’m the only true conservative” in the race. It’s not conservative to choose deceit in order to win. Nor is it particularly Christian. And just like obama before him, though it may take years, people will find out the truth. Cruz has already signaled that the only way he can win is by cheating. And it’s too bad, too, because Iowa wasn’t worth it and he might have won anyway.
Agreed — Palin has introduced a big element of politics — the screechy rhetoric, the cliches kill me! — to an otherwise highly relatable campaign.
Woody is right . . . YESTERDAY versus TODAY.
Must Teddy fact check the news now. . . . continuously. . . .
Lest something arises that may put the Trumppeteer’s knickers all in a knot . . .
Cruz needs to go back to being too smart and wonky with the ability to win every argument and debate because of his big brain instead winning using divine intervention.
I liked the guy who could quote the Princess Bride…this new incarnation…not so much.
I took a big chance with my post headline. I realize that. But I had faith that Christians would know where I was coming from with it. It is not anti-Christian whatsoever.
No. The media was saying before the caucus that Carson said he was in need of a fresh set of clothes. That wasn’t today’s reporting.
Nothing changed from yesterday to today that would mitigate Cruz’s email to voters.
If Carson didn’t announce he was dropping out the Cruz email is a lie.
Period.
Cruz massaged Carson’s statement in an effort to grab delegates.
This is not opinion, this is fact.
Stop it.
We’re not stupid. Just admit it.
Having said that, I don’t care all too much that Cruz did it.
I didn’t expect “more” from Cruz.
I don’t hold him in the type of pristine, rarified air, that he sells himself as being in.
He’s just another politician.
If he wins I hope he governs in a way that is palatable to me.
He is not our savior.
Far from it.
He’d sell you out in a heartbeat and then use his debating skills to make it seem like it’s your faulty thinking that’s got you so confused.
…Or even Trump, for that matter. That’s why I quipped last night that “there aren’t as many evangelicals in New Hampshire.” We will see just how much of a chameleon Cruz is when he let’s go with a few mild curse words and tries to blend in with the “folks” of Manchester, Nashua and Concord. On the whole, New Hampshire doesn’t go in much for the Holy Roller Road Show.
You know how some guys can make an edgy comment and the women think he’s charming, and others can make the same type of comment and women think he’s creepy? (And it’s not always based on looks. I’ve seen good-looking guys thought of as a creep, and homelier guys get the big laughs.)
It’s a quality you can’t quite put your finger on.
Cruz, when he evokes God, it doesn’t quite feel the same way for me than when Carson does, or Rubio.
Fur wrote,
“Having said that, I don’t care all too much that Cruz did it.
I didn’t expect “more” from Cruz.”
I and – I dare wager to suggest that – many, many others DID.
SKEEZY ENOUGH.
(but WAIT! there’s more…)
Fur also wrote,
“This is not opinion, this is fact.
Stop it.
We’re not stupid. Just admit it.”
This (the post-action denial, NOT Fur’s comment), from my experience, is a telltale sign of classic psychopathy in politics (be it in the supporters or the candidate). I expect it from Dems…not a “principled” Conservative. Cruz’s *lustre* is GONE.
The fitting metaphor being,
“the honeymood is over.”
😮
AA, are you suggesting that Ted will come out in South Carolina with “I ain’t no ways taahrd.”?!?
😉
“This is the part of politics I find so amusing. It’s why I can enjoy this primary because I will be happy with anyone that wins at this point.”
Looking at past primaries, it seems no matter who wins, I lose,
Cynical? You bet your ass.
Soldier on.
It was Carson who made the issue of the lie (it was a lie) and who was the target. Trying to tarnish Trump supporters, or anyone who sees the dishonest tactic for what is was speaks volumes about you
BFH, meant to thank you for introducing me to a new term: chyron. I had to Google it to verify the meaning, although I was pretty sure of it by its usage in your comment (with no context, it kinda sounds like some kind of mythical beast).
😛
Maybe Carson’s big announcement was going to be pro bono lobotomies for anyone presently in Guberment.
I don’t like it when an athlete, a politician, or anyone else claims to be endorsed by God. I don’t like thumbing the scales, either. But worse than either of those is lying about what you believe politically and economically, and what you are going to do when you get into office. On that last score, Cruz is golden, as far as I’m concerned.
P.S. – I will vote for the Republican nominee.
Reply to Czar — because there’s no “Reply” button under his post:
Yessuh. That’s ‘zactly what A’hm takin’ about. And if he actually starts using the word “folks”, A’hm gonna puke.
And a-g’in, can someone please explain to me how a hard-core, hard-line, socially “true conservative” opens up such a wide lead over a still-conservative, yet populist and no-bones-about-no-amnesty candidate with “entrance polls” putting him 5 points ahead? Come on, we’re talking about the unchurched (nay, atheists) indies and cross-overs in these areas!
Fur: “It’s a quality you can’t quite put your finger on.”
That’s why we have hair on the back of our necks. It’s a primitive response to danger. It’s how we can be amazed at a magician levitating someone, but not believe it.
“Awaken the body of Christ …”
The Body of Christ is neither asleep, nor dead. He sits on His Heavenly Throne, alive, aware, and intent upon the salvation of mankind.
To call upon God Almighty to awaken a second part of His Holy Trinity is blasphemy – or a profound ignorance of Christian Doctrine.
Maybe they decided on the kiss of death….mwhahahahahahaha
(You know, like Pres. Huckabee and Pres. Santorum 😉 )
Oh Tim 🙁
When I read this last night, my thoughts were that he was quitting:
https://iotwreport.com/breaking-ben-carson-will-not-travel-to-nh-sc-in-weeks-after-caucuses-will-go-home-instead/
In a world where quitting is phrased “I am suspending my campaign”, I certainly took the fact that he was going home to mean he was done.
“Trump people would look the other way if he was thumbing the scales.”
This is undeniable! No doubt whatsoever!
The fact is, Trump supporters overlook some many RED FLAGS it is unbelievable.
As a former Trump guy, I overlooked about ten thousand RED FLAGS, but I cannot anymore.
If he gets the nomination I will vote for him and hope I never have to say “told you so!”
“The body of Christ” is also used to refer to the Church…all Christians.
1 Corinthians 12:27
Colossians 1:18
Colossians 1:24
I believe there are a number of Christians who are “asleep” politically.
A few factors I see went into it:
1) (definitely) Iowa is definitely one of the FEW states where Cruz has a “natural” evangelical edge (perhaps Arkansas, too?).
2) (maybe) the polls were intended as a “head fake” to Trump, in the same way when ObamaCare was about to be voted on, and all the reports were how “the Dems just weren’t quite there” when in fact they already had about 6 more votes than they needed…it leaves the opposition (in this case, Trump) with a flase sense of “assuredness.”
3) Since you explicitly asked about the “entrance polls” (AKA harassment), I suspect two factors were at play: A) some folks are easily persuaded, and B) some folks like to f*ck with the press/polls, being “put on the spot” for something rightly private.
One last thought on whether or not Trump would have done something like this or whether his supporters would look the other way:
While Trump had the same opportunity to fool voters, it was only Cruz who exploited the media’s announcement about Carson and proceeded in the face of the truth.
Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. Give to God what is God.
People bought the holy man when they bought Jimmy Carter.
I got jumped when I likened Cruz to Jimmy Baker and said he reminded me of a televangelist. Guess Cruz heard me and he decided to go full Monty on the televangelist charade.
Such drama!!! Such handwringing!!! Dirty, yet legal, tricks that may or may not appear to be dirty. In politics!!! He’s a Christian! No! He’s the debil!!!
This is unheard of!!!eleventy!!1!
Now people are getting banned or something. People are leaving, coming back, leaving, coming back…
Hillary and Bernie would be ROTFL at this.
I’m just gonna ban myself. lol
Have mercy.
Illustr8r — How really brilliant is he to do some of the things he’s done? If he was truly the brilliant statesman that his campaign has painted him as, why would he do such a thing in the opening caucus? I’d be lying if I said I’m mystified. For all his technical knowledge of the law and his use of those skills as a lawyer, he has no experience on the main street side of equation. He may be just too smart for his own good.
Full disclosure, I want Cruz. I’ll take Trump, yet I want Cruz.
If it ends up that the root cause behind all this is Cruz’s campaign running with information reported by CNN, then I don’t understand how anyone could conclude that Cruz himself is ipso-facto a liar.
You know, MJA, I can’t help noticing that whenever there is anything said about the real life problems with Cruz’s campaign, those concerns are characterized as insignificant and just politics as usual and raising any concern amounts to being a rube in the political scheme of things. I don’t like it. I don’t like the implication that I or anyone else who raises real questions about this particular issue is mere hand-wringing and insincere histrionics. This is how elections get stolen. We don’t like it when the left does it, but we can ignore our hypocrisy when the right does it? We don’t like it when the other candidate does it, by we can ignore it when it’s our candidate?
It must have all been just a lot of flapdoodle, then, when the conservatives of this country said they were fed up, mad as hell, and done with lying politicians.
And before anyone says, “Well, you’d excuse Trump!” No, I would not. Besides, Trump didn’t try to fool the voters even though he had the same opportunity. And so did Rubio and the rest of them.
Well…as long as Cruz doesn’t DANCE the “Full Monty” as in the film of the same name…. 😮
To AA
BINGO. That’s why earlier up the thread I wrote “the *lustre* is OFF Cruz.” I’ll be the first to admit that I – “Mister Cynic Burned in the Fed. Gov. Crucible” – and others would have somewhat better expectations of Cruz, but it’s so.
The concern it raises with me is: will this guy (Cruz) become another “Paul Ryan”? I suspect the answer is more and more YES.
And I’m tired of the BETRAYAL.
That’s why I still prefer “Wild Card” Trump. Greatly.
Response to Czar: Yes, I saw your comment. And that is why Trump has such wide appeal to both Republicans, Indies and even disillusioned Democrats. I saw the most disgusting Twitter feed last night; a barrage of vulgar tweets directed at an older woman who had not caucused in Iowa since she cast her vote for Nixon. Mind you, it would be years before he was impeached but apparently Cruzbots thought she should have somehow known about his evil ways because the pile on was sickening. Someone even posted her picture as she was sitting in the caucus and they all laughed like f*cking hyenas at her. THESE PEOPLE ARE EVANGELICAL CRUZ ANGELS? What a load of crap they just fed the people of Iowa. Sickening.
I have been a conservative all my life (no heart, according to Winston Churchill.) The first election I was old enough to vote in, I helped put the Gipper in office. I have never voted for a Democrat in a national office. Like most all conservatives, I am very, very concerned about the direction our country is heading. SO many bad things happening for it to be mere happenstance.
Having said that, Ted Cruz gives me the heebie-jeebies. His father is nuttier than Rand Paul’s – See “Dominionism.” And what is it with all the “Father God” in the prayers? This may play well to the crowd that prefers carpeted amphitheaters and rock bands for a church, but for many Americans, especially the many that rarely attend church (and most Jews and Catholics); this will be a huge negative. His dad and prayers like these are going to be fodder for the Soros attack machine in the general election. I sure as He LL do not want any Democrat to win, nor Trump. As much Rubio concerns me for his Gang of 8 stunt, he’s got my support.
Let me be the first to welcome you to IOTWr, NIdaho. I think you’re a new commenter here.
Would love to hear your thoughts on why Rubio and why not Trump. Stick around as this roller coaster ride continues. 🙂
We used to be Catholics. Until the church decided Gun Manufacturers we not welcome.
Thanks for the welcome, Abigail. I have been a regular reader of this site since it spun off from People’s Cube. But never a commenter.
As for Trump, I do not support him for many reasons. Here are two: A) I am a conservative. Small government, rule of law and all that. B) Mr. Trump is none of that. He is a corrupt plutocrat who does and says anything to gain power. Not unlike the (hopefully) future former Democrat candidate for president, inmate in a Supermax. Trumps’ well stated positions on all issues, political and moral are MUCH more in line with Progressive Democrats, than any Republican I can think of, including Rino’s like Senator McCain.
Rubio is articulate, a regular Cuban JFK, and much more appealing to the uninformed voter that Father God Ted or Herr Trump. We MUST stop the rapid expansion of government, which means someone must win the election who is not Hillary or Bernie.
Why would a candidate announce he was quitting before any of the votes were cast? Spend 25 million just to quit before it begins? Really? Who would believe that was true? And for another candidate to announce it unless he was purposely trying to deceive the voters? IF thats “just politics” then it is truly more of the same BS that I and most of us are sick of.
If you’re going to claim you’re above it all, and better than the rest, then be above it all, and better than the rest.
Charlie — That sounds like the right thing to do, alright. Except that it really hit him where it counts, in the ballot box/delegate count. We’ll never know how much or how little. And those voters who were duped will never know either.
My father was an alcoholic who ran a successful small business for about 40 years; but over the years, he told off hundreds of people. I grew up hoping not to be judged by outsiders based on my father’s behavior. I never judged Rand Paul based on his father’s behavior, and I am not judging Ted Cruz based on Rafael Cruz’s behavior.
thanks for your reply! Well, we’ll have much to discuss 🙂
@ Claudia
That’s how I heard it.
Gollly G Willikers — You’re right to not judge others based on their relative’s behavior. Unfortunately Cruz brings this judgement to himself by making his father a central figure in his own political narrative. He strategically brought this narrative into the public square for inspection. I agree, people should not be unkind to his father, necessarily, but neither should we be afraid to judge exactly the truth of the people in that narrative.
So frustrating to catch some of these posts on a break during work. I can’t read all the wonderful comments, but something did come to mind and I don’t know if it has been mentioned. I swear I heard or read somewhere a couple weeks ago that Carson was being helped or working with the Bush people somehow– might be just a rumor OR perhaps dirty works were in the mix and Carson et al were feeding wrong info to the Cruz campaign on purpose just to set them up. Maybe the Carson campaign is being helped by multiple non-Conservative campaigns. I don’t know, just something that occured to me.
All I know is, if Cruz interprets the Constitution as badly and self servingly as he does the Bible, I want nothing to do with him! I have heard him ascribe to himself scriptures which have only been ascribed to Jesus Christ himself, until I could vomit. Thanks to his false teacher dad, he has a Messiah complex…you really ought to look into Dominionism, our family left our church of nearly 20 years because they took this FALSE path.