Whittle crafts a brilliant video about Islam and then asks Obama supporters, “what’s wrong with you?”
Since Hillary has vowed to continue Obama policy I ask Whittle and all non-Trump supporters, “Just what in the frig is wrong WITH YOU?!!!?
Yeah, yeah, Whittle is brilliant. Sorry, he’s as dumb as he is brilliant if he aids and abets a Hillary presidency.
Yes, the countdown clock is ticking. If one hasn’t yet decided which side they’re on, for whatever implausible reason(s), their intellect is definitely in question. And for anyone who has the public ear and platform to persuade, shame on them. If they are choosing to cause further debate between the choice of Trump or Killery merely as a mental exercise, it’s a very stupid game of chicken.
FUR: Maybe I’ve missed something. You wrote, “…he’s [Whittle’s] as dumb as he is brilliant if he aids and abets a Hillary presidency.”
Where did that come from?
Has Whittle attacked Trump?
I wrote him and asked if he or anyone on his channel backs #neverTrump and Karla(karla@billwhittle.com) responded,
We are not on the never Trump stump and never have been.
Regards,
Karla
So I wonder where you’ve heard that he was? I follow him pretty closely, am a member of old PJ and his new channel so they’re always sending me stuff. I haven’t seen anything at all that would indicate to me he is(or even was) anti-Trump.
Bill Whittle was a solid Cruz guy and attacks Trump constantly. He is the sort that will trash him to say “I told ya so” if it comes down to it, but then again if Trump succeeds he will proudly claim he was never a #NT
LIke most talking heads, he is self serving and hedging. I don’t care for him
@CoD, MM,
I posted Whittle’s speech at the (I think) ’12 Horowitz Conservative (west coast) meeting. In it Whittle said a lot of bold things about what he would do as a Republican candidate for president, but the most memorable was that he would answer the question about the 2A by pulling a gun out of his pocket, etc. He then went on to basically describe Donald Trump as the perfect candidate.
I was aware that Whittle had been initially excited about Trump — as many were — going after Bush and eliminating him from competition, but then started criticizing him — as many did — when it became more apparent he was in it to win it. That was on his old channel, Firewall or Afterburner. So I was curious about where he was more recently. And that’s when I looked up his new channel, Right Angle. Most of RA’s content is subscriber access only, but I found a video of him, Scott Ott and Steve Green discussing Trump’s list of proposed SCOTUS nominees. It was in that video (posted below) that though they all seem to be in favor of Trump’s choices, all three of them spoke in decidedly sarcastic tones about Trump the person.
When I posted that video to the BP, I wrote that I wasn’t willing to put Whittle in the #NT column because I didn’t think he was butt hurt enough to go there, but he came darn close. And because I’m not a subscriber to RA, I don’t know if he is still giving free rein to his speculations. But he better stop sewing seeds of doubt by speculating about Trump’s abilities and motivations or skewing Trump’s views (as he and his associates have) because there are just too many undecideds and still too many #NT’s whose votes we need in November. If he continues to do this, he’s lost all my respect — which has been enormous.
Video of RA SCOTUS discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHDTyAOgTog
Horowitz speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLoYxr8gOP4
BFH posted it the main page a couple weeks ago, too.
AA,
You missed this on what Bill has to say about Trump. Please, for the love of this country and a desire for Hillary not to win please oh please be gracious in your zeal for Trump and your joy that he has won.
You are doing more to push people into @nevertrump than to persuade them to come to you. Leave the name calling to Donald Trump as he takes aim at Hillary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBG6Xds7ifA
I cannot wrap my brain around the accusation that any Trump supporter is to blame for some one not voting Trump while claiming to be against Hillary. Someone pissed me off so I’m going to vote against my own best interests? What sense does that even make?
Thanks very much for reposting, Abigail Adams.
Missed it (with other stuff going on at the home front).
Most helpful explaining the remark.
I bet Whittle’s trying to play the “skeptic” to allow wiggle room…who knows for what reason or what audience.
I’m willing to cut him some slack, until he develops a nasty pattern (unless you or others have already noticed one, and I’m certainly not watching everything).
True, Bill Whittle has voiced some real concerns about Donald Trump, but then again so have I, and BFH, and a whole slew of commenters on this site who will still be voting for him in November. However, he has also said repeatedly that he will support Trump against Hillary Clinton no matter what (see video posted by Pelopidas, above, for an example). Therefore, even if he personally dislikes Trump, I fail to see how anyone could view him as a #NeverTrumper. Also, his idea about negotiating with Trump in order to get him to change some of his less-than-conservative views makes a lot of sense to me.
Just sayin’.
@Pelopidas — I didn’t miss anything. The video you posted is from 1/16, way before the primaries which started in March. If you reread my comment, I said that Whittle (like a lot of people) were for Trump because he was doing the Right’s dirty work again Yeb!, but they started hating on him as soon as they realized he might be a contender. One thing none of the candidates counted on — including Trump, himself — was how wide and deep his message would resonate.
I’m not going to mix it up with you about my zeal causing people to go to #NT. That’s absurd on its face. I honestly don’t have the time or inclination to jolly someone out of their Trump blues. Either you want what he’s offering or you don’t. It’s that simple.
Being gracious about Trump winning? I’m sorry, Pelopidas, but that sounds like PC malarkey. We’re in the final months of who is going to decide the future of this great nation, Trump or Killery. We’re not going to re-litigate the Republican primary. 14,000,000 Americans already decided that.
Aggie & Abigal,
Trump, is a vulgarian who makes insane claims (Cruz is the Zodiac killer or Cruz’s father was in on the JFK hit) and retarded statements like “I don’t care for the term ‘American Exceptionalism”. Or crazy dangerous statements like when he talked about addressing the national debt like he would in the business world and just do a B.K. (when I heard that pearl of wisdom drop from his mouth I actually thought to myself ‘my god! Is Hillary really the less dangerous of the 2?) Then there was the statement that his Stormtumpers love him so much that he could, probably shoot someone at some cross street in N.Y. in the middle of the day and his stormturmpers would still vote for him. (The only thing that is more scary than that is Hillary has actually blood on her hands and her people are going to vote for her). Reviling in the fact that you are surrounded by sycophants is seen as a negative by most sane people.
Regarding people who have honest questions and reservations about Trump; if you want them to vote for Trump, the last thing you do is lash out at them because you are only confirming the reasons they are questioning or have reservations regarding Trump. They may think -my god, if Trump shot some guy in broad daylight, surrounded by reality T.V. cameras and all, it really seems that these troglodytes would really vote for him? How very creepy in an Ernst Rhome kind of devotion way.- In case you don’t understand- that is a deal breaker for a lot of rational people. In fact, now that you make me think of it I am 100% sure that if the election was down between Bernie and Trump I would just pop some popcorn and sit this one out.
But Bernie is out, Hillary is running and I will vote “Not Hillary”. You need to understand that people who are willing to vote “not Hillary” should be greated with smiles and warm hearts- sort of like team player who are on your team. Not someone to lash out against. Save the lashing for the Hillarybots. We are on your side. I remember BHF posting some harsh Mitt posts before Mitt got the nomination but after Mitt got the nomination the target did not shift to the “not Obama” voters but to “Obama”.
Or think of it this way. There was a time in my life that I taught at a private high school. I have students that I have kept in touch with and they have reached out and asked me what I thought of this whole mess. Now, I could point them to places like this and tell them to read my posts but I won’t because I don’t want to scare them with the drunk on Trump Mainades trying to claw the eyes out of people who are willing to vote “Not Hillary” but at the same time express their concerns for the flawed man who is Trump. So I write to them honestly and openly (I should add that it was a religious private school) that Trump is flawed and the only Book in the Bible he could show any familiarity with is the Songs of Solomon but then he would only be winging it by making references to his wife’s GQ photo shoot. Then I stress to them that I think Hillary is the worse evil, the larger threat to our democracy and lay the case that she should be in prison and not the White House and therefore all must vote “Not Hillary”. Do you prefer that answer or “hey boys, thanks for reaching out to me; regarding the upcoming elections- they are both bad so I’m sitting this one out and I think you should to.”? I see a difference between the two messages and oh, if I went the “Trump is Huuuge!” “Trump will do unto America as he did unto the Trump Towers, Trump steak & Trump Mortgage its going to be fabulous”. My boys would think I either had a gun to my head as I typed that or that I lost my ever-loving-freaking-mind. We have to keep it real. We have to keep it honest. We have to call it the way we see it. Good people can disagree on somethings but we all can agree that Hillary must be stopped. That’s the only olive branch you are going to get. You can choose to take it or you can keep pissing and moaning over a nomination that have already won and will piss and moan into loosing the general election.
So, yes, be gracious with those that are willing to vote your way even if their intentions are not as pure as yours. It’s called “good manners”- a concept lost on all Hillary voters to be sure but, sadly it seems too many Trumpets. Save the hostility for the enemy- and that would be Hillary. Keep the message about how bad Hillary is (and you just have to keep to the facts) and you might even convert some @nt. Just a suggestion you may want to think about- that is assuming you want Hillary to lose.
Pelopidas — Sounds like you are the one holding everyone else hostage with your vote. I’m done with it. I’m not running for president; you’ll have to make up your own mind about it.
@Pelopidas – “Then there was the statement that his Stormtumpers love him so much that he could, probably shoot someone at some cross street in N.Y. in the middle of the day and his stormturmpers would still vote for him.” You actually believe he said that? Stop watching PMSNBC.
@VietVet — I hope you see this because I’d like to ask you and anyone else in general a question about conservatism.
But first, your comment seems to suggest that Pelopidas was called a #NT (by me?). The only people I’ve ever said was a #NT were those — mainly in leadership circles — who have come out publicly against the R nominee. And I certainly didn’t call him or anyone else here ‘names’. The thread is about Whittle and the question was asked about his leanings. Also, I think you would agree that you or I expressing our views — even on a public blog — will be less persuasive (particularly given our non-public, online names) than someone like Whittle, who has a large and loyal following. His opinion will have far greater consequences for this race than any commenter here at IOTWr.
But the main question I have is in response to this that you wrote: “Also, his idea about negotiating with Trump in order to get him to change some of his less-than-conservative views makes a lot of sense to me. ”
Two questions, actually:
1. In your opinion what does conservatism mean to you?
2. Which of Trump’s platform planks or public statements on issues does not fit your view of conservatism?
Thanks very much! I would sincerely like to better understand what it is that is not conservative enough about his platform.
~AA
To answer Bill W., ” Nothing ” The real question is why is anyone, given the choices not fully behind Trump.
Bill has attacked Don many times.
Bill is GOP e. His words frequently don’t coincide with his deeds!
@AbigailAdams: I don’t understand how you inferred that Pelopidas was called a #NT by anyone, much less you. If you read it, my entire comment was devoted to discussing Bill Whittle, and the only reason Pelopidas’ name even came up (in parentheses) was to mention the fact that he had linked to the BW video.
To address your other two questions:
1. I am not going to discuss what conservatism means to me here. In order to do so adequately, I would practically have to write a small essay and I do not have the time or inclination to do so. It is late, I am tired, and I get no scholastic credit for it. Plus, no matter how carefully I try to explain myself, someone is bound to take issue with something I say, and now we’re off on another round of micturition contests with skunks, so to speak.
2. I didn’t say anything about my finding fault with Trump’s platform or public statements. I was referring to the suggestion that Whittle made about getting Trump to renounce his past support for things such as eminent domain for the benefit of private businesses (which BFH once referred to as a potential deal-breaker). It’s all in the video, so I’ll let BW explain it. He’s a much better speaker than thee or me.
I hope this clears up any misconceptions anyone may have had about my comment.
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@Pelopidas –
At his point I am a firm believer in Reagans 11th commandment. The people have picked Trump. Constructive criticism is a far cry from petty insults and repeating falsehoods. Whittle, and those like him are poor sports who enjoy taking shots. But they are not actually trying to get to Trump – it my honest opinion they are taking cheap shots at the voters who disagreed with them. They feel superior and can’t let it go. The mask fell off, as pointed out above they are GOPe and have been outed. Smarter people have been able to accept defeat and get behind what the people feel is needed to defeat Hillary and get our country back on track. To trash the guy you claim you will vote for serves no positive value, it’s simply a face saving tactic that is weak and destructive- it’s meant to be. If Trump wins they win and if Hillary wins they win – because knew better than all those vulgarians they look down upon.
AA,
Sadly, I know all to well that my vote is holding no one hostage. I know that we will need every vote possible to off set the @nt crowd.
I also know holding a Spanish Inquisition to determine who is showing the proper level of enthusiasm is counter productive to the over all goal- that being Hillary losing.
My goal, with the people that I personally know, is to persuade them that Hillary is actually worse than Trump. Because I 100% believe that. If that is not pure enough for you what more can I say. All I can tell you is your rhetoric only hardens the resolve of @nt and I don’t thank you for it.
Burner,
How very disappointing. I thought for a moment “hey, was I wrong? I can’t wait to tell all my @nt that Trump did not say he could “shoot someone on 5th Ave and not loose any voters”. Tragically, if you go to YouTube and type in “did Trump say” it auto fills to “he could shoot someone”.
Here is the problem you and AA keep missing- every time you lash out at someone who is critical of Trump you cause that person to think “was I wrong, oh how I would love to be wrong” only to be confirmed that “ah, fart, I had that right and that Trump apologist is nothing more than a Mainade. Then the cycle is “Trump really is a whack job at best fit only for reality T.V. or, what I’m I thinking there is no or… oh, yah- or Hillary.”
To recap- For rational people hearing a person running for POTUS claiming he could shoot someone on 5th av and not loose a single vote- well, that is disturbing. For some it is enough justify their position of @nt because they see this as a sure sign of fascism. If you have any desire to bring them back ignoring what Trump said is not the first step; resolving their concern should be your goal. Example- Yah, Trump JOKED about how loyal his fans were by saying he COULD shoot someone on 5th av and not loose a single vote. BUT Hillary DID let 4 men die (and by the hand of God that number could have been much higher), trashed the Bill of Rights to try to cover up her lie and her followers still follow- so where exactly is the threat of fascism coming from again? (1. identify the concern 2. resolved the concern 3. Hillary is doing the very thing that concerns you for longer and for worse. NOT lashing out at the one expressing the concern and NOT lying to cover the concern- that is how to persuade people to vote Not Hillary)
Burner,
Forgot to add the link of Trump saying he could shoot someone on 5th ave and not loose a single vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBOi7nfrd8k
Just so you know I’m not lost in some MSM spin zone
@Pelopidas — Oh brother. The fact is you wanted someone else so badly that you’re willing to be a thorn in the side of anyone who will listen to you — just like a lot of others. So don’t start in with the “Spanish Inquisition” and being victimized over terrible sounding things like “proper level of enthusiasm.” Like I said a couple of times already, vote for him, don’t vote for him; that is entirely (and obviously) up to you. Frankly, you and people like you who want to persist in being wooed over, who want to be thanked and apologized to, courted and feted and acknowledged as being “principled” and so on and so on and on and on and on — are a pain. You must still be in the ‘anger’ stage of grief over Cruz or someone elses loss; out to get everyone whom you see as responsible for that loss. Make them ‘pay’, make them ‘sorry.’ How that helps Trump win over Killery in November seems immaterial to you. You only want your special needs met and will be in a furor over that until the freaking cows come home.
pelopidas — What exactly is your point in being “right” about the shooting comment? It’s a humorless, leftist talking point. The only way a rational person could (and did) interpret that remark was as a JOKE about the loyalty of Trump’s voters. Could he have used a different analogy? Probably. Now who is being all PC and Spanish Inquisition-y? You don’t mind it at all when it suits your purpose.
AA you make a very good point. Looking for reasons to be offended – usually a progressive trait, is now a common occurrence among those on the right who are glomming onto anything and everything to tarnish Trump.
Aggie — It’s absolutely true! I’m not wasting any more of my time with disgruntled people who are out for their pound of flesh from Trump voters. If they don’t want to back the candidate enthusiastically, they should shut their mouths because at this point they can only cause damage — they can’t have it both ways. And doing so only poisons the well. And, on top of everything else, there are still a lot of hold-outs who fantasize about a convention takeover bid! How anyone who goes around touting their “principled” conservatism could wish for an outcome that overrides the will of 14,000,000 voters who have made their choice abundantly clear, fairly and squarely, underscores their blatant hypocrisy. I don’t know who they think they’re fooling. If they are hoping and praying for a hostile takeover by the GOPe at the convention, they are the enemy — and some of them don’t even know it, thinking they are Saint Principled Conservative. Don’t even get me started on the pearl-clutching Pharisees who use their high and mighty, holier-than-thou-ness, standing in judgement of ANYONE. They talk about the Bible but don’t know what is said about this sort of thing.
Pelopidas – as I’ve said before, you are a voice of reason. Unfortunately, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Your very sane suggestions for how to speak to never-trumpers are ignored because you refuse to drink the Kool-Aid and go all in. It will never be enough for those people just to vote for Trump. See the replies you received above.
I, for one, am grateful to you for your attempts to reason with those (not on this site) who refuse to vote for Trump. As you say, he is our only choice, other than Hillary. But the “storm-trumpers” as you call them, will never be happy with that. It’s just not good enough because you dared to support someone else first. There is no reasoning with people like that.
I think people implying “be nice to me or I won’t vote for “your” candidate” while simultaneously calling people who back Trump, StormTrumpers, or Trumpets, or any other derogatory term, have logic issues.
So, go vote for Hillary, or sit it out, while you whine that I made ya do it because I called you a name, numbnuts.
We didn’t want gays in the military because we thought they’d be drama queens in the face of the enemy.
As far as Whittle is concerned – he made a half-assed support of Trump video nearly a year ago. In that video he puts a picture of Fiorina on the screen and asks, “are there better candidates than Trump?”
He answers.. “far far far far better.”
So in his support of Trump video he said Fiorina is far far far far better than Trump.
He’s gotten wishier and washier since.
This is crunch time
The people who have the biggest platforms, who are “sorta kinda” backing Trump, are standing down.
That’s unacceptable.
If Hillary wins they have not done what they could do given their platform.
Where is the new Whittle video condemning #NeverTrump?
Yes, anyone planning on voting for Trump, for whatever reason, who doesn’t confront #NeverTrump, is useless in our fight against progressivism.
What’s he worried about, insulting his pals who might help his career?
Then there was the statement that his Stormtumpers love him so much that he could, probably shoot someone at some cross street in N.Y. in the middle of the day and his stormturmpers would still vote for him. (The only thing that is more scary than that is Hillary has actually blood on her hands and her people are going to vote for her). Reviling in the fact that you are surrounded by sycophants is seen as a negative by most sane people.>>>
Humor and hyperbole is understood by most sane people.
Trump’s example was poorly chosen in that it would be used by people who would choose to see it as a serious, serious, tongue clucking moment for political expedience.
Ask yourself if you would be thinking of this with great concern if this was a joke made by Cruz 6 months ago.
I think I’ve made my point.
And, before you self-righteously claim that St. Cruz would never utter such a thing, he made a joke on national television about running Donald Trump over in his car.
I live-blogged that appearance and I said the joke was pretty funny.
But, then again, I’m a sane person.
Thank you.
Our debate is over now.
Sorry, Hat, but not quite over. Pelopidas, Trump was repeating what some lefty (non, non-binary, mentally deficient) person had said about his supporters. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet, or watch on google-tube.
Hell yes, the debate is over! Not to put too fine a point on it: If you’re continuing to trash Trump and his supporters you are carrying water for Hillary Rodham-Clinton. Period. You are officially a Hillary Rodham-Clinton supporter. And just in case that confuses you, here it is again: You support Hillary Rodham-Clinton for president and chooser of the next three Supreme Court justices — and that’s just the beginning — no, it’s the ending.
Well, THAT debate is over. Old news to those of us that *get it*.
I wasn’t sure BFH was trying to end the thread…
I didn’t mean it was over for you, Burner. 🙂 It is over for those who have a chip on their shoulder and want to keep on with the Trash Trump lunacy. I think those who are doing that are still in great hope that Romney and the GOPe are going to come to their rescue and install Cruz or someone else at the convention. Yes, that’s still going on, including Cruz and Ryan (it’s clear why neither have given any real endorsement or support to him).
OK, let’s cut to the chase. Some commenters here think that Donald Trump can do no wrong, and that his candidacy is tantamount to the Second Coming of the Messiah (before anyone gets their panties in a wad about it, I may be engaging in a bit of hyperbole here ;). Other commenters simply see The Donald as the lesser of two evils. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle of these two extremes.
HOWEVER, (and this is my point) EITHER WAY, these people are STILL GOING TO VOTE FOR TRUMP! So why are we bashing one another over nuances of levels of support for him?
“I love Donald more than you do.” “Liar! I love him infinitely more and I have a tattoo of him on my nether parts, which I intend to show him if we ever meet, just to prove my greater devotion!”
OK, that was a little silly. But not as silly as conservatives fighting among themselves over something like this. NOBODY benefits from it – it doesn’t accomplish anything except to fuel bitterness and non-cooperation in our ranks. So WHAT if Bill Whittle doesn’t love Trump with all his heart and has made snide comments about him in private (Something a great many of us have done, I might add. No names will be mentioned.)? As long as he supports Trump in the future, that is acceptable to me. Or maybe if we can’t get him to be more enthusiastic, we would rather see him support Hillary Clinton? No, I think we should be happy for all the Trump support we can get, regardless of what motivates it.
Trying to convince people that someone is a perfect candidate is a loser’s game. It’s votes that count, not someone’s opinion.
If this doesn’t make sense to anyone except me, then maybe I just don’t understand politics. I’ve often wondered about that myself.
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If you don’t *understand* politics, that might be a good thing.
Thank you, Vietvet. Your comment stated what I feel, too. I’m never going to love Trump, but I will vote for him and I will encourage others to vote for him.
@Viet Vet — (First, thanks for your reply, above, on the conservatism thing. Sorry that didn’t work out for you.)
The problem and the point is Whittle hasn’t made his remarks in private and he has a big platform, as Fur pointed out, to foment anti-Trump sentiment. So it is Whittle who is causing the trouble in the ranks just as much as Levin, Hewitt and others who are sort of the unofficial media reps for the #NT group. There is still an active underground hoping for a rules change at the convention which would install their own guy. That, I think, is why the ongoing arguments continue here to this day. Those who believe there is even a ghost of a chance that their guy will be crowned the nominee are not going to coalesce behind Trump fully until every option has run out and that won’t happen until July.
What V.V said.
We are all voting for Trump.
I strongly feel we can bring more votes to Trump by acknowledging the valid concerns of those who are @nt rather than creating a cult of personality. That is their fear- just in case you were wondering. I see the danger myself but, as I keep saying: Hillary scares me more.
For the record: I’ve personally accepted the reality when Cruz lost Indiana. Trump won the nomination and that is that. If there were a way to change the rules and ice him out I think the net result would be worse because all of the drunk on Trump Maimades would go ballistic. They may not burn the convention center to the ground but they sure as hell would burn the convention itself to the ground and ensure a Hillary win and that is counter productive to the goal we all share.
Burner- Trump starts off quoting the poll, then goes into how loyal his voters are and then makes the statement about shooting someone on 5th ave. Unless you are arguing the actual poll stated “Would you still vote for Trump if he shot someone on 5th Ave?”. If you are please supply the reference on that. You have no idea how much I want to be wrong about Trump and his more enthusiastic followers and the perception of a cult of personality.
A.A.
To your “The problem and the point is…”
I disagree. I think Whittle & H.H. (can’t speak about Levin because I don’t listen to him) are letting the @nt crowd know that they understand them, understand their concerns and fears and in some cases even share those concerns and cares. This show “empathy”. It creates an environment where dialog can take place. Ideas are shared and seeds can be planted (like “yes, but Hillary is worse”) and you might take a @nt and turn them into a @nH.
That is all I have argued. No covert plans of bringing down Trump with rule changes. If I thought that could happen and would result in a Hillary defeat I would not wast my time reaching out to the @nt to begin with. Trump is the nominee like it or not- it does not matter. What matters is Hillary goes down in the defeated column.
@AbigailAdams: I’m not sure what you mean by that, but Conservatism has always “worked out” for me, as I’m sure it has for you. It’s just that sometimes it’s hard to define one’s philosophy in so many words, and any concept can mean different things to many people. For example, you could ask a thousand people, “In your opinion, what does love mean to you?”, and you would get a thousand different answers. Yet we have all loved, and we all think we know what love means. None of us is ever going to have the same exact opinion on anything, and your views are as valid as mine or anyone else’s.
For that matter, so are Bill Whittle’s. So when Whittle says he will support Trump, it makes me happy, and it should make you happy too. Here’s a video from October of last year explaining what he loves about Donald Trump (and here you thought he didn’t care):
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http://conservative50.com/bill-whittle-donald-trump/
@Viet Vet — No, no. I didn’t mean it hasn’t worked out for you. LOL! I was only saying that your answering my question didn’t work out (for you). 🙂
I’m flummoxed over why some (not you) are always saying how Trump isn’t conservative when, if they only read his positions, it would be very hard to see where he isn’t. And actually some of his positions are more more hard core than many of the other candidates were. Immigration is a great example, I think.
I’ve got my own guesses as to why this is being said and I think some (most?) has to do with the Christian thing. And I’ve got my own opinion of that, too.
I started to explain myself as regards candidate support a long while ago, but decided it would leave me vulnerable to a lot of mocking here.
I am getting tired of it being assumed that my support of Trump is something other than a very practical and well thought-out position. That I’ve also noticed how some of his characteristics are things that I, personally, can relate to and like very much, have turned me, in some minds, into a “sycophant”, a “Trump Lover”, etc. is proof, I think, that as much as conservatives and libertarians cry out for individual freedom of thought and speech, they don’t like it much if it doesn’t line up with their own. And their way of dealing with it is to mock, humiliate and embarrass their opponent into submission or silence.
@Pelopidas — “Cult of personality” ?! Do you think you could be any more completely insulting if you tried? See, that is your issue, not mine. You think that because someone is all in and working hard to get a candidate elected, someone you don’t like — the only inexplicable reason has to be the overpowering “cult of personality”!
Please, I honestly give up. Let’s not go on.
@AbigailAdams: I can definitely identify with leaving oneself open to a lot of mocking here. Hell, not even mocking – pure, unadulterated abuse!
A little history: I have never been big on politics, regarding it mostly as a spectator sport. I started following this site some years back because it was funny, informative, and original. Over time, it has grown to be more political, but I guess that’s OK, because so has American society, plus the political views tended to mirror my own (mostly).
However, I quickly learned that expressing any opinion that did not fit in with those held by certain commenters was subject to intense criticism. I once made the mistake of saying that, regardless of all the evil in the world, I felt that most people were basically good. For that I was called a f***ing idiot. I commented on Ted Cruz confronted by a farmer who appeared to be dumb as a fence post, and was accused by some woman in the Midwest as denigrating ALL farmers. I could go on, but I won’t.
Suffice it to say, I have one (no, actually, several) pieces of advice for IOTWR commenters:
1. Read carefully the comment you are responding to. Do NOT automatically assume that your position is being attacked.
2. Even if the person has a different opinion than you have, recognize that he/she is entitled to that opinion, as you are to yours.
3. Above all, BE POLITE. Why piss off the people who basically share the same views that you do?
Now you know why most of my comments are of the humorous type. Every once in a while I screw up and say what I think in other areas. I almost always regret it.
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P.S. – If you can find it in your heart, be a little nicer to Pelopidas, Remember, he’s articulate and he’s on our side. That’s what counts. In my book, anyway.
I just listened to the speech again(from 2 different sources) and Trump is re-iterating what someone else said (wrote about).
This is starting to remind me of the old Polish joke, the one about a guy that goes into a Polish bar, and while the barkeep is pour him a beer, he asks “Hey, I just heard a great Polish joke. You want to hear it?”
The bartender says “Sure, but before you do, I should tell you something. That guy on your right? He’s the 2 time Polish heavyweight boxing champion. That guy on your left? He won the gold medal at the Olympics last year in wrestling. And that guy in the corner over there? He’s the three time decorated leader of the Polish Special Forces. Now, do you still want to tell that joke?”
The guy replies “No, not if I’m going to have to explain it 3 times”.