BFH Discusses the state of the current republican healthcare bill with C. Steven Tucker – IOTW Report

BFH Discusses the state of the current republican healthcare bill with C. Steven Tucker

Saturday, 24 June 2017, 18:18 BFH Uncategorized 49

We’re up to 5 dissenters- Cruz, Paul, Lee, Johnson and Heller.

Why are they dissenting and what is the prognosis?

48 Comments on BFH Discusses the state of the current republican healthcare bill with C. Steven Tucker

  1. I’ve been very confused over this whole repeal vs. do what we can now debate. I am now better informed and feel a bit better about the bill. Thank you Mr. Tucker!

  2. Maria Bartiromo said the other day something to the effect that “it’s crazy how all the progressives stay in unison. They all have the same talking points and they all back each other up. It’s like they have a conference call every morning.”

    These “dissenters” should keep their mouths shut and handle their difference with the committee. These people are freaken stupid. They’re just adding more fuel to the Libtards flame.

  4. What part of ‘repeal’ don’t you people understand? What part of ‘free market reform’ don’t you understand? What part of ‘sale across state lines’ don’t you understand? What part of “NONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS” don’t you understand?

    If you don’t understand ‘leave us alone,’ you need to FOAD. The only ‘healthcare’ we need is ‘catastrophic.’ All the rest needs to be ‘out of pocket.’ This will slash the costs. But NO, trust it to the government. Slaves.

  5. That was like a hot vs. crazy analysis of the current state of healthcare insurance. Everything online, tv, radio is very polarized. I wish C. Steven Tucker could get on Limbaugh, Levin, et.al.
    Thanks also BFH for this.

  10. You know what would fix this right fucking now?! Make congress live under the provisions of whatever they pass. If President Trump wanted to get 90% of the people behind him he would come out and make an issue of congress having to live under the same laws as we do. Damn, I can’t stand politicians!

  12. I will never waiver from wanting a full repeal of Obamacare. It was a monumental injustice to the American People. It was sold on a series of lies. For 8 years Blackie Lawless poked the American people in the chest, over and over again. With the ACA, it was a slap across the face. The promise and appeal made to voters by many during their respective campaigns was for a full repeal. Man-up and do it.

    I don’t want GOP-Big-Government intrusion into my health care. I don’t want “we’ll keep the good parts of Obamacare and add our own improvements” nonsense. Unless Obamacare is summarily repudiated through a full repeal, then the notion that it’s a function of Government is only validated and left on the battlefield; each successive administration then will “do healthcare” and we’ll end up with Single Payer.

    I’ll listen to the audio later. I’m sure I’ll be put at ease once I see what our side “doing healthcare” looks like.

  13. Congress wasn’t exempted in the Obamacare Bill was it?

    Didn’t Congressional leaders from both parties quietly and gratefully accept the special deal from the administration’s Office of Personnel Management that violated the specific language of the law Congress enacted?

    Suggesting that Congress is not exempted under the House or Senate bill is not a valid argument to support the current efforts to Replace (not repeal) Obamacare.

  14. okay, I recognize efforts to improve the situation. But, when tax credits exceed tax paid, they’re no longer tax credits, but simply welfare, and currently, we pay them to illegals. You would think this blatantly obvious boondoggle could be eliminated, but if you mentioned that, I didn’t hear it.

    Such a scheme SHOULD reduce the cost of insurance for those of us in the individual market, but it will not be cheaper overall when we up the ante on what unkie Sam covers and how much he pays for it.

    With virtually no one in the GOP willing to assert that the policy of fully paying the expenses of fully adult citizens AND foreigners is insanity, the country remains doomed.

  18. csteventucker

    Dude, you need to do a quick Bulletized list of why it needs to be done this way. Quick, Simple, Point of Fact.

    Just a suggestion, and don’t link it, copy and paste it on IOTW.

  20. Joe
    Not my point at all. In a former life I use to win big contract from first tier defense contractor by filtering out the bull shit and getting to the heart of the matter. It works. Usually performed in front of the “Program” and fielding questions after words.

  21. @Bad_Brad & @Joe6pak,
    I think the point is that the roots of Obamacare have deepened since implemented. From my understanding a full repeal will not work because too many health insurers have left because of Obamacare. Our time to repeal and restart has expired.

  22. Case in point,

    “I’m only in favor of full repeal dag nabbit” Snap dentures.

    Bulletized point.

    We can’t do a complete repeal of Obama Care because we don’t have the Fucking Votes.

    Point made, end of story.
    Let’s move on to why we all hate insurance agents.

  23. It’s possible I was misunderstood. What I meant by we need it simple was that if we saw it posted here instead of a link to another site we have a greater chance of seeing it.

  25. And just so you know I’m not trying to insult anyone. I’m not that well educated and was dealing with PHD’s and some pretty sharp engineer types. I know my shit. But I needed to bring the conversation to an equal level. To my play ground.

  26. Yeah, I get the need for simplification. But this can’t get to that. Because the roots have grown into the dirt, a repeal, at this point fucks everyone up (excuse my brevity). Today, the insurance industry is a shell of when Pelosi carried her mega-gavel.

  29. @Bad_Brad I’d love to just copy and paste here but then the arguments I make are just be words without links to prove my point. For example, the point that the Republicans did NOT pass a ‘full repeal’ bill in 2015 (no matter how many times the Heritage Foundation says they did). Without this link > http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442161/obamacare-repeal-lessons-learned-advice proving that they did not, it’s just me SAYING it. You need the links to prove your point. Or for example, attempting to refute the much repeated but totally false statement: “Democrats used Reconciliation to pass Obamacare so why can’t we do the same with only 51 votes like they did?” Without this link > https://www.forbes.com/sites/physiciansfoundation/2014/03/26/a-look-back-at-how-the-president-was-able-to-sign-obamacare-into-law-four-years-ago/#4a5d09f9526b I cannot prove my point. So, that’s why I linked to my site where I can make statements and then link to other sites that keep a timeline of historical events.

  31. I’ve got little good to say about the Senate’s bill…
    …but I *WILL* say that, once again,
    Cruz is merely “moral posturing”/grandstanding
    on something he’ll have little-to-no impact on.
    BOR-RING.

  32. My simple explanation is either we let loose the legislation and create a capitalist environment for private insurers to create a profit market with much more choices or it’s single payer-government health care. That’s where we are at. like it or not. We’re to far into Obamacare to go to repeal. Repeal what? My premium? My deductible? I’m under contract.

  33. CST. So if I understand correctly, the House bill included 3 phases, (whereby free market competition across state lines was Phase 3), is not a part of Senate bill? i.e. insurance companies need the CSR subsidies (until 2020) to come back to the individual marketplace.
    Is there any provision in senate bill that addresses free market competition after 2020 CSR ends?
    TY

  34. Steven,
    You are linking historical events to justify the present. I’m totally on your side. You’re better at this then I am but I think a clear bulletized plan from here forward would go big. I’ll shut up now.

  35. Engleburka, that would require repeal of the McCarron Ferguson act which would require 60 votes. So, it’s not in the House or Senate bill. The hope is that once the taxes (funding mechanisms), and the mandates on individuals and employers are repealed, enough Dems would join us in passing more legislation to help revive the health insurance market. Legislation that is non budgetary in nature like repeal of McCarran Ferguson. That’s what “phase three” im the House bill was supposed to accomplish.

  37. “The hope is that once the taxes (funding mechanisms), and the mandates on individuals and employers are repealed, enough Dems would join us in passing more legislation to help revive the health insurance market.”

    And when they refuse?

    They have the best reasons to refuse to go along that leftists could want: outrage, spite and their best shot at regaining power. They’ll make it about their beloved puppet god Obama; lie that old people are already being killed by Republicans (Clinton’s already teed off on that one). They’ll continue to lie, all over again. Sanders, Clinton, retarded celebrities and the rest will join in. The media cacophony will be unprecedented. They’ll use it to re-energize what’s left of their base.

    The R’s will have EVERYONE pissed off at them and of course that will splash over onto Trump.

    Then, in 2018…sayonara.

    Sorry, I’m a worst-case scenario kind of guy but I think I’ve earned it.

  41. That was a good interview! I’m closer to CSTuckers viewpoint than I thought. I like his interviews better than reading his articles because he clarifies his statements. We all agree this is just BIG GOVT.
    Quick question why hasn’t any Republican brought a bill up to replace
    the McCarron Ferguson Act? I understand it takes 60 Votes but at least we would know who really wants to fix healthcare and their votes would be recorded!!!!!!Just an idea.
    Good interview BFH.

  42. I’m not really buying the idea that if we give insurers a hundred billion, that will restore the individual market. The insurers are not defunct, they just find no opportunity in the individual market. If they are paid to serve that market, they’ll remain only until the gravy runs out, then they’ll exit again, and wait for another offer of gravy. The only thing that will bring them in to stay is a set of circumstances that offer an opportunity for profit. As long as Government is restricting what they can charge, and what they can sell, there will be no such opportunity.

  43. Grool, they can indeed refuse. That is why Senator Cruz initially called the “Bucket Three” the “Fantasy Bucket”. He may well be right. That said, I do believe there are enough Democrats who will be willing to negotiate once Obamacare is effectively dismantled. The question is, when Reconciliation is all we have to use, how much of Obamacare can we effectively dismantle and how long will it take? Therein lies the problem.

  44. Tsunami, it does indeed in the following ways:
    Mandate on individuals to buy health insurance using the threat of I.R.S. penalty REPEALED
    Mandate on employers to buy health insurance for their employees using the threat of I.R.S. penalty REPEALED
    Tax on health insurance REPEALED
    Tax on employee health insurance premiums REPEALED
    Tax on health insurance plan benefits REPEALED
    Tax on prescription medications REPEALED
    Tax on OTC – Over The Counter – medications REPEALED
    Tax on Medical Devices REPEALED
    Tax on Chronic Care REPEALED
    Tax increase on Medicare REPEALED
    Tax on tanning REPEALED
    Tax on net investment REPEALED
    Tax on Health Savings Accounts REPEALED
    Tax on Flexible Spending Accounts (where contributions are limited) REPEALED

  46. Barky Obuttwinkle, The ONLY way health insurers are EVER going to come back to the individual market IF government forces them to cover preexisting conditions with no waiting period, no ability to underwrite and charge more for the chronically ill is with HUGE cash incentives. Otherwise, it’s a losing proposition. Think of it this way. If the government all of sudden mandates that all consumers could purchase CAR insurance AFTER they wreck their vehicles would State Farm jump into “Government Run Car Insurance” without a HUGE cash incentive? Not a chance in hell and with that analogy, I rest my case.

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