Now that we know the nature of the shoe that the Obama Administration intel and law enforcement appendages were using to try to stomp out the candidate most opposed to them, what now if the same hobnailed boot was applied to them?
John Nolte asks just that question, when he speculates about how the establishment would have reacted had Hillary Clinton been subjected to the federal powers wielded against the Trump campaign. Here
Kurt Schlichter openly questions if we can even have a republic anymore when one side seems so comfortable with the application of tyranny for their side. Here
In case you haven’t noticed yet, we’re in a bad place now with the nature of our own government and the corrupting temptations of nearly unfettered absolute power. The democrats are in the worst position of all, though they don’t seem to realize it in their slavish defense of the wrongs done by the past administration.
If they are going to argue that what was done to the Trump campaign during the election when they controlled government was justified and perfectly legal, how are they going to argue against such treatment being applied to their candidate by the current government? If they start clambering for reform of our intel and legal institutions, that would be an admission that the previous administration had abused the powers invested in them.
For the rest of us, while enjoyable as it would be to have swamp-sucking democrat elites subjected to the same abuse they were so willing to apply to their opposition, what ultimately becomes of the republic – the nation of laws? Will we even have one anymore when it becomes standard practice for the party in power to utilize the government’s instruments of intrusion and deception to undermine, discredit and ultimately destroy those that oppose it? And what happens the next time after that?
“And what happens the next time after that?”
Anarchy.
Force them to sit down and watch the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw3CjoJIIbY
It’ll teach them that a real clown has feelings and consideration no matter how hard life has kicked you to the curb.
But seriously, they need to chill town man and learn to believe “elections have consequences!”
Whaa?
“If they are going to argue that what was done to the Trump campaign during the election when they controlled government was justified and perfectly legal, how are they going to argue against such treatment being applied to their candidate by the current government?”
The Trump administration isn’t going to behave that way. And we can fix a lot of the problem for the foreseeable future if we successfully can put Trumpians into place in Congress in November and do some perpwalks of the Obama/Clinton bureaucrats and Bush CIA Deep-Staters.
“And what happens the next time after that?”
With any luck, and the power of prayers, the “defenders” of the myth of Muh Constitusion! will be Waco’d.
So the generation after that, there’ll be one less “But let’s try this thing that’s failed every time we were allowed to do it before.” Again.
Sedition and treason cannot be tolerated by any group, particularly elected and appointed officials.
Prosecution !
I think it comes down to the following trade off.
How many prosecutions and imprisonments will be enough for you that you’d be willing to support the reforms and restrictions up the current and future presidents to prevent these abuses?
Would Comey, Clapper and Brennan be enough? How about Lynch, Yates and Power? Would you have to see Hillary and Obama prosecuted, knowing how the left would play off the victimhood for generations, before you’d be willing to keep these abuses of power from every happening again?
You can’t / won’t be offered both, maximum justice and maximum reform – but perhaps there’s enough of each so that we can perhaps have some safe-guards to go back to being a nation of laws.
The left had better pray I’m never given the reigns of the IRS.
Tar, I want them -all- perpwalked. All the way up to Clinton and Obama and his WH admins. And the media leak recipients. And complicit Congressers. EVERYONE who was connected with a conspiracy to overthrow the elected presidential administration.
“Reform” is meaningless without consequences. “Reform” in practice only means more laws. Unenforced laws are useless.
Less than fifty people (if they are chosen carefully) shot in the head tonight would correct the course of liberty in the US for the next fifty years.
Barring that level of commitment, in my opinion, tyranny from the leftists will rule this country in less than ten years. And those couch sitting, internet commenting, conservative radio listeners (like me) will still be commenting on just how terrible all this is when they finally get up the courage to employ the power of the federal government to imprison or kill us all.
Governments do have quite the history of killing their citizens when they really need it. Not like it would be unusual.
@Janitor
I’m starting to think that they only way we are ever going to prosecute, much less jail even the heads of the agencies is to threaten to do noting to reform the executive branch and promise to subject democrats to the standard of treatment Obama’s administration did to their opposition.
I think the D.C. swamp is that incalcitrant and corrupt that only by threats of subjected them to such foundational destroying levels of big government power will we get any trials or sentencing.
@Lowell May 24, 2018 at 7:55 pm
> Less than fifty people (if they are chosen carefully) shot in the head tonight would correct the course of liberty in the US for the next fifty years.
No. For two generations you’d need an extremely carefully engineered hundreds — just call it a thousand (The United States has a population of over a quarter of a billion). And the ability to assemble enough people to commit that act, without preventing the commission of that act, singular, really is a practical impossibility. Think: rolling your palm over the number pad, and having the phone connect to the Pope’s private line — yeah, it could happen… but really? Which means, if you’re dedicated, a very, very bloody “march” to finish the “job”. With many, many hundreds (at least) more killed along the way — for getting in the way.
And… yet. That wouldn’t be a “correction of course”. It would be a respite. A gust of wind beneath the plane that’s already lost its engines. A “do over” — to reset the same system to the same state it was in, at a previous time. Which will yield… what? (You know the answer, already.)
If you (the figurative “you”) think that level of “genocide” is worth the rewind to replay it brings, then you believe. If you (the figurative “you”) think that level of “genocide” will result in a different outcome when it runs the same course, again… well… that’s not really “thinking”… is it?
From Anon: “And… yet. That wouldn’t be a “correction of course”. It would be a respite. A gust of wind beneath the plane that’s already lost its engines. A “do over” — to reset the same system to the same state it was in, at a previous time. Which will yield… what? (You know the answer, already.)”
I think the “respite” would last longer than you perhaps think. The sheer level of horror this would impart to the faction it was done to, in this day and age, and most especially in this country, where they believe the most reprehensible behavior has no consequence… yes, this would seriously upset their world view. All of a sudden, words and actions have consequences. Something quite novel in their experience.
They wouldn’t and couldn’t know when it might happen again. And next time it just might be their sweet ass.
With our current legal structure, I certainly cannot advocate such a course of action. The penalties would be almost as harsh as those levied against those who stood against the Crown when we were a colony.
Those who grew tired of a government they weren’t able to participate in, that grew ever more intrusive into their daily lives, kept finding new ways to tax and levy, and, oh yeah, was attempting to disarm them.
“If they are going to argue that what was done to the Trump campaign during the election when they controlled government was justified and perfectly legal, how are they going to argue against such treatment being applied to their candidate by the current government?”
Easy. They’ll simply complain, deny, obfuscate, lie, and misdirect as usual.
@Lowell May 24, 2018 at 9:53 pm
> Something quite novel in their experience.
Yes. But the first time you crash the car while you’re drunk, doesn’t sober you up. Even if it causes you to stop drinking… for a while (which it rarely does).
> They wouldn’t and couldn’t know when it might happen again. And next time it just might be their sweet ass.
That is, actually, more likely under the current “lawless” system. Government excludes the nomenklatura from the law, by law. The rest “not bribe” as best they can — until the no knock in the night.
i would hope that after a bunch of people are arrested (and the purge and arrests continues for years) people would see the light and keep a close eye on things. I’m sure it would decay again gradually until it reaches this point again but shooting a few of these bastards would certainly make a point.