I received this e-mail update from the producers this afternoon-
We wanted to bring you some very exciting but also very worrying news. The Gosnell Movie is on the verge of being in the top 10 of all US Movies this weekend. According to box office estimates we are just $8,000 behind the number 10 movie.
If we have a small spike in ticket sales today or Sunday then we will be in the top 10 of all movies in the US. This is a statistic that will force the mainstream media to end their refusal to even cover the film.
So please don’t put it off – don’t plan to go next week. We need you to go today or Sunday to help boost the weekend numbers and get us into the top 10. You can find a theater near you on our website. If you can’t get to the movies, go online and buy a ticket anyway – we need a bump in the numbers.
Last night we received a phenomenal report about the whole audience spontaneously starting to pray after a screening in Kansas City, Kansas. People have told us of spending 10 minutes in their car, thinking, after they left the theater. Check out the Gosnell Movie Twitter feed to see similar stories. If you have a story to share please go to the Facebook page or Twitter. We want to hear from you.
You are a 30,000 strong army that made sure this movie was made and destroyed the mainstream media cover up of this case. If each of you bought a ticket this weekend we would not only be in the top 10 but would probably debut at number 7 which is practically unheard of for a small independent film like this.
So please go see Gosnell Movie this weekend or go online and buy a ticket or get all your friends to see the movie with you. With your help the silence and cover up will stop and the truth will finally get out.
Thank You
Ann
Phelim
Magdalena
P.S For all of you asking about the DVDs, those will be produced and distributed in 2019, as soon as the distributor allows. We are sorry it has taken so long, it was not our intention. You know how tough every part of this movie has been, please don’t lose faith in us. You will receive your DVDs.
i refuse to see this movie for reasons different than non-support of its success
OK, seeing this movie just moved from the “soon” list to the “tomorrow” list. It isn’t showing at any theater in Sarasota County, but fortunately it IS showing at a theater just over the line in Manatee County, about an hour drive maybe a little less. Showtime: 2:05 p.m. Sunday.
I’m going tomorrow. I read the book. The Ministry of Truth is avoiding this like they did the real trial and crime.
I’ve see the movie today, it is a must see for every “Believer in the Humanity of a Baby maturing in the womb”, and those who might not.
Beyond seeing the movie at the theatre, it is important for forced birthers to buy the DVD and watch it once a week — every week! — lest their commitment to female slavery wanes. Repetitive memes *do* succeed! …..Lady in Red
Harrmann Glockler those who don’t will not watch it. Can’t have them seeing those little bodies then it makes them real. They’d rather live in their stupid, evil world that says it’s just an inconvenience not a life.
While speaking of a life then they will also see it’s not always so easy physically or mentally for the women who believed the lie.
Hideous Skank!
Just purchased 9 tickets in Tampa. if anybody is in the area.
Tried Houston and they were sold out for all shows sunday.
Note this review: http://www.trevorloudon.com/2018/10/gosnell-movie-a-context/
Went to see it tonight. It was very enlightening. The guy they had playing Gosnell was really good. He gave great psychopath.
Well written, acted, and directed. Not at all what I generally expect from an indie film.
What a shock, the movie isn’t even listed on Rotten Tomatoes when you search by ‘Top Box Office’. You literally have to type the title of the movie into the ‘search’ box to find the reviews and where it is playing. Surprisingly to me it actually has a 67% critics rating. Unsurprisingly it has a 100% audience rating.
Think I’ll drive to Pinellas this afternoon. Closer to mr than any of the Tampa locations. Not sure I can bear to see it but I can still buy tickets.
Ban Witch in Red, please.
Ah, Grool, that champion of free speech….. ….headed straight to his own private lake of fire and hot coals.
(And, the dolt will never understand what he did wrong…) …..Lady in Red
Ah LIR, always lurking. When you can successfully explain how killing unborn females is so much better than your so-called “forced birthing” of females, that will be an amazing feat indeed.
Anyhoo, the movie is not playing any where near me yet, but I just bought a ticket. 🙂
Aunt Liz…. I do *not* support “killing unborn females” at all. I support — with as much care and kindness as possible — not allowing unwanted, unloved babies to come into the world. …..Babies who will be abused and tortured, neglected, unloved. I happen to think that abuse is wrong. ….Lady in Red
The godless always assume the prerogatives of God. The power of life and death over other humans is irresistible to them.
Better half and I will be going today.
I think I’ll buy an extra ticket for Lady in Red.
My daughter and I have tickets for this morning and my parents, sister and her family will be driving over 90 minutes to see it this afternoon.
LIR, you may have deluded yourself, but bottom line, if you support abortion, then you support the killing of the unborn. You can disagree all you want, but that’s the end result. You decry the suffering of the “unwanted, unloved” babies, but your way doesn’t even give ’em a chance. Quit sugar coating it. No one buys it.
Lady in Red — I’ve tried to understand your viewpoint and your phrase “forced birthing.” You’ve contributed so much to other topics here, but I can’t reconcile your phrase “forced birthing.” In your own words, you are passionately against women bringing children into the world who would be neglected and abused. By that statement, I have to conclude that you do at least agree that those aborted in the womb are children (babies) and not a “clump of (random) cells.” (Frankly, I think if abortion advocates would think more carefully about that defense, they’d realize that the only “random” clumps of anything produced by the female human body would be tumors or “growths” — cancerous and benign. The body doesn’t produce living tissue that is *random* aside from that. A growing baby is neither a tumor or, say, a skin tag.)
I’d really like to have that debate with you, LIR. For now, though, I’d just posit that your “forced birthing” sounds like a carefully chosen phrase to elicit sympathy for pregnant women who want to choose an abortion. And the kindest of all things one can do for so-called “unwanted” children is to kill them. Unfortunately, those same children will not be around in the future to thank you for your kindness.
The woman who has been rescued from that horrific “forced birthing” is left whole and generally unscathed (we’ll leave the condition of her soul out of this for now); while the child who made that possible for her is now dead with no future at all. I’d like to know how that is a fair trade. A *small* sacrifice, indeed.
The answer to the problem is for women to take responsibility for their pregnancies. Birth control is so ubiquitous in our society, it’s hard to watch more than five minutes of tee vee without seeing an ad for it, in some shape or form.
Giving birth is as close to a super power as any human being will ever have.
And as spider man famously states. “With great power comes great responsibility.”
Abigail…. Believe me: *I* have tried to understand the fascism of the right, on this matter. I don’t care: call “it” a baby, if you wish; I don’t wish to debate that; what I contend is that — for some reason — the woman doesn’t wish to birth it and the baby will be unloved and, most likely, live a life of hell on earth until….
Claudia posts wonderful pics of animals each Sunday, puppies and kittens. But, we know it is kinder and more humane to euthanize the overpopulation of unwanted animals. Allowing them to live and roam and suffer with disease and lack of food is not a kindness from God; it is cruelty.
But, when it comes to humans, the right goes all irrational. I would not matter so much if it were a private family matter — forcing your own daughters to birth unwanted children. Presumably, you’ll pick up the slack in the infant’s care.
What galls me is the imposition of *your* values (which obviously are not held by all) on those who do not believe as you do. ….which comes back ’round to fascism.
Fur calls it murder and without argument. I’d say self defense or justifiable homicide, perhaps (if we have to get legal about it). Do we “murder” unwanted animals, or do we cull them?
Living in harmony with all God’s critters, including man, us’ens, requires a humility, not an arrogance, about our importance, which the conservatives too much elevate to self-importance. I don’t think God likes that.
This is the short version. ….smile…. I just hope I’ll get a couple of folk to move away from their self-certainty to a bit of self-doubt and greater understanding of other’s perspectives. ….Lady in Red
PS: Again, if yours were a personally held conviction imposed only upon your family, it would not bother me so much as the right’s need to force all women to birth, all times, all ways. No excuses.
PPS: I made up the term forced birthing and I wish more folk would use it. It is more accurate than the vapid, wimpy phrase pro-life. Hell, *I* m pro-life, as appropriate.
The reason for doing it is irrelevant.
Justified murder is still murder…
And there is such a thing as adoption, you know?
I have known a couple of very sweet woman, who would make excellent mothers, but can’t conceive.
Unwanted babies go to people like this.
Maybe all of them won’t, some will have a tough childhood. I had a tough childhood, too many kids, not enough money. Mom and dad never payed attention much after the last two were born.
(7 kids total)
But if I didn’t have my two precious and unplanned younger siblings on my life, my difficult childhood would have been much darker, and the world darker right along with it.
Every single human has the right for a chance to live. Hard circumstances or uncaring parents be damned.
My dad’s parents were unloving, but he survived, still had dinner with em, he grew up and was kinder than them.
Just because the parent could be a bad person doesn’t mean that the child doesn’t deserve life. That’s an evil way to view the world.
Let me share a story about people I have known in my life, one had an abortion, the other backed out at the last moment.
Both were not married and both of them had sperm donors who wanted the baby killed. The first one who murdered her baby went into a deep depression, she turned to alcohol and drugs to try and kill the pain of knowing she murdered her child. She eventually came to the conclusion she could replace the dead baby with another baby. She had another loser sperm donor who wanted the baby killed, but she had the baby and raised it on her own. Her child wasn’t abused but he also didn’t have the best mother because she was screwed up because she could never live with murdering her child. Almost 30 years later she still has mental issues all a result of murdering her child.
The second one who told everyone she was too young and she didn’t want the baby because she couldn’t raise the baby, a baby would ruin her entire life, backed out within seconds of her baby being killed. She said the entire time she was pregnant that she was giving the baby up for adoption. Once her baby was born though she knew she could never do that and she gave that baby the best life she could offer. She couldn’t provide the baby with all the finer things in life, but she provided her with all the love a child could ever desire. She’s an adult now with her own family along with an adopted downs syndrome baby that she saved from being aborted. She works with young girls and helps them to see there is another way whether they want to keep their babies or give their babies to loving families.
If her mother had killed her she would not have been able to give the love to her own kids or give a life to a sweet little downs syndrome girl and she would not have been here for all the young girls she has helped get on their feet and be able to know the joy of loving and raising a child. She would not have been here to help girls not to have to try and live with murdering their child and neither would many babies be here to have a life. Families who could not have kids would never have been given a chance to give a life to these unwanted babies.
Forced birthing is not some cute phrase to make someone think, it is probably the most ignorant phrase I have ever heard and I have some ignorant shit over the years by liberals in favor of murdering babies.
These babies are also murdered in the most horrible way of all, watch an abortion, many videos on youtube showing them. Let’s take a big suction tube and pull your arms and legs off and see how humane that is. Let’s crush your skull and see how humane that is.
Great movie. It does seem a little tame, a bit Hallmark channel. Wish it could have been more realistic.
I know the producers wanted to make it family friendly, but given the times we live in – families are watching “Venom”, btw, it wouldn’t have been a real problem to show the gritty, horrific, nauseating reality of abortion. Still, a movie worth seeing.
The forced birther has hijacked another thread. They get off on any attention – good or bad. They will never change their evil, twisted, psychotic wiccan message. Someone has serious issues. Don’t waste your time.
As a suggestion, speak to the people who mighr be misled by the demented ideology. That will do a world of good.
No, no, Squad Leader! *You* are the fascistic forced birther, screaming that all must conform to your rules.
*I* am the advocate for love, tolerance, understanding and compassion. There is a big difference. ….Lady in Red
99th Squad Leader, I agree to a point, but I also don’t think they should be able to write such ignorance without the truth also being shown.
I flirted for awhile with Libertarians until I realized they are pretty much Progressives who don’t like taxes and do like guns. I know it was a waste of my time to point out to them even if you take the horrible truth out of the equation and you take morality out of the equation, Roe V Wade is not Constitutional. Abortion like marriage is not in the Constitution, so therefore is left to the states. The short version of my discussions with them. I didn’t have the public discussions with them to convince them though, but for those who might be on the fence about Roe V Wade and gay marriage.
@LIR- “*I* am the advocate for love, tolerance, understanding and compassion. ”
I’ve read your contortion of language and reason, regarding ‘forced birthing.’ And now you claim to be ‘loving.’ I can only imagine what that term boils down to mean to you.
Also, you wrote- “…Hell, *I* m pro-life, as appropriate”
And conveniently, you would then proceed to define or determine what is appropriate life, even willingly extending that service to others and for their ‘forced’ benefit, I would presume. I contend that if it is your belief that some life, by your reasoning, is apparently _not_ appropriate, you should have a conversation with a qualified individual to help you understand what underlies those distorted thoughts.
Just an opinion; not intended as bait.
No, Toby. *I* leave decisions such as this up to the principals involved. *I* don’t think that it is God’s will that a baby lie dying in a crib covered with feces and piss, slowly starving to death, wallowing in its own vomit, unless perhaps, put out of its misery by someone, annoyed at the crying, flinging its tiny skull into a wall.
*Your* idea of love is just to spit the kid out of the birth canal and, then, the poor thing is on its own, given its own “chance” at life. Your responsibility is over.
*I* think that is sad, irresponsible and very much against the wishes of a loving God.
…Lady in Red
LIR — Puppies and kittens aren’t human beings. But even if one were to accept your argument, I find it seriously hypocritical that today the common sentiment held almost exclusively by the politically Left-leaning among us is that animals have the *right* to life. They believe this so strenuously they are willing to cover up the so-called “crimes” of animal rescue and other shelter outfits that euthanize (not tear them limb from limb) animals they can’t find homes for. The same way in which they have tried to cover up the crimes of Kermit Gosnell’s serial murders and the fact that Planned Parenthood covers up rape of under-aged girls.
Have you done a search lately on the internet for animal/pet adoptions?! There are more organizations than you can shake a stick at! I guess babies and children are just so much harder to raise and require mature love and attention. If animals give us grief, we just take them back to the shelter or give them to a stranger. Your puppies and kittens argument fails the test, LIR.
LIR- It is interesting that, along with an ability to determine what life is ‘appropriate’, you also have the powers to determine my thoughts or beliefs. Erroneous, you are.
I would like to point out your consideration of the concept of ‘responsibility.’ And therein lies the foundation of the whole problem- a failure to take responsibility for one’s actions. Actions have reactions, or consequences. That is a universal law, found in all religions and belief systems that I am aware of. Abortion is an attempted circumvention of that. We are admonished ‘thous shalt not kill,’- can you lead me to one citation that promotes doing otherwise to life in the womb?
Your imagery suggests you are troubled, though it is not clear why. But I do encourage you to gain guidance.
Is it more ‘appropriate’ to abort a viable fetus/baby (that is capable of sustaining life out of the womb, and also feels pain), than to kill an infant by “flinging its tiny skull into a wall.” ? I would like you to explain that balance of your ‘compassion ‘ and ‘loving.’ Have you ever done such a thing?
Nah, Abigail. I see loons on all sides of the political spectrum. We are *all* God’s critters and should be treated with love, kindness — and respect! (I always admired American Indians who said a prayer over critters which they killed for food.)
Mostly, you folk on the right have a lot of things correct. However, that doesn’t mean I march lockstep when I see something as wrong as *fascistic* forced birthing!
Eventually, you will all lighten up. Or, you won’t. …smile… …Lady in Red
Nah, Toby. This thread is getting “long of tooth.” …smile…
I am not “troubled” but I will accept your admonition about “gaining guidance” in the spirit in which I’m sure it was offered.
I guess I have more respect for female forced birthers than for the men. However, *all* female forced birthers have had positive experiences with children. The men? If push comes to shove, you can just hop on your horse and ride out of town. Worst case? You have to mail a check for $50 every two weeks.
I wish the forced birthing community would read more broadly, beyond the Sunday indoctrination sermon. They don’t, won’t. Like the story from ORWW, they have a “personal story” which may or may not be true. By the time it is polished, it fits and suits its purpose, regardless reality. As long as “you” steep only in that teapot you will continue to spout the memes when called upon to “pour.” It doesn’t make your thinking correct — or useful — however. ….Lady in Red
Roe V Wade
In its ruling, the court recognized for the first time that the constitutional right to privacy “is broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy” (Roe v. Wade, 1973).
The constitutional right 45 years ago was settled during which in my own lifetime have learned of from both perspectives.
1 of those has never been known, having not being informed or discussed about. The other 2 , I have had many conversations with.
Being that it is a constitutional right for a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy, I’ve known how heavy the decision has mentally weighed to this day on these 2 lifelong friends, and always will. The other friend past away years ago.
It’s left up to a personal decision to decide and mentally deal with.
Not saying one way is best or better. That hits a self moral that only time will tell be.
Accept the constitutional right or not. Men were taken out the law and that’s the way it is. That was the basis of Roe V Wade.
The personal choice is the only issue, however how later in life, the choice is mentally dealt with.
It’s kind of ironic AA that arguments are made on the humane way to put an animal down, but nobody in favor of murdering babies wants to discuss how the hell it’s humane to rip a baby apart.
Those babies that are abused if proven they are abused will be taken away and the parent charged with child abuse. If they kill that baby they are charged with murder. Yet as long as the child is still in the womb it’s okay to rip them apart or crush their skull.
Nobody believes a baby or child deserves to be abused that is why we have laws against it and not one sane person in the world thinks it’s God’s will. Yet we have laws that says it’s okay to murder a baby in the womb and unless you’re insane you can’t argue it’s God’s will to murder the life he created.
Unfortunately, it was left up to the all knowing, deciding power of the Supreme Court. Deciding for us, they were the end all, be all, for all.
Sorry for all us all’s.
How the hell exactly does my personal stories fit with anything? I could care less whether you believe them or not.
You have something seriously wrong with you when you think just because a child possibly will be abused or not loved it is okay to rip them apart limb by limb. With your way of thinking why shouldn’t it then be okay if a child is being abused and unloved to just knock it’s head against a wall or kill him/her to put them out of their misery?
I also have a problem with you lumping all men together. Some men are losers just like some women are losers. However many men are good decent loving men who love their children just as much as their mother does. My husband while being the bread winner still got up with his kids in the middle of the night or sit with them and worried over them when they were sick. Not because he had to but because he wanted to because he loved those children just as much as I did.
I know who you’re taking about, “forced birther” theorist. Since this demented idea came from your own mind and heart, it explains alot. Confirms what I said in my previous post.
LIR- “t doesn’t make your thinking correct — or useful — however”
I find my thinking highly useful. I depend on it, everyday.
I’m not familiar with ORWW, nor do I steep in a teapot. My main consideration here has do do with your imagery and opinions. Perhaps they are not only ‘steeped, but also stewed, and therein lies my concern. Please reconsider your present evaluation of the concept of responsibility. In the matter of abortion, the potential consequences of a sexual union are widely known, previous to any resultant conception that may result. The responsibility and consequences that I am addressing pertain to both the pre-coital and post conceptual states (how’s that for being clinical?), though they are both connected. As the saying goes- ‘knowledge is power,’ and having knowledge enables us to make choices, with those choices having potential consequences. Babies are a potential consequence of sex. An elective abortion is a consequential killing of life that is a result of a failure to take responsibility. The only ‘forced birthing’ that I can conceive of would be a result of that failure. It is often found to be far better to prevent a problem, rather than try to correct it after it has happened.
Open your mind and get rid of those dark clouds. It is a bright sunshiney world out there.
We adopted two infants, and during the years leading up to the adoptions we met many other couples who desperately wanted to start a family or add to their existing family. It breaks my heart to think of all the babies who could have been placed in loving homes, but never had the chance. There are very few infants available for adoption. We were turned down by agencies because they did not have enough for all the couples who wanted to adopt. I bought tickets for this movie knowing that I will not watch it because it is too painful. The most innocent among us pay the ultimate price.
Thank you all for your insights and perspectives. The time has come for some reflection — and prayer or meditation? Perhaps a question about whether we truly have the holy grail of wisdom to force feed all others, all times…..?
Imposing one’s will upon others is, itself, a burdensome responsibility not to be taken lightly without much thought and prior consideration.
…..Lady in Red
This is the fact of abortion LIR. If you can look at these babies and still say forced birthers then you are truly evil.
I doubt you will watch it and although you think I’m a liar I will still tell you I could only make it through 23 seconds, so I didn’t watch it.
However, any person advocating it should at least watch so they will know exactly what they are advocating for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0vu-NkkxUk
Old Racist White Woman- Holy SHIT!!! I had to stop.
Those little toes and fingers.
It is horrible and I couldn’t watch either. What little I did see can’t be unseen.
Every damn politician and every damn judge should be forced to watch it though.
Old Racist White Woman, I think we’re in agreement on this topic. Reread the last part of my first comment on the thread.
To clarify, having a discussion with a warped, unyielding individual is frustrating and pointless.
However, directing comments on the subject towards individuals out there who are seeking answers and want the truth can be extremely beneficial.
BTW, I’ve seen those heartwrenching abortion films as far back as the 80s, and I can no longer watch such autrosities. Too painful.
99th, I know many who read comments on blogs who don’t comment. I’ve heard people say before that reading arguments caused them to investigate something and helped them to see where they were wrong or helped them make a decision.
Speaking for myself, I’m not arguing because I think I can change her mind, when you have convinced yourself abortion is a good thing and anyone disagreeing is a forced birther, you have way more issues than a comment on a blog can fix. Only God can fix that issue. However, someone may read this thread and see for themselves just how horrible abortion is and realize they’ve been misled.
Agreed, Old Racist White Woman. You’ve elaborate the point I was making.
LIR-
Abortion is murder. There is no wordplay you can cobble together to undo this plain fact.
Saying it’s self-defense, or justifiable homicide, is incredibly stupid, perhaps among the stupidest efforts to mitigate abortion I have ever heard.
Legally, what would be the difference between killing the unborn and killing the born? All of your deranged reasoning would still apply.
I see all of the reasoning behind your arguments to be ass backwards.
You say “forced birthing” is the imposition of “your” values which others do not share.
Yes, the jails are full of people who did not share the values that they maintain were being forced upon them. Are the people who jail murderers the fascists? Of course not.
Not being murdered is not a societal construct. You have a God given right to life. All other rhetoric, including your word salad bullshit, is the stuff of fascists.
What I’m describing is not opinion, it is natural law.
Here’s the part where I get in trouble.
I am not a pro-life crusader. I understand what is right, what is correct, what is moral, I just don’t give a shit if you want to murder your own. That is my weakness.
I’ve given up trying to be a “fascist” and trying to appeal to sick-in-the-fucking-head deluded assholes who attempt to wordsmith around what they should know, as human beings, is wrong.
Hell’s bells: one more! ….smile…. It is not that I contend, Old Racist White Woman, that abortion is a *good* thing. I contend that *choice* and personal decisions are good things.
Even more important, I contend that Forcing Women Who (For Whatever Reason) Do NOT Wish to Birth To Do So Against Their Will is a *Very* Bad Thing. It is fascist — and I assume you know what that word means.
That is all. Now, …and to all a good night. ….Lady in Red
Fur….. You say po TA to; I say Po Ta to.
No, I do not consider abortion murder, at all. If you wish to play the legal game, we might call it justifiable homicide, perhaps, or self-defense.
I think all those definitions are inappropriate.
At the same time, if you wish to send women to prison for life for “murdering” that which they did not want inside them, we are moving to interesting legal areas. ….Lady in Red
PS: BTW, some guy who ran for attorney general in Virginia a couple of years ago wanted all women who suffered miscarriages to report the “possible crime” to local sheriffs to investigate whether prosecution might be in order. He lost.
Fiddy damn comments and no one will say if this movie has any tiddys in it or not.
Aaron Burr- I think they are in the movie, though I have not seen it. The best place to look would be in the shop vac.
sorry for that, but sometimes reality sucks. And I guess that is what should stop.
One more thing I meant to say earlier:
To the women who bravely carry a baby to term, who decide this is not the right time to raise a child, who endure the physical and emotional changes, who fight back the temptation to abort, who stand up to family and friends who encourage abortion, who go through all of this for nine months to then sign away rights of parenthood – in my book, you are saints. God bless you!
Jesus Christ Toby.
You’ve scared me off of movies forever.
I’m just gonna’ sit here reading the Bible and eating ice cream.
There are issues where nuance is abhorrent. Abortion is definitely one of them.
When you open your mouth to argue after after someone correctly states, “abortion is murder,” you’re on the wrong side of the issue.
Doesn’t mean I want you to shut your mouth. You can yap away until you’ve convinced yourself you are on the right side of morality. The process, getting to that state of peace, that’s the abhorrent part.
I have some neighbors that have 2 to 3 litters of kittens every fucking spring….they drown them in a bucket, but they still *force birth* the mother cat….complimentary comparison to human life? NO!…Abortion is murder. That’s why you can’t drown a third trimester baby….walk it back to when that baby sparks to life at the first split cell…
I have always believed that women might be closer to God because they are the ones that feel the spark of life in their being….
LIR should we allow women to murder what is in them up until they’re born? It’s still inside them at 9 months, so should still be their choice right? If you disagree then you yourself are a “forced birther.”
BTW did you watch the video of a so called “choice?”
Wow, Fur! So, when forced birthing becomes the law of the land, women and their abortionists (and there are medics and nurses training around the country preparing to defy your “murder” law), you are planning to send women and those who perform abortions to prison for murder…?
You certainly just raised up the poker pot, Fur! Prison for the co-conspirators, eh? *That* is serious murder! ….Lady in Red
willysgoatgruff, as a woman I can tell you I feel sorry for men that they can’t feel a life growing inside them. Through all the puking your guts out, needing to pee every 2 seconds, the backaches, heartburn and pain giving birth it is still worth every second of just feeling that life growing. It is truly a miracle with the birth of each of mine the second they came out it is the only way to describe what happened.
Any woman who has ever had a baby and still calls abortion a choice is pure evil to me. Just the same way I say I know no other word to describe the entire conception to birth experience except miracle, I know no other way to describe a mother advocating for the choice to kill a baby other than evil.
This is more yap yap, LIR.
You can’t just say it’s not murder because people will go to jail if they do it, “trained” or not.
You can’t be appalled because people would actually go to jail for murdering, can you?
lolol
You see, I really don’t care what the man made law is/was/will be. I care more about cutting through the crap cake and getting people to admit was is plainly the truth.
Killing babies is murder.
Say it… (you can whisper it…) killing babies is murder… characterizing it as “forced birthing” doesn’t change what it is. It’s murder.
I’m done now.
I’m not a crusader on this issue, just a realist.
Certainly defines the ‘blur’ between fiction and reality. The Handmaid’s tale, mistakenly presenting a dystopian future for reality. Dystopia definition – an imaginary place where people lead dehumanized and often fearful lives. Once there is a life, it’s no longer imaginary. Even in that fictional “Tale’ the reality about ‘choice’ was truly defined.
Well, Fur, without a uterus, there’s zip chance of you going to prison for murder. ….smile…. Good going!
Here’s on the next generation of medical folk — willing to risk a lot — to help women, wishing to “murder” something or other inside them….
I’d call them brave. ….Lady in Red
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/22/why-medical-students-are-practicing-abortions-on-papayas
LIR you’re really sick.
It’s a good thing BFH lets you keep talking because it shows just how twisted the abortion side is.
And there is zip chance of anyone going to jail for murder if they don’t murder.
Quite simple.
And there is a big chance of someone going to jail for murder when they characterize their victim as a “something or other.”
Again, quite simple. No need for nuance and yap yap.
The fact that creation has chosen women to carry “a something or other” inside them for humanity to be able to carry on is something that really bugs you. It bugs you to the point of being able to brainwash yourself into believing murder doesn’t count if biology has wronged you so badly.
Debate is futile with someone who starts with a flawed premise. (pssst… Killing a baby is MURDER.)
BFH shouldn’t have a voice on the subject because he doesn’t have a uterus so no skin in the game according to LIR.
Roe V Wade became because a woman under the influence of drugs lied and said she was raped and should have the right to murder her baby.
Black robes without a uterus agreed with her and to hell with the Constitution and said women go out and murder as many babies as you can.
LIR have you watched the video of the something or other? I’ll give you a hint they aren’t papayas.
No, I didn’t watch, ORWW. ….smile…. I’ve seen pictures and videos dating back to Mildred Jefferson. (Know her?) I’ve been in homes with pictures of fetuses on the dining room walls.
I refuse to give “them” my phone number or email address. I don’t need the spam. Sorry. ….Lady in Red
And I’ve been accused of being a troll to be banned here, wow, mind blowing thread this is! Never thought of IOTW as twitter, hence never joined it, saved being suspended from.
There’s the legal argument and then there is the moral argument. Just because abortion is legal in every state equally, thanks to the Burger Court, doesn’t make it moral.
There are those who will tell you eating anything with eyes is immoral, but it’s not illegal. There are those who oppose the death penalty because it is the destruction of human life.
Denying the humanity of an unborn child is itself for the expediency of being able to kill that child is at the very least unscientific and illogical, not to mention immoral.
That said, the other argument for abortion has always been, if it’s made illegal it will still be sought out and practiced. We as a society need to get past the belief that unborn children are a burden, a mistake and fixable problem by ending the life. Making abortion illegal won’t do it. The values and beliefs of the nation have to change so that there is no longer a demand for the procedure. That only comes when unborn human life is cherished and revered as a norm of a society. Denying the humanity of the unborn prevents us all from facing the obvious reality of the termination of the unborn is the very fact of abortion. Thus my comment above about “Great power comes great responsibility.” The potential to create another life should be treated with the greatest level of responsibility as should that life once it is created. The more people who adhere to this reality the less demand for abortion. I can’t force anyone to take such a moral position and neither can the state, but I sure as heck don’t have to engage in euphemisms and sly words to ignore the obvious tragedy.
I offer no easy solution or position, only lets be honest about the facts, both of the unborn and the woman who carries the unborn. Ending the life is awful, carrying a child to term, risking child birth then deciding that child’s future is also a terrible burden. Both exist. From my perspective, death of the most innocent is always the worst choice.
Dr. Tar,
I agree with much of what you say with the exception of the state. The state cannot force anyone to be moral or to admit abortion is murder. The state can however say all murder is illegal.
Anyone who says they believe our Constitution is the law of the land and is not a living document would agree this just like gay marriage should be a state decision and not something forced down the throat of every state.
That is another big lie told by the abortion lobby that abortion would end if Roe V Wade were overturned. As immoral and wrong as I believe it is there would still be states who would sanction abortions.
Saw the movie. Someone above said it was mild. I disagree. It was very uncomfortable. And very well done.
Let’s just say there were as many dry eyes in that theater as LIR has upvotes on her comments.
I doubt it will change any minds – libs won’t go to this. But I suspect, especially in a post-Kavanaugh confirmation US, the pro-life base will become more energized.