Seems to me attending church in Texas must be one of the safest community activities one can engage in, because among the congregants is going to be a responsible person with a personal fire arm. Here
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“Good Men With Guns Do What Men Have To Do”
That’s not always the case. Why? Because nobody wants to get sued for pulling their smoke wagon. I can name numerous times when legally armed citizens made the conscious decision not to engage a shooter. We can start with the Gabby Gifford shooting.
We need a “Good Samaritan” law that protects armed citizens from being sued should they decide to intervene.
There have been several shootings in churches going hack a number of years in Texas.
Shot a moving target, in the head, within 2 seconds.
I’m glad this didn’t happen in Dallas County where the Soros funded DA would have this man arrested and charged with murder.
When Seconds Count, The Police Are Only Minutes Away
I’ve noticed that no news source is mentioning info on the shooter. I can only assume the delay is due to the shooter being a leftist.
I’m grateful for people who have the ability, skill and desire to protect others. I carry to defend myself and mine. I fully support others’ right to carry and defend themselves and their own. If by some chance someone is saved as a result of either scenario, they are blessed. I’m still a good man.
Not just church. Anywhere concealed carry rights haven’t been infringed.
The way this one turned out might make another intending shooter seek counseling instead.
…in OH, its a felony to carry in “Any church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship, unless the church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship posts or permits otherwise” (ORC 2923.126 (B)(6)) http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126.
Happily, I have a Pastor who respects the need to protect the flock, so we’ve been able to plan ahead.
…and we do have known CCWs strategically located in ways that take advantage of the architecture of the building, and a phrase that the pastor or the sheepdogs can speak if warranted that drops the congregation to their knees, which leaves an upright shooter exposed to interlocking fields of fire that would angle away from the pastor at the pulpit and yet converge on, say, a rifle-toting fellow moving up the aisle and now sticking up like a sore thumb.
Planning for this in a church is no different than planning for a fire, or planning for a tornado. It’s a hazard of modern times, and you would be negligent to not do so.
You still have to recognize the threat, respond, draw, target, thumb the safety off (unless you’re a Glock fan), acquire, and fire (no cocking if you’re carrying Condition 1, which you should be doing anyway), but you’ll be money ahead if the fellow is himself in the aisle trying to reacquire his shifted victims by bearing on their new position because he’s probably not going to walleye both sides behind him at once, and, well…
Is this what I WANT to do in church? No. But if there’s a threat to my Brothers and Sisters in Christ, I will not hesitate to protect them if it is at all in my power to do so.
This is NOT what the Pastor should be focused on. That’s why the “Sheepdog” reference. Sheepdogs watch the flock too, but they’re watching for wolves, and will not hesitate to protect as needed should a wolf creep into the herd.
Ohio law is a bit vague about who can “permit” it. In my situation, the Pastor is the owner of the physical plant as well as the sole authority over it, so there’s no debate, but in large churches with ownership and management that may not even be in the same state, or even the same country, it may be a bit more nebulous as to whether the local pastor can authorize carry. I cannot speak to the legality of any given situation, I would highly recommend you seek qualified counsel yourself if in doubt.
Either way, at least in Ohio, I would be SURE to have the Pastor’s permission.
And if the Pastor doesn’t WANT to give permission, I would have to question his concern for the physical well-being of his flock and perhaps look elsewhere for the Lord, as he is not a Pastor or a place, but can be found anywhere that “two or three gather together in HIS name…” (Matthew 18:20).
…Do NOT be afraid to worship the Lord. Worst case, an attacker is threatening to sent YOU to Heaven and HIMSELF to hell. One way or another, “no weapon forged against me will prosper(Isaiah 54:17), so there is no fear, but the Lord’s Church should be preserved on Earth for as long as possible to glorify His name while others can still be drawn to him, and there’s no reason to let some evil, insane, or Muslim person deny the Lord His due when steps can be taken to prevent the evil from prospering in the FIRST place. The Bible is NOT a suicide pact, even the Lord recommended His disciples arm up because he KNEW what was coming for those who worshiped in His name (Luke 22:36-38), and that’s probably a good verse to end on.
Consider this when you think on these matters. If the Lord is for it, who can stand against it?
“36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.”
Luke 22:36-38
It IS enough. IF you have the ability and will to USE it. Go forth and uplift the Lord, and defend His church to the best of your ability.
I’ve read the back of the book. It’s worth it in the end…
At least two men (an ex-Marine and myself) CC every Sunday, even when either of us are up in the pulpit. The history of recent murders in church are the textbook definition of “Always be ready because you never know.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RDDi1WIJH8&bpctr=1577735045&app=desktop
Unedited security recording.
Would love to know if his front sight drifted up or that really was his targeted point.
With the adrenaline rush going that was a hell of a shot.
@TheMule, the problem has become that MSM are not reporting the truth, because it doesn’t fit their lying agenda. Even the video is being and has been altered to hide what really happened in that church. Truth=black male, not a white male was the shooter.
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SOMEONE WANTS THIS CENSORED BECAUSE THEY WANT THE STORY LINE CONTROLLED
Here’s the actual story line: Black guy tries shooting another black guy in predominantly white church, succeeds in killing 1 white guy and 1 black guy and then within 3 seconds gets gunned down by 4 other whites carrying legal firearms.
Here’s the new story line: White nationalist with face obscured by black hoodie and fake beard (thus introducing a story line which makes it impossible to see the face to prove anything) commits attempted mass shooting in church. As it turns out, people at the church have spoken about this and the shooter was a black Democrat voter with a long rap sheet. Wherever this story goes will all depend upon whether or not individual people can manage to post above the censorship.
This demonstrates to the layman why quick trained repetitive muscle memory training is so vital. Having said that it still takes the mental and emotional courage to pull a trigger.
So for all of those second guessing SJWs, watch this video a thousand times and understand why LEOs who want to go home alive to their loved ones must judge and execute so quickly and why it’s incumbent on a suspect to obey the Officers instructions.
Within seconds this perp was already dead but still had time to kill. Within seconds at least 4 weapons were drawn in defense but the skill of that security man was exceptional.
Creeps like these petty crooks are handily dealt with by firearma.
The biden/obama/clinton/pelosi/kerry/romney/left/islamic contingent is, as well.
As someone raised in the Church of Christ, I can tell you I’m surprised there weren’t more members pulling weapons on the bad guy.
@CIsco Kid, cops have the right to shoot immediately at even the intent of gun use. If a security guard, or private citizen shoots first at just seeing a gun threat he/she could be accused of a crime, even though the threatener was the criminal. It has to be legitimate proven self defense. So the trick seems to be to get shot at first! Ugh!
@flip, “Unedited security recording.” Have to sign in to watch it. Too much about this event is being withheld , and/or altered. But there is more info coming from this source:
http://82.221.129.208/.vu7.html
Back to the shooting:
I don’t know if the people posting that the church shooting was fake believe it or not or if they are gov agents trolling. Christchurch, Bat Man, Sandy Hook and more may have been fake, but this particular one was not and that is proven by the very obvious blood spray coming out the back of the security guard after the shot gun blast.
Additionally, the videos are now falsified. In the original, the shooter was black from start to finish and never looked white at all. Now, in the ones allowed to circulate, he turns into a white guy “after his mask falls off” and that’s solid proof that someone can’t handle the story line. If this shooting was fake, they would not have missed that detail and then had to change it. And now they have a white guy identified as the “shooter” when they are pushing for a gun ban against totally legal and responsible whites in Virginia and elsewhere, – the narrative is obvious. They desperately needed this shooting to be changed into something that fit the narrative.
Last night it was well known and widely stated that the people at the church knew who the shooter was, that he was black and that he was semi indigent in the area and that he had a long rap sheet but kept getting released. You don’t get that kind of detail from people and then suddenly have it be a white guy. That is where this shooting is now a hoax, it certainly did happen.
I can’t drop the importance of this event, because it is being used deceitfully for nefarious purposes against the legal rights of the people. The warning about creating a white gunman has now been officially done. Not one person in that church who knows the truth will be allowed to tell it. FBI?/CIA? or both will threaten innocent people to shut them up. Also any local cops. So why is this so important that it has to be lied about?
“He’s battling a demon” – Texas church gunman identified and he had a LOT of problems…
The Right ScoopDEC. 30, 2019 5:17 PM BY THE RIGHT SCOOP
Here’s a photo of Kinnunen that dates back to 2013:
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Investigators have identified the #whitesettlement suspect as Keith Thomas Kinnunen, 43. This is a 2013 mugshot for Kinnunen, just released by the Tarrant Co. Sheriff’s Office
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Considering the extensive criminal record, I’m guessing we find out Kinnunen stole the shotgun he used in the shooting. Given all of the other crazy stuff, I’ll be surprised of they find a coherent motive for the shooting.
https://therightscoop.com/hes-battling-a-demon-texas-church-gunman-identified-and-he-had-a-lot-of-problems/