A 73-year-old man is dead in police-involved shooting after he refused to wear a mask in an Ontario grocery store.
The shooting occurred Wednesday morning, after police were called to a Minden Valu-Mart after the senior citizen refused to comply with the region’s new mandatory mask rules. The man argued with Valu-mart staff before allegedly assaulted an employee and driving off in his car.
Police followed the man, however, they did not stop him, “in the interest of public safety.”
Two Officers Fired Guns Outside Man’s Home
Ontario’s Special Investigation’s Unit (SIU) is now investigating.
The SIU is a civilian law enforcement agency, independent of the police, with the power to both investigate and charge police officers with a criminal offense.
SIU told CBC that officers used the man’s license plate to trace him to his home, near Haliburton, 215 km from Toronto. Outside the home, according to the SIU, there was an “interaction” and two police officers fired their guns. The man was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead at 11:47 am.
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Shooting someone who shot at police is racist but Shooting someone who committed assault over the wearing of a mask is to be applauded.
YOU WILL COMPLY.
Make no mistake about it, they killed him as a message to others.
to be expected in justa-turdhole countrym.
Shoot anyone wearing blackface instead.
OBEY
Comply or die.
That should be simple enough to understand.
Probably not one of PM Happy Socks’ protected classes. Then again the guy was 73, better his pension gets absorbed and given away to a new and compliant arrival.
Doesn’t Canada have strict gun laws? Why would the police ever need guns of their own?
Another chicom flu related statistic.
WTH? The “reporting” omits quite a few details.
Man refuses to wear mask.
Man leaves store and drives home.
Trudeau sanctioned mercenaries arrive at his home.
Trudeau sanctioned mercenaries open fire on mans private property.
Man dies.
This is why Trudi pushed for strict gun control. It begins!
OK, this is ridiculous, he was not shot for not wearing a mask.
The article provides zero facts as to the motivation for deadly force, only revealing that an “altercation took place”. It is entirely possible that this was a good shoot. How about we wait for the facts to come out before we link mask non-compliance with deadly force?
I don’t understand why the cops need to be called for mask non-complaince in the first place.
http://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1594591397305.jpg
I wonder if the cops planted a gun on him after they killed him.
Well, they showed him.
Isn’t there a bunch of BLM folks that aren’t wearing masks that might need same kind of encouragement in that area?
He must have been the neighborhood bully. He does not need to wear a mask now, possibly he was right all along.
@Rich Taylor. re the sign shown in your link. Businesses cannot decline to serve you, just because you don’t look like they want their customers to look like. You’ll get shut down if your business doesn’t want you to come in if you are black or asian or indian. Or if you are a man wearing a dress. I’m not sure we have any laws on the book that say not wearing a mask is OK for discrimination yet. I know some areas have threatened to fine businesses who don’t mandate masks, but that is not the same as giving them the right to kick you out for not wearing one.
@Gin Blossom- indeed… and now it begins. I just hope I get back to TX before Nov.
efemdy, we already have laws on the books (in the form of the Civil Rights Act of 1964) which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Requiring mask-wearing for public safety is not discrimination in any stretch of the imagination.
I’m reminded of the sign we see all the time, “No shirt/shoes, no service”. And if a competing store across the street puts up a sign that says they will accommodate non-mask wearers, welcome to the free market.
What, the guy doesn’t have a name? Erect a statue to him.
And no sharply edited video,
Metro Toronto Cops are actually very good.
The OPP, not really in the same league. (former commish is a friend of mine and was brought in to help fix it) He was originally a Homi Cop from T.O.
My other copper buddies generally are not big fans of the OPP. Most forces in Canada rely very heavy on Toronto and some of the better departments of the RCMP for serious forensics and intel.
All the facts are not out but people are getting fed up with stupid constantly changing government rules and lock downs.
Roger F: New Zealand also has strict gun laws, so how did this happen?
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/two-police-officers-shot-in-new-zealand/news-story/16d70d995b30afeec15aa0f82aaca97d
@RichTaylor
It is entirely possible that this was a good shoot. How about we wait for the facts to come out before we link mask non-compliance with deadly force?
Good shoot?
In that they hit the bullseye or good shoot having followed the man home re: noncompliance for not wearing a mask, whereby further antagonizing him into “an altercation” and kaboom!
Typically I’m wired to be on the side of LE until I see evidence to the contrary, hence my comment the story is wholly incomplete.
FTA: The SIU is a civilian law enforcement agency, independent of the police, with the power to both investigate and charge police officers with a criminal offense.
I further question what a civilian LE agency tasked with investigating POLICE OFFICERS, NOT citizens, have any business being in this position in the first place.
Rich Taylor, I understand your point, but it isn’t the same. Shirt and shoe rules are explicitly stated as such in state health department regulations. Masks aren’t. No business came come up to a person and simply say “Get out”. Personally, I think they should be able to do that as it is their property, but they can’t at this time. They can approach it as a trespassing violation, but not until they have gone through the normal channels for that. Retail stores where I worked would have loved to tell some people to leave, but they legally couldn’t. Not sure how the lack of a mask alters that. Not trying to pick a fight. Just see that sign as in error.
@ Engelburka Engelburka, you are assuming that the only reason they followed him home was that he was not wearing a mask. You are assuming that the police instigated the “altercation” by antagonizing him. There are no facts (so far) that answers why they followed him or what transpired in this altercation that would require deadly force.
“Typically I’m wired to be on the side of LE until I see evidence to the contrary.”
Me too, that’s why instead of flying off the handle with,”They killed him for not wearing a mask or to send a message”, I will wait for the actual facts to come out.
If we later find out that they did follow him only because of his mask non-compliance or that they were the aggressors in the altercation then I would welcome any condemnation or derision aimed their way.
@efemdy,” Shirt and shoe rules are explicitly stated as such in state health department regulations.”………….bingo!! And states (like my own, California) have declared non-mask-wearing as a safety issue.
I honestly don’t what see the big deal is. If store owners want to require masks for the safety of their employees and their regular customers (and avoid lawsuits later brought on from employees that did get Covid due to their lax masks requirements) they have every right to do this. It is exactly like the “No shirt/shoes, no service”. If you really want to shop there, put on a shirt, some shoes, and a mask, the door is now wide open to you.
Keep arguing. I have better things to do.🥱
I wouldn’t hold up California as the shining beacon for rules and regulations the rest of the country should follow, but yes, let’s wait and see what the facts are is they ever come out.
Surprised? It’s Canada, eh?
1. They should not have put the employees in the position to nag customers. Period.
meanwhile, back in the states:
I love how walmart says you don’t have to come in, just shop online and have it delivered- And then 50% of their shit online says NOT AVAILABLE FOR DELIVERY or IN STORE ONLY. lolol
Fuck off. seriously.
“No shoes no shirt”
Yeah, not at walmart. No shoes no shirt is no problem. But they’re gonna be picky about masks, though. LOL.
BTW, under which demand or law is a mask considered a ‘mask’. Because eventually, you’re going to see nitpicking laws about what you can enter a store with. A flimsy scarf is okay now, but what happens when they 0bamacare that mask and tell you what mask you MUST wear? You know they will. That’s how this shit works.
About this mask thing, it is being sold by the political medical establishment as a safety devise, with some blowback from the real medical community. That said, if I’m out in the world and don’t have on a mask on and you do, doesn’t your mask provide protect against nonconformist like me? Either masks work or they don’t. Yes, it’s that simple.
BINGO! ^^^
“BINGO! ^^^”
Umm, not really. My mask does not provide protection against non-comformists like you if you are infected (most of those infected don’t even know it yet) and say you sneeze on an item that I pick up a few minutes later, then get into my car, take off my mask and rub my nose or eye, then get infected myself.
And as far as employees having to nag customers about their lack of a mask, we don’t know if that happened here, could have been a customer that called the cops, again, let’s wait for the facts to come out.
“And then 50% of their shit online says NOT AVAILABLE FOR DELIVERY or IN STORE ONLY. lolol”
Last customer I talked to that wanted to order online had to ok wallyworld employees substituting for their choices they wanted to buy. No specific approval – just picking whatever the Wallyworld employee thinks is the equivalent.
They’re Jewish. They ain’t buying non-kosher, bitches. Substitution is unacceptable to them.
Me? I’m looking up some recipes for fine dining on opossums, squirrels and raccoons. I mean, I’m throwing away good meat lately. It would be like getting paid twice for catching them.
Rich Taylor
No, really.
First of all. If the person wearing the mask is adamant that they are protected, it’s THEIR perception THEY are protected. So if no one else is wearing a mask, but they are, they feel safe.
It has nothing to do with who is touching what, and who isn’t wearing a mask, who is touching their faces adjusting them. They don’t get that far.
It’s a false sense of their security. They probably don’t wash their hands, either. I don’t care. That’s on them. I’m not going to nanny state them and follow them around in their life.
If you wear a mask, fine. I don’t care. But don’t assume it’s someone who ISN’T wearing a mask who infected you because YOU weren’t careful.
I saw 2 people in the past 2 weeks who took off their masks to sneeze and then put it back on.
2nd. If you read the story, you would see the employees said, and told others, they felt they were put in the position to nag people.
And so did the commenters in the post. They were put in a position they shouldn’t be in.
Dadof4- lol. The grocery delivery was stupid. I tried it once (For an elderly lady) and either the store had nothing she wanted to substitute or they were ‘out’. And then they shorted her 2 items. She has a credit (not a refund. They don’t tell you they don’t refund ahead of time) for $5.98.
MJA, I just reread the article, don’t know how I missed this,” The man argued with Valu-mart staff before allegedly assaulted an employee and driving off in his car.”, it sounds like that was why the guy was followed by the cops, he assaulted a store employee, all because he couldn’t follow the rules.
“So if no one else is wearing a mask, but they are, they feel safe.”
No. The only way that “they” would feel safe is if all potential carriers also wear a mask, thus the means of transmission of the virus, moisture droplets emanating from the mouth or nose of those already infected, would be halted within the confines of the mask wearer. If I go into a store and I see people not wearing a mask, I know that everything they breathe on or sneeze on is potentially contaminated, potentially. This could be alleviated if those in the store are wearing masks and sneeze or breathe into their own masks.
Of course, it is possible for someone infected while still in the car to sneeze into his hand, then put a mask on, enter the store, and handle items with the virus covered hand. But risk-averse does not mean eliminating risk 100%, it means doing what you can to minimize the risks.
Employees approached and told the old man no mask no groceries.
Another heart-breaking COVID death, eh?
First they came for the people who would not willingly wear masks, then they came for…
Does that sound somehow, vaguely familiar? Or is it just me because I was alive during WW2?
” the guy was followed by the cops, he assaulted a store employee, all because he couldn’t follow the rules.”
Yeah, no shit. I’m not arguing that. He was approached by an employee. That was my point in that discussion.
no you missed my point.
Most mask wearers believe they are safe because they are wearing masks. It’s a mental thing, not a physical thing.
They don’t think about what they’re doing wrong as they’re wearing them and how they aren’t completely effective because of the materials they’re made from. Even if they have on the n-95 mask, they’re not medical people who know how to act with them on.
No, bacteria viruses are not confined to the mask wearer. Wearing a mask, ill or not, you are still touching your mask and touching everything else in the store, or in your house. Period. And chances are, the person wearing the mask is reusing it, especially if they don’t know they are sick.
I’ve seen masks in carts, next to trash cans, gloves, wipes in the carts, etc.
Even if masks were 60% effective, and I’m being generous, people are 100% lazy. lol. Face it. Everyone is going to get it, eventually. That’s how viruses and bacteria work. There is no cure for viruses, only vaccines. And you can still get polio, chicken pox, measles…
@Rich Taylor — Your debate points would potentially have some meaning if the masks people are wearing protected either the wearers or those nearby.
But they don’t. Masks are ineffective in stopping or slowing the transmission of viral infections.
This is a fact well understood and poorly publicized. This paper was published almost three months ago and I have yet to find any serious refutation of its conclusions.
And I’m not even getting into the dangers of wearing masks. Mandating mask use has ZERO benefit, and NON-ZERO cost.
“no you missed my point.
Most mask wearers believe they are safe because they are wearing masks. It’s a mental thing, not a physical thing.”
I got your point, you were making an assumption about mask wearers (which I am and you are not) and how they feel safe. For me, knowing how the virus is transmitted through droplets from those infected, people around me also wearing masks in confined spaces makes me feel safer (not 100% safe).
I would also posit (based on no empirical evidence) that mask wearers wash their hands more, social distance more, and are more conscientious about their behavior and actions in regards to others’ safety.
You know, of all the Draconian out of touch decrees handed down from above that have actually ruined lives; closing down businesses and real jobs, shutting down my gym so I can’t work out, declaring (at least here in California) that schools can not reopen next month and forcing parents to stay home from work if they still have work, to watch as their kids fall even further behind, fining those businesses that are still open if they allow unmasked customers, and having the cops actually ticket the unmasked when they are outside and not within 10 feet of anyone, it is these measures that should outrage. Requiring me to wear a mask for the 15 minutes that I go grocery shopping, not even on my radar.
Wearing a mask to stop a virus is like erecting a chain link fence to ward off mosquitoes. – Michael Knowles
Fur, this one’s for you:
https://external-preview.redd.it/w1apeLj3qM0pfOjajYyT1S0DVz5quxtusTJwCdbygr0.jpg?width=1200&height=628.272251309&auto=webp&crop=1200:628.272251309,smart&s=9b9094bd1149d08f0827d90e81a829355ebede6e
The vast majority of people wearing a mask are wearing it wrong. I’ve had people pull down the mask to talk to me. That is absurd. I’ve seen people wear it under their nose. I’ve seen many people wearing bandanas LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOOO. Bandanas don’t do shit. The virus is spread through a vapor cloud, not by “droplets” that one can see. If you walk through a vapor cloud, breathing, you are sucking in the viral load through any crack, crease, loose spot over under and to the side of your mask, bandana, etc. Masks, as worn by the general public, do very little. And don’t get me started on the fact that mask wearers are not covering their eyes. But, having said this, by all means, wear a mask. And stock up on toilet paper. lol
Uncle Al, I am no scientist and admit that there are conflicting studies on the efficacy of wearing masks. Here is one that just came out this week, that says masks are effective:
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
“Aerosols and droplets generated during speech have been implicated in the person-to-person transmission of viruses,1,2 and there is current interest in understanding the mechanisms responsible for the spread of Covid-19 by these means. The act of speaking generates oral fluid droplets that vary widely in size,1 and these droplets can harbor infectious virus particles. Whereas large droplets fall quickly to the ground, small droplets can dehydrate and linger as “droplet nuclei” in the air, where they behave like an aerosol and thereby expand the spatial extent of emitted infectious particles.2 We report the results of a laser light-scattering experiment in which speech-generated droplets and their trajectories were visualized.”
Watching the video of the laser light captured moisture droplets flying through the air, compelling, at least to me.
And even if you are not COVID infected, but just have a cold or the flu, keeping your moisture droplets within the confines of your own mask, an added bonus for those around you.
Did the video light up the virus that escapes when a person coughs or sneezes while wearing a completely ineffectual paper mask that they bought at the dollar store?
How about when one of these geniuses with the bandanas coughs and sneezes?
Well, of course, tools that are not used properly are ineffective; we don’t put the left shoe on the right foot, hammer the nail with the wood part of the hammer, or point a loaded gun in our own direction.
Sure, N-95 (and better) masks help prevent people’s spittle and larger oral spray from infecting people nearby. But cloth masks catch only the largest droplets (e.g., coughing) leaving the vapor cloud largely unaffected.
If your mask is collecting large doses of viral droplets of any size in a personal conversation with someone who’s sick, I’d say, call Houston, because you’ve got a potential problem the longer you stay there. Plus, now you’ve got an infected mask!
Many medical professionals were interviewed about masks when this “crisis” started and they ALL said they put masks on THE INFECTED PATIENT to help reduce their effluent (N-95 or better).
So, the medical profession knows that masks help prevent the delivery of infection, not the receipt of it.
i refuse to enter this argument, but that stated i will continue to offer my zorro mask or my Dianny downloaded card. i am not sick and have successfully survived 62 years of influenza (including most of the covid strains). fukc the chinks. fukc covid. I will not live in fear.
Show of hands
How many here believe that COVID is the most likely pathogen, or most deadly they run the risk of another Walmart shopper infectIng them with?
You can put me down a not me.
I’ve no doubt I run the risk of being infected by a Walmart shopper…..just not with COVID.
And THIS is why everyone is complying- fear of getting canceled or in this case- killed.
The old man was 73 so I wonder if his ‘assault’ warranted the cops showing up and opening fire at him.