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The Phallic Necktie Is An Outdated Symbol of White Male Rule

Wednesday, 10 February 2021, 19:15 Claudia Uncategorized 60

The phallic necktie is an outdated symbol of
white male rule in New Zealand’s parliament

The Guardian – Last week it was reported that the Speaker of the House, Trevor Mallard, had decided to keep the requirement that male MPs wear neckties in the New Zealand parliament’s debating chamber after asking members of parliament to write to him about what constitutes appropriate business attire in the House.

If there was ever a year to change New Zealand’s anachronistic parliamentary dress code, it should be 2021, when the new parliament is the most diverse and inclusive ever, including 48% women, 11% LGBTQ, 21% Māori, 8.3% Pacific, and 7% Asian New Zealand members.

White male MPs, the demographic group most likely to wear a necktie, are now a minority. And yet Mallard, who has previously said he personally loathes wearing a necktie, apparently made the decision to stick with the rule after “a significant majority of members who responded opposed any change to dress standards for the debating chamber.”

Why the fuss about a simple necktie?

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60 Comments on The Phallic Necktie Is An Outdated Symbol of White Male Rule

  8. Ah…from what I have read, the modern necktie evolved from a neck scarf worn by British sailors. They used it as we would a napkin, to wipe your hands on it after eating a bit of pork, beef, lamb, etc. without utensils. Then it became fashionable in society to wear a facsimile of one. Why I don’t know.

    I dislike wearing them, but I will say it enhances a good suit or sports jacket.

    I have one rule about wearing them: A plain tie for a shirt with a design, and a designed tie for a plain shirt.

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  16. Never had to wear one for my job, even when, only occasionally for a meeting with a ‘higher end’ client.

    I’m not crazy about them, but NOT for the reasons of ‘white male rule’? I have learned that I trust men WITHOUT the tie, more than the ones WITH the tie.

    When I see coveralls? That’s when I trust…

    Capish?

    I will usually ‘put one on’ for a wedding OR a funeral…

    BTW, WHAT IS THE FEMALE EQUIVALENT of this ‘nonsense’?

    IF we have one? YOUS must have one…ladies? :>O

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  24. I worked in White Collar America for 40 years. I never liked the tie. It’s a silly symbolic piece of cloth held over from 17th century mercenaries. It forces you to button your collar tight against your neck and it eventually dips into your lunch.
    I rebelled against the tie back in the 1990’s which attracted the ire of management who were former military officers in a former life. Little did I know that I was a trend setter as one by one they relaxed and freed themselves from, ‘the tie’, admittedly, always on a Friday. But when I came to work wearing a polo shirt instead of a dress shirt, then I was a true rebel in their eyes.

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  29. “BTW, WHAT IS THE FEMALE EQUIVALENT of this ‘nonsense’?”

    I’m guessing a sanitary napkin, although it’s often disguised or otherwise hidden.

    One’s a ‘guy’ thing, the other isn’t.

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  35. I think a man wearing a neck tie (Windsor knot) with a medium starched dress shirt and a good looking suit is about the sexiest thing there is (tied for first place with a guy wearing blue jeans, a flannel shirt and tool belt). Now if they would only bring back hats for men and women, that would be heavenly. Men’s hats: dress, business, workmen’s hats, whatever. I remember my granddad always wore some kind of hat. Skip the baseball cap.

    You can leave your hat on. 😉

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  36. I’ll wear a tie, and a waistcoat, and a clean white shirt, and a hat, and blackball my boots, until I’m too muddled to know what they are.

    I wear my overalls for the rest of the day, but when I was at work (and not in a ceiling or crawlspace) and out in public I wear a suit, a tie, and a hat.

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  37. …only a frustrated, dried-up woman or man would have the time on her/his hands to dream up all these greivance-mongering idiocies. I think it’s time to bring back the phrase “Get a life.”

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  39. I’m with you Abigail Adams Girl! A nice fitting suit with a sharp looking tie is HOT! No denying it but like you said jeans, flannel shirt and tool belt is even better. Oh and hats are my thing!
    Something Ghost and I found in Oklahoma about 28 years ago. Ghost bought a beautiful black sleek cowboy hat and some guys tells him in a twang “I Like Your Hat”. We use that line every time we come across someone wearing a hat that we like or thing is fun! Hey you have to laugh in life. That’s what it is all about.

    God Bless us all!

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  40. I wish I could get dressed up more often. I have a nice hat that I got for Christmas 2019 but I have not had a chance to wear it.

    Before I transferred locations in 2015 I always wore a tie at work – but I was the only guy. When I transferred there were two other guys but they wore jeans and casual shirts, so I could not really wear a dress shirt, slacks, and a tie without looking really out of place. From time to time on Sundays, the ladies and I would have a dress up day. We would dress up in classy clothes, or Hawaiian shirts/dresses, etc. That made things fun. I still did not wear jeans unless it was a “dress down” day.

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  42. I learned how to tie a tie, albeit not very well I’m sure, from my Cub Scout handbook. Funny thing is it was only a few years ago that I learned that I was doing it backwards — probably from following the book but looking in a mirror. I tried to correct it but it felt really strange.

    I never really learned how to get the length right. However it turned out depended on how thick the tie was. If it was a thin tie, the skinny part would hang below my belt. If it were a thick tie the wide part would hang below my belt.

    I have a bow tie but it is a clip-on.

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  43. @Ghost — Yes, medium starch would be so that you have a nice, crisp shirt but it’s not like wearing a piece of unforgiving cardboard and it doesn’t make the shirt look shiny. A half Windsor is perfectly acceptable (with the right collar 🙂

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  44. When you wear a 3 piece suit the length of the tie has nothing to do with it. It’s the knot and the collar.

    I must sound really like a faggot.

    I’m pretty particular about my clothing. Usually for tying a tie it’s the left hand splayed open and the distance from the pinkie tip to the thumb tip from the waistline for the narrow end of the tie hung under the collar to determine where the wide end ends up. My waistline is a few inches below my ribs.

    What I mostly do is tie a tie and never untie it again.

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  47. I have probably a dozen fairly expensive ties. It’s been years since I’ve worn one, probably outdated. I prefer a polo shirt, if it’s cold out a sweat shirt over it. I’d put a tool belt on but that looks gay.

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  48. My understanding of the history of the necktie is that it originated in the (18th century?) among the British upper crust hoi polloi. Those were the ones who would go to the colleges and universities (Eaton, Oxford, Cambridge, etc). The pattern on the tie would show which college you were going / went to.
    Think of the Harry Potter movies, each school at Hogwarts (Gryffindor, et al) had their own pattern and colors.

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  56. AnonTrooper
    FEBRUARY 11, 2021 AT 6:38 AM
    “I used to sell high end menswear back in the day…”

    …I hope you were better than this guy who set me up once, and rooked me when I was down.

    …see, my father died very unexpectedly and we were close at the end of his life and weren’t always, I had just gotten married and bought a house, and was looking forwards to his advice for years to come, so I was absolutely devastated when I got called from work to a neighbor’s house, where they told me my father was still in the house he raised me in, waiting for the coroner after he died, alone, because of a fall.

    I was walking around zombies and numb, totally useless to my recently widowed mother, unable to even communicate coherently for awhile. Death was something that happened to OTHER people’s fathers, not MINE!

    I was wrecked, is what I’m saying.

    …I was also blue collar to the core, so the last time I wore a full-on suit and not a dress uniform (which I no longer had the right to wear at that point, being retired) was at my own wedding, and THAT suit didn’t fit and was not really the burying type, so since I was gonna have to sack up at some point and stand up for my Mom at viewings and be a pallbearer and other fun stuff and didn’t know about suits at all, I just went to the first one I saw in a commercial, something called the Men’s Wearhouse, and basically threw myself on the mercy of this fucking asshole pretending to be a tailor who just saw more dollars the more I talked. You know, tight timeliness, I don’t know anything about this, I know Jack about materials and cuts and fashions and such, so basically I asked the man to dress me in whatever way he thought appropriate for the occasion since he theoretically knew more about suits than I, and I had a nice blank check I’d fill out for him later. My wife was with me, probably the only thing that kept it from being a TOTAL disaster, but God bless her, she was raised in a blue collar house completely and knew nothing about this stuff either, so she was just there to piece me together again when I lost my shit from grief and look with her woman’s eye at the results.

    A decent human being clerk in this situation would have been empathetic and helped and kept it reasonable.

    THIS guy fucking HOSED me.

    He steered me to the high-end stuff, told me crap about having to buy multiples because they wouldn’t speed up the tailoring any other way (LIE), that there was also a huge upcharge for speedy tailoring (LIE), that they couldn’t give me their alteration guarantee because I was in a hurry (LIE), that I needed silk socks and high dollar undershirts and crap I never wore that no one would ever see…

    …and I just rolled with it. I was barely aware and just did. Not. Care. Didn’t have time to comparison shop or like that anyway, “go” time was near.

    The wife beat down some of the stupider things and refused the first alteration where my pricey, but shifty made, suit hung like an ox yoke, but again she didn’t know about this stuff either so the guy got me for WAY up over a grand for crap that was worth a quarter of that, maybe.

    Thanks to my wife it looked OK for the time I needed it, but they left the mall shortly after that and the rest of the chain refused to honor or alter or repair their shit because of the way that guy set me up. I think he was buying stuff from a buddy and some point and just shelling it to me using the chain as a front.

    This was over 2 decades ago, and that fucker is STILL on my list of people who will probably keep me out of Heaven because I have a REAL hard time forgiving them.

    …so just know that, whatever your profession is, you touch lives in it.

    So do it honorably.

    And do it very well.

    The Lord tells us to occupy until He returns.

    But I suspect He would want us to do the best we can for His creations WHILE we occupy, and not go all Democrat on them…

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  58. A million years ago when I was fixing typewriters for a living, we all wore three piece suits in order to compete with the “IBM look”. I owned summer weight wool suits as well as winter weight suits. Custom tailored pinpoint oxford long sleeve shirts, silk ties and comfortable dress shoes as there was considerable walking involved. I was young and not bad looking and the chicks dug me. The typewriter business was dying due to the introduction of electronic word processing. So I left the business and started climbing utility poles for a living. Been in jeans and flannels ever since. I do keep a couple of suits handy for weddings and funerals and such. Purchasing shirts that fit properly saves one the agony of strangulation when the top button is buttoned.

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  59. “Clean shirt, new shoes
    And I don’t know where I am goin’ to
    Silk suit, black tie
    I don’t need a reason why

    They come runnin’ just as fast as they can
    ‘Cause every girl crazy ’bout a sharp-dressed man”

    izlamo delenda est …

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