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Authorities Claim Church Shooting Was Domestic Dispute, Not Targeted Hate Crime Against Religion

Monday, 6 November 2017, 12:18 BFH Uncategorized 47

47 Comments on Authorities Claim Church Shooting Was Domestic Dispute, Not Targeted Hate Crime Against Religion

  2. I’ve read that his ex-in-laws attended that church, but using that to conclude that his murderous rampage was a domestic dispute is like looking at piles of crap on the living room rug and declaring that your problem is the houseflies.

  5. Convenient. A domestic dispute but the mother-In-law wasn’t even at the church. He may know the town/church from his mother-In-law but people that come gunning for a certain person generally make sure they are going to get them. Why come and take out 50+ people you don’t even know unless you have some other reason. What is up with the skull mask? Wouldn’t you want your mother-in-law you are so pissed off at to know you are her killer?
    They are going to spin this to fit their agenda and move on fast.

  12. If this is the best Texas law enforcement can do Texans are F**k’ed.
    Damn good thing civilians took care of this otherwise the FBI, Rangers may be forced to look closely at choir and organ player.

  14. I wouldn’t trust the authorities anymore. It could very well be an Antifa anti Religeous attack and the authorities are trying to cover it up. I’m not sure who I would trust anymore in these types of situations. Hell, the local cops probably should have told state and federal agencies to pound sand until they are finished. If they needed help ask for it from surrounding counties.

  15. If it was just a domestic dispute, he would have gone to their house.

    Choosing to rain hell down on their church during services was a deliberate choice clearly fueled by something far deeper than a domestic dispute.

  18. I dunno, if he thought the X Mother in law still attended there I can see him showing up there. But to be honest, I’m not sure the “Whys” are even important anymore.

  19. Wow, the usual FBI bullshit… The guy was an asshole. He likely never had a good relationship with his mother in law. Many people don’t. But the fact that the guy made specific smears against Christians just gets dismissed and nothing. What a surprise.

    Meshes well with the idiotic comment that the shooter didn’t have a “firearms license.” Nobody has a fucking firearms license in the US. That’s a standard Hollywood dialog invention to scam people into thinking there is such a thing as a state issued “firearms license” here. There are legal owners and illegal owners. This shooter, if he was dishonorably discharged from the military, was an illegal owner.

  23. The perp had taught bible classes, so obviously had at one time thought seriously about God, the universe, and everything. He then decided that God “wasn’t all that”, that His followers were a bunch of crackpots-n-idiots, and so did the only “logical” thing possible – turned against everything he knew and became an Atheist.
    Some people turn their anger against God inward and hate themselves for who God made them to be (i.e. transgenders who reject who they were born to be so they make up new personas so they can play out their new role).
    Other people turn their anger against God to His followers. Usually it plays out with the needling and mocking, something most Christians learn to live with early on. It’s “our cross to bear”.
    This perp just happened to take his anger against God to the extreme and picked on some congregation that he used to know.
    So yeah, domestic dispute in that one American turned on his fellow Americans. But what was that saying so long ago? “James Madison said, “We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow The Ten Commandments with all our heart.
    These men believed you couldn’t even call yourself an American if you subvert the Word of God”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQpzQ2RDtyU
    https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/1937759/Carman/America+Again

  25. I’ve said this before but how does society function once it realizes it’s already on it’s own?

    If you have no faith in the local government and local police. If you have no faith that the FIN is honest.

    It’s not that they’re not there. They are. But they are wholly incompetent, inadequate, or untrustworthy.

    We’re pedaling our little bicycle and looking over our shoulder to see that there is no one holding onto the seat or looking out for us despite billions spent for our protection.

    You are on your own and have been since well before 9/11.

  27. Why are the “whys” important (in the long run)?

    The dead are still dead, regardless of the “reason.”
    We can’t stop it from happening, because we’d have to be some sort of Hyper-Police State to do so – where everyone is under constant surveillance by his own personal cop.
    Even if it’s politically inspired, the perpetrator is still insane.
    And, ultimately, we don’t know the “reasons” or the “whys” simply because the gov’t feeds us some bullshit about the “reasons” and “whys.”

    (just playing the devil’s advocate)

    izlamo delenda est …

  30. My problem with Las Vegas is I don’t believe the “Who”. The “Who” is who you shoot.
    Where the “WHY” becomes important is the Gun Debate. I would say profiling the next psycho but they have a ton of history and they’re not doing so hot.

  32. MSM now reporting, maybe falsely, that Kelley repeatedly passed criminal background checks for firearms purchases and security guard licenses despite one year jail time and 2 domestic violence convictions which should have disqualified him.

    Fake news, or something is seriously wrong with the databases. Or both.

    And this was definitely an angry Atheist “living his faith”. If this was an ex-in-law murder suicide, he’d have gone to their house, the setting for all his grievances. And without the mask.

    Both the civilian heroes deserve medals and big cash awards. From PDT himself.

    Also time for National Carry Reciprocity, which can be pushed through any time with a decree from ATF.
    Also time for a national voluntary Deputization program for those with CCW permits.
    Voluntary, limited to emergencies, with required uniform training nationwide.
    Similar to the post-9.11 deputization of airline pilots. Volunteers were screened and authorized to carry in the cockpit.

  33. Of course. It couldn’t at all be due to the fact that this guy was an anti-Trump, self hating anti-white member of Antifa with active participation in BLM and other Soros funded groups. Beh, lies.

  34. @The Mule;
    Actually, there is one state that does have a firearm license, and that is Illinois. They have a FOID card that must be presented before the purchase of any kind of firearm AND/OR ammunition.

  35. domestic violence perps usually stalk – isn’t it funny he didn’t know they were there?

    Could it be that he targeted the church because he knew it was there (and his ex-mom-in-law harped on him coming to a service?) thus making it a hate action rather than a domestic violence action. Sorry domestic violence actions usually don’t mean you bring down the plane to get one target.

  38. I’m sorry, “authorities,” but framing this incident committed by a ranting anti-Christian atheist with a violent background as a domestic dispute smells like bovine scat to me.

  40. atheism is a false believe. A lie. You can know there is God. He can appear to you. But you can’t KNOW there isn’t one. You can only speculate.

    Nihilism is what this guy suffers from. He blames God.

    Read Cain and Able. It’s a really old tale and it isn’t hard to understand.

  42. @jpm.
    I was reminded in the most simple way of the existence of God last Spring. I was shocked to find my parsley plant covered in caterpillars. First instinct was to destroy them. But I looked them up instead.

    They go from rather ornate caterpillars to
    pupae to beautiful swallowtail butterflies.

    I guess they just evolved that way.

    Bullshit.

    I need to plant more parsley so I get more butterflies next year.

  43. @PHenry, beautiful. Wish I could give it 100 upvotes. I’ll be passing that along.

    I’ll be thinking of you at the VA polls tomorrow. BTW I just saw an anti-Northram tv ad re: restoring voting rights to Felons. Very effective ad.

  44. According to classmates he was always weird and an atheist. I read that it was actually his wife that taught a Bible class not him.

    Regardless he was an atheist who hated Christians and then killed Christians. It was more than a domestic dispute.

    If it had been a black church then they would have said it was a racial crime, even if he had only shot an in-law. If it was a mosque it would have been said it was an attack on Muslims.

    Since it’s a white Christian Church full of those icky rural folks, nothing to see here because it’s three strikes, rural, white and Christian.

    Screw them all this should have woke up those folks and they have guns and will be ready the next time.

  45. Admittedly, I haven’t read other posts first, but here it is:

    Tired of the same ol’ same ol’. It’s abundantly apparent and obvious – Banning libs from owning or buying any firearms is the only way to go.

    A shoot-on-sight kind of law. See a lib with a gun? Shoot it. You’re covered if any public admission of libtardedness is on record.

    Level “peace” obtained.

    Problems solved.

  46. Because everyone knows people always have exactly one motivation for each thing they do.

    Was this bonehead elected to his cushy gummint job? If not, who appointed him?

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