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Buttigieg Has His Head Up His A** When It Comes to Electric Vehicles

Wednesday, 20 July 2022, 14:30 Dr. Tar Uncategorized 23

Representative Tom Massie got on the transportation secretary over the strain electric vehicles mean to the power gride during recent testimony before congress. Here

Pete Buttigieg did no better when confronted with the price tag the typical family would face when purchasing an electric vehicle by Representative Scott Perry. Here

23 Comments on Buttigieg Has His Head Up His A** When It Comes to Electric Vehicles

  3. Read over at moonbat site that a dad bought his 17 yo daughter a compact Ford electric.Had 60K on it. Battery died after a few weeks…. Went to Ford dealer.Dealer said battery is 14k$! .Oh, BTW we don’t have any at this time.Car Max offered dad $500.

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  4. …I’ll let these folks tell their own story, a cautionary tale for EVs is ever there was one…

    “The Florida family says the Ford Focus Electric they bought had 60,000 miles and worked great for about six months. After that, problems mounted.

    “It was fine at first,” teenager Avery Siwinski said to KVUE. “I loved it so much. It was small and quiet and cute. And all the sudden it stopped working. The Ford dealership had advised us that we could replace the battery. It would only cost $14,000.”

    That’s $3,000 more than they paid for the EV, and the quote did not include the labor costs. It turned out that this is a pretty common problem with the Ford Focus EV. But that’s not even the real problem. Even if the Siwinskis were willing and able to pay the price, there wasn’t any replacement battery available to order.”

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/florida-family-discovers-that-used-electric-vehicles-are-a-risk-not-worth-assuming-193848.html

    No.
    Battery.
    Ever.

    I’ve worked with industrial electric vehicles for 27 years.

    This happens ALL THE TIME.

    Now they have an $11,000 hazardous waste disposal problem.

    Good luck with that.

    https://youtu.be/_asNhzXq72w

    Don’t buy electric. The tech just isn’t there for normal consumer use.

    And those bastards plan to block the Sun anyway, which will screw up solar AND wind to charge your thing with. See previous article,

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  8. HAHA. Saw an electric Beamer in the classifieds recently for cheap (relatively speaking). Pretty sure it was because the battery was ready to DIE… HARD. HAHAHA. I crack myself up.

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  11. The biggest problem with electric cars is energy storage. There’s no nice way to do it without toxic and dangerous chemicals and rare earths from countries that hate us, and these are also heavy so you waste a ton of energy just lugging your energy storage around.

    I’ve worked with automated guided vehicles (AGVs) in a factory setting for many years and several iterations, and I can tell you from experience that battery manufacturers get bored making this or that battery, and it gets ever more costly to make the one that fits your specific vehicle, and eventually they quit making it altogether.

    And it’s very specific to the vehicle. Being a major source of the vehicle’s overall weight, it has to conform in mass and shape to fit the vehicle designed around it, as any changes beyond certain parameters may affect the vehicle’s traction, center of gravity, and other handling characteristics. You also need to deal with the fact that charging them produces explosive gases, that they can leak unpleasant things that can melt your face off, and that you need to be careful about how you charge them as – depending on the SPECIFIC chemistry of your battery, if it’s lead acid, nickel cadmium, nickel metal hydride, lithium ion, etc., it may produce a “memory” and SHARPLY reduce your range if you don’t completely deplete the battery before the next charge.

    How they die can vary too, with Lithium Ion being the worst. A good lithium battery will keep at full voltage until it dies all at once, so volt meters do not work to monitor them properly, you simply know they are dead when your vehicle abruptly powers down. Other types may gradually lose power over time, which is easier to monitor but may start making your electronics act wiggy as they don’t have full power and start to work incorrectly as a result.

    And this is INDUSTRIAL vehicles. It’s WORSE in CONSUMER vehicles, because the car is basically built around the battery package, which makes it muy difficil to replace if, say, a single plate separates and makes the whole thing fail, as can happen because IT’S IN A MOVING VEHICLE, and ONLY the OEM will be able to do that for you, so they can pretty much name their price. Also, it has to be pretty, which isn’t efficient, not blow up in a residential garage, which limits your charging options, and at least give you a chance of not dying of toxic gases in the cabin, so your vehicle sealing and venting is going to be an issue as it ages and a bit more critical than in a gasoline engine.

    Plus, they’ve been known to burst into flames in an accident.

    I remember more than once being at an accident scene as a responder and forcing the hood on a smoldering car open, only to find the top post battery for starting the car had both posts touch the hood as a result of the collision, and welded itself to the hood, which makes it pretty heavy and dangerous to open, plus it’s probably in flames at this point, blowing out acidic steam and flaming plastic in random directions as it drips molten lead onto your turnouts. Fun, fun.

    And that’s the old-school, 12v batteries that are only slightly bigger than a toaster.

    Now make that the width of the vehicle, sit on top of it, and have someone slam into your side to see what happens THEN.

    ESPECIALLY entertaining if you have cool features like retractable door handles that don’t work when your electrical system is damaged, so no one can get you out as you slowly start to roast, as has actually happened…

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/tesla-fatal-crash-lawsuit-florida-door-handle-14556744.php

    And that’s BEFORE you get into mood swings in people who make the CHARGERS, and how long the Chinese will make the diode bridge for THAT application is problematic, too.

    …so, for these and many other reasons, I’m not a fan. I haven’t even gotten into the range issues and time you have to be at your destination to charge, but as I tend to do, this is again already too long, so that’s a different subject for another time…

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  13. The solution is simple. Install diesel generators in houses with EVs and all public charge stations. That way EV owners can drive their cars with abundant electricity and still claim they are part of the solution to the existential crisis of climate change.

    Silly as it sounds, it is actually more efficient than burning coal at a power plant however many miles away and losing a significant percentage of that generated power in transmission.

    Plus a diesel generator top-of-the-line model for whole house power cost around $18,000 which is cheaper, much cheaper, than the $100k+ price to convert a house to solar with adequate power storage.

    What’s $18k? The claim $20k is a tiny insignificant price to pay for an EV above the price of a gas car, as that $20k will be recouped by not paying high gas prices. But if you do the math, since it cost around $30 to charge an electric car at a charging station (that will only increase in price from today), you’re saving $70 over a $100 gas fill-up. That’s 285 fill-ups, at 400 miles per fill-up you would recoup the $20k at 114,000 miles; Just in time to buy a new car! Nevermind that EVs rip through tires, suspension and brakes, increasing maintenance cost, as they are much heavier vehicles. Plus stupid things like retractable door handles, and 2x the number of chips, there’s no right to repair, parts availability, maintenance cost (and time) is a NIGHTMARE for EV owners.

    Myself, if I was stupid enough to buy an EV (or forced to buy one), not wanting to be restricted by range or time, I’d put a diesel generator on a trailer and tow it everywhere.

    The concept of EV cars is absurd. But it continues because it’s heavily subsidized. You pay for it, you get more of it. I will admit there are specific circumstances where an EV makes absolute sense, the problem is our government wants a single solution for everyone (like a vaccine), and that’s non sensible. Return to a free market and these things would fail harder than Joe Biden.

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  18. The first electric powered light aircraft to be certified in Europe was the Pipestral Velis Electro…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipistrel_Velis_Electro

    It has an endurance of 50 minutes. In comparison, my 1971 Cessna 150L has an endurance of 4.5 hours, which is considered feeble for normal general aviation aircraft. This PoS plane cost over $200k and can only be used for touch and go training, followed by hours of recharging, as compared to a normal plane which can be refueled in minutes after flying for six hours and then fly six hours again.

    So… Fucking… Stupid.

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  19. Battery technology is now trending toward plentiful Sodium and away from rare Lithium. Lithium, FWIW, now has a LiFePo4 variant which has some advantages (mainly being a lot less ‘splody). So, maybe in a decade or so, we can have decent, cheap batteries for vehicles. Meanwhile, give me the fuckin’ GAS!

  23. @ecp July 20, 2022 at 3:31 pm

    > a diesel generator top-of-the-line model for whole house power cost around $18,000 which is cheaper, much cheaper, than the $100k+ price to convert a house to solar with adequate power storage

    But who’ll pay for The Grid!? The Smart(TM) Grid!? Smarter than … something. If you can live without The Grid?

    Oh! And “diesel”!? That filth you can cook up in your “own” garage!? Like hooch!?

    What kind of NAZI are YOU!?

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