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Coming In Hot!

Wednesday, 19 February 2025, 20:00 Dr. Tar Uncategorized 46

ABC News

New, dramatic video shows the moment Delta Flight 4819 caught fire and rolled over upon landing at Toronto Pearson International Airport Monday afternoon.

This video — which was given to investigators, who are now reviewing it — shows the plane reach the ground, erupt in flames, bounce on the runway and then overturn.

The aircraft came to a stop upside-down on the snow covered Toronto runway. More

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The aircraft was a Bombardier crj700 (Canadian manufacturer) and this was the third incident this year already for the “CRJ family”. Here

46 Comments on Coming In Hot!

  5. CRJ’s are fine. It’s the pilots… They appear to have dived at the runway, the question is why? You can see the nose pitch down, they might have caught a gust and started to stall, but that’s a “TOGA” and go around kind of event. Instead, they pitch down, land short of the target zone, and hit hard enough to collapse the landing gear. At that point the wing auger’s in and gets ripped off, and the left wing flips the plane.

    The company chartering that plane is DEI obsessed, and like to cheer themselves for “unmanned” flights with all female crews. You’ll notice we still have no info on the pilots, names, hours, etc… It’ll come out eventually. Canada may even try to cover it up, but since it’s a US origin flight, the NTSB will be involved and subject to FOIA.

    KR

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  8. @Brad – “…SHE, slammed that thing….”

    That’s what I saw too. Planes come in with their tail down and their nose up. She came in flat – practically slamming the aircraft into the ground.

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  11. The most exciting (bumpy!) flight I was on had two blondes in the cockpit. It was a December flight, just after dark, flying over the Cascades from Pasco, WA to Seattle in a 35-seat twin turboprop. Nothing you can do about the weather, but the pilots did a fine job. So I have no problem with women pilots.
    But when they are the pilots for reasons other than being the most highly-skilled, I will find another airline.
    I think this comment from Bonchie said it all:
    https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/1891828443827802527

    “They will have the feet per minute recorded for when it hit and it’s gonna be sky high. That was a hard landing with basically no flare.

    This is gonna end up pilot error.”

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  12. I can hear it now, “I thought that was the altimeter” . Nope. That’s airspeed.
    Everyone should boycott the shit out of any airline that has ever embraced DEI. Your life may depend on it.

    Gotta say, the memes have been freaking hilarious.

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  16. I’ll concur the sink rate was too high. The landing gear for the last 40+ years has been designed to “fuse” (break away) and not rupture the fuel tanks. That appears to be a fail. Although there are limits to the “fusing.”

    Human error, piloting and probably altimeter atmospheric pressure errors, though larger airplanes use radio altimiters (radar).

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  18. My brother in law recently retired from Southwest as a Captain. At is
    retirement party we met this little Hispanic woman that was his fav co
    pilot. She was a retired Navy pilot. Had logged countless hours with
    Southwest. And made Captain the same week my brother in law retired. I’m sure she could handle that job as well as just about any man. But these individuals are not who the DEI morons are seeking out. They seem to be fixated on hiring the most unqualified person they can find and intentionally placing them in positions where they will eventually fail. And when they fail people usually do die. These DEI freaks need to be held accountable.
    The CEO of this Delta contractor has said he will not release the Captains name because it might adversely effect their career. This guy needs to be grabbed by the collar and bitch slapped until some brain cells start working. This is clearly pilot error.

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  19. Contrary to comments above, the pilot did not “slam” the airplane into the ground. Navy carrier pilots slam their planes down onto the flight deck; there are lots of videos of what a slam looks like.

    This pilot appears to have been on a reasonably good approach: rate of descent within limits, airspeed proper given crosswind and gusting, glide path also within limits but a little shorter (earlier) than optimum but nothing that would be a problem.

    What the videos show is what I said earlier: the pilot did not flare but simply flew the plane into the ground. There is no obvious good reason she did that (yes, “she” did that). Without a flare the rate of descent was too high for that right landing gear to absorb (but maybe a maintenance issue there).

    The analyst at @Kali Refugee’s link mentioned something I hadn’t seen or considered: drifting snow right at runway surface making visual cues for altitude indefinite. If the pilot was using her eyeballs to tell her when to flare instead of radar altimeter, plus coming in just a little bit short, she might have thought she had another few seconds to lift the nose. That might explain it, but it doesn’t change it away from PILOT ERROR in my book.

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  20. Uncle Al

    Ure killing me, and I know you’re smarter than that. I build this shit. What percentage of weight difference do you thing there is between an F 18 and a commercial airliner? I mention F18 because F35’s now land vertically. Not very well, but that’s the intent. There’s no Fing way you could build a landing gear structure to withstand how hard she smacked that runway considering that load. I still love you, but I strongly disagree with where you’re going with this.
    And they don’t land commercial planes visually.

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  23. @Uncle Al,

    The burning question is why the nose pitch down several seconds before contact. I suspect that’s the key. Something wasn’t right and I bet we’re going to hear a stall warning horn or a stick shaker, or a “my aircraft” call from the Captain… It’s too big a correction at that point in the approach to cover up.

    On the flare… FWIW, I’m under the impression the CRJ has a very mild flare profile. Not that there’s anything like a flare presenting here, but that might be another indication that the pilot was behind in controlling the aircraft for one reason or another.

    KR

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  24. @Brad — And you’re killing me back! 🥸 And I know you’re far more experienced in the engineering and build of aircraft bits and pieces. But if you think that the weight difference is the important thing that distinguishes a carrier capable twin engine fighter/attack aircraft and a commercial airliner, then you’re really shocking me down to my boots (OK, zoris at the moment). It’s the kinetic energy to be absorbed on landing and the length of time within which that has to happen, followed immediately by braking forces, that really matter. Actual weight is a component needed to analyze that but it’s only one piece.

    She flew that plane into the runway as though the runway wasn’t there. Her rate of descent was normal but didn’t change into a flare. That’s simply not the same as saying she slammed the plane into the ground. Maybe we’re hung up on a word definition disagreement, but to me to slam means to exert unusual force or take unusual action to bring two objects into energetic/violent contact.

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  25. The nose pitch down angle and rate I saw in the video @Kali Refugee posted are fairly consistent with gusty crosswinds, and her airspeed was high enough to include the additional gust factor to avoid stalling. Of course I could be wrong but I’ll be very surprised if she was anywhere near stalling (there was no sign of a stall in the video taken from the cockpit of the waiting aircraft).

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  27. @Brad,

    Not a fair comparison. The F-18 with carrier “abuse” rated landing gear comes in at around 36,000 lbs, and the CRJ900 is 80k+… Otherwise agree. The fact that you can see the gear at least try and rebound is… Probably testament to Goodyear, but… We shall see. 🙂

    KR

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  33. So I guess you’re not going to bed.

    What’s this mean to you? Sounds like a comparison to me. Yes? No?

    “Contrary to comments above, the pilot did not “slam” the airplane into the ground. Navy carrier pilots slam their planes down onto the flight deck; there are lots of videos of what a slam looks like.”

    I’m out

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  37. If/when you’re focused on DEI, you are not focusing on your core deliverable. At the end of my career the focus was on DEI and it manifested in declining quality in the core deliverable. It takes time away from important things, a lot of time. But most importantly and this is something I never hear referenced is it negatively affects the attitude of everyone except the DEI hires and those who are profiting off of it. It is absolutely destructive to morale of those who got their positions based on their professional qualifications. It may boost morale among DEI hires, but rarely, if ever, do they have a net contribution to the core deliverable. And I anyone doesn’t like hearing that it’s too goddamn bad.

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  38. Kali Refuge

    “ It’s 19/F outside in Central Texas”
    You need to read this carefully. Your life’s in danger. You need to find at least two large breasted women, get naked, and get in bed. Body heat is the only thing that will save you now. I do the same thing in Cali every time the temp drops below 59F. And yes I’m still alive. Good luck buddy

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  39. Came in too fast, didn’t flare, hit damn hard, right landing gear sheared off and it flipped.
    Good thing it was almost empty of fuel, could have been much worse, nobody DEId this time.
    Snow and low fuel, two things the pilots had little control over, saved their ass.

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  43. Joe6pak I’ve never known anyone to go through brakes like my sister. She once bumped a curb and not only blew the tire but completely destroyed the wheel as well. In a 25 mph subdivision. Needless to say, when I ride with her, I buckle up.

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