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Cruz Still On the Wrong Side With Trade

Monday, 28 March 2016, 15:43 BFH Uncategorized 83

He’s on the wrong side of TPA as well.

It’s like some conservatives have a blind spot ——>

83 Comments on Cruz Still On the Wrong Side With Trade

  2. It’s what his masters in the GOPe/CofC want-his donors backing his Super Pacs too.

    You think the silence of McConnell as well as the support of numerous Republican senators and governors is cheap??? Old Teddy has got to show exactly where his loyalties lie.

    They’ll let him ramble on about “patrolling” moslim neighborhoods all he wants but when trillions are at stake, and they are, they want it perfectly clear where he’s going to come down.

    This shows better then just about anything the difference between having and not having pacs.

  3. I saw on a website this weekend that Mrs. Cruz was one of the people who put together the NAFTA trade deal. I didn’t realize until I saw that that companies like Goldman Sacks (sp) have a hand in these trade deals, and then the light kind of went on for me that Ted Cruz is their Senator in DC.

  4. What MM and Gladys said.

    Club For Growth.
    OMG

    And this guy still sells himself as an “outsider” rebel?!?
    He’s a good actor, I’ll hand him that.

  5. And again we get the conflation of TPA and TPP, which are two entirely different things. Been there, debated that.

    While I agree that Free Trade as practiced now is not working and needs to be changed, I don’t think the answer is outright protectionism. It never works to have the government set prices or create new taxes to set prices.

    A better solution is to remove the reasons for why manufacturing left and why companies have chosen to move. When you look at the load of regulations, taxes, and bureaucratic overhead that it takes to operate here it’s no wonder they leave.

    If Cruz’s plan is to remove and eliminate the barriers that are preventing America from being able to compete on those playing fields and lure those companies back then it might be the way to go. If, however, his intent is status quo and things remaining as they are now then it’s a no go.

    This interview would have been a great opportunity to enumerate those ideas, but instead he didn’t and stuck to lines that lead you to them. He needs to get in front of this and layout details of his plan to handle the trade issue. Doing so would neuter Trump and eliminate the issue.

  6. That’s why the title is that Cruz is STILL on the wrong side of this every important issue.
    He hasn’t changed his position, and it’s horrible.

    This is featured in the New Froglegs.

  9. I am with Menderman. This interview is old and before a lot changed. My position is still the same and I checked to see if anything had changed in Cruz’s positions from what I knew before commenting further.

    In his most recent statement on “Free Trade” and the TPP as well he holds the same positions he has previously given and that are acceptable since he isn’t being a reactionary like Trump and reaching for price fixing through Tariffs.

    So what gives?

    Oh and here is Cruz’s most recent comment (03/10/16) on the subject. I would love to know with what you take issue here;

    And when it comes to trade, look, free trade, when we open up foreign markets, helps Americans. But we’re getting killed in international trade right now. And we’re getting killed because we have an administration that’s doesn’t look out for American workers and jobs are going overseas. We’re driving jobs overseas.

    And the people who are losing out are in manufacturing jobs, or the steel industry or the auto industry. But I’ll tell you who else is going to be losing out, which is the service industry. This Obama administration is negotiating the Trade in Services Agreement which is another treaty to allow services to come in and take jobs from Americans as well.

    And you’ve got to understand. Trade and immigration are interwoven, and they are hurting the working men and women of this country. So the question is, what’s the solution? It’s easy to talk about the problems. But do you have a solution to fix it? And I think the solution is several things.

    Number one, we need to negotiate trade deals protecting American workers first, not the corporate board room. Number two, we need to lift the regulations on American businesses here so we see jobs coming back. And number three, we need a tax plan like the tax plan I’ve introduced that will not tax exports and that will tax imports, and that will bring millions of high-paying jobs back to America.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/10/politics/republican-debate-transcript-full-text/index.html

  10. I don’t know what classes Laura took, but she slept through history and economics.
    China is not the first country to try to game the system with currency manipulation, and won’t be the last to go broke doing it.
    The last country to try this was Japan, and their economy never recovered. They were lucky, as many countries have gone belly up doing it.
    Back when Japan was doing it, all the same morons were flailing about. Japan is going to own us!
    China’s economy is already hitting the skids. That is why there is huge capital flight from there at the moment.
    When China can no longer afford to sell to us at a loss the whole house of cards will collapse.

  12. Despite Woody’s pedestrian rebuttal, TPP and TPA are intertwined.
    Congress has to pass TPA to even get to TPP. And Obama must carve out favorable provisions for America in TPP to get TPA.

    One of the things most conservatives want is for Obama to stipulate in TPP that Asian countries not be allowed to manipulate their currency to skew the Trade agreements in their favor.

    Cruz is not concerned. He is not one of the senators asking for this and he was on board with giving Obama fast track (TPA).

    Why?

    As Cruz tells farmers that he’s on their side, Jeff Sessions has been sounding the alarm.

    One of the negotiations that Asia yielded on was they would remove tariffs on automobiles in order to keep in place tariffs on agriculture.

    The farmers would be screwed and what would we be getting?
    ZIPPO, because our car manufacturing is moving to Mexico and Canada.

    Cruz is wrong and he’s lying to farmers.

  16. In ’08 when the feds were talking about bailing out the banks a commenter at a blog I was active on claimed that he didn’t have to worry about bailing out any financial institutions or F500 corps because he didn’t have any stock. I was embarrassed to know there were people who couldn’t make the connection between where the gov’t got the money to bail out private entities and those entities. I am embarrassed again to know there are people who cannot make the connection between the importance of U.S. trade agreements and the health of business in America. Hell yes, you give your major trade “partners” the ability to manipulate their currency, provide a tax climate that doesn’t oppress U.S. manufacturers, have maybe 20% of the regulations that exist here, and guess where all the production and jobs are headed?

    Ted Cruz and his friends have either never created a single job (outside of gov’t) or the jobs they’ve created are anywhere but here. So I ask you, what the hell good is someone who can, as Joe Dan points out, recite the constitution when the main problems are our economy, jobs, really awful trade deals, regulation (especially crippling regs from the EPA), an oppressive and punishing tax structure, etc.? How can Cruz, who is a gov’t lifer with zero experience with American business grasp these fundamental problems when he is clearly not understanding what TPP can do to us? He can’t. And once you hear him basically lying about his position(s) on trade — trying to accuse anyone who is not behind TPA — as being against trade, you realize he’s a puke globalist who fundamentally agrees the U.S. doesn’t have the right to protect its businesses or the people who own them and work for them.

  17. I looked up the bill in the 2011 video. It was called “Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011”. It passed Reids senate 63-35, and never got a vote in Boehners House. Unions were for it.

    Best I can tell it has been reintroduced every year since then with no results.

    What I am trying to understand is what does the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011 have to do with TPP and TPA? Or are you saying Cruz is wrong on all 3 issues?

  18. Gee,

    Despite Woody’s pedestrian rebuttal, TPP and TPA are intertwined. Congress has to pass TPA to even get to TPP. And Obama must carve out favorable provisions for America in TPP to get TPA.

    Ahh, not so oh knowledgeable one. TPA is not required to get to TPP other than as is stated by trading partners. Quote;

    And even though some pro-TPA rhetoric is exaggerated, the legislation still has value for at least one big reason: U.S. trading partners take it seriously and won’t sign off on a final deal with the United States until TPA’s in place.

    So while it all comes down to perception of our partners and what they will or won’t do without TPA being passed, it is not a legal requirement to negotiate and implement a trade treaty.

    Sorry if this is too low for you, but you are being a little disingenuous. TPA pertains to the method involved for negotiating any trade deal during its time enacted. Even T-TIP, which is the next deal to negotiate after TPP is affected.

    Also, passing TPA does NOT make anything automatic when it comes to passing TPP. In fact TPA requires disclosure to Congress of negotiations as they occur. It requires the President to actually tell Congress what he is up to rather than allowing him to hide it until the last minute as he has tried to do so far.

    So to claim a vote for one is a vote for the other means you are saying a vote for TPA is a vote for any future Trade Deal that might be negotiated until the current TPA expires, which is an absolute ludicrous claim to make here.

  20. China is not part of TPP.
    That is why China has responded by giving it’s puppets talking points that are being repeated here by people with no actual idea of what TPP is.
    All that matters is that it will hurt China, so the left has it’s panties in a wad.
    The opposition to TPP that are unwitting (or witting) dupes for China make their status clear by bringing up China when discussing it.
    It’s OK to not know about, or understand something, but parroting talking points created by the left is the opposite of being informed.

  21. AA,

    Government does NOT create jobs !!

    Never has, never will other than bureaucratic jobs paid for from the taxes taken from those who have real jobs.

    If you somehow think putting a sleazy crony capitalist into Government where he has already had his fingers anyway is going to somehow result in magically created jobs than you are misguided.

    Trump has thrived off the bureaucracy. It has been his bread and butter means of doing business and acquiring wealth by using government to undercut his competition. He has no plans whatsoever to reduce its size or to reduce its power.

    Jobs have left thanks to the government’s overreach. To the over regulation and power it has taken for itself over business. As such businesses have either gone bankrupt or left the country for better arrangements. That is where the jobs went. If we want them back then we need to make our government smaller, allow competition, enforce the laws we have when it comes to how business is done, and stop allowing the government to pick the winners and losers.

    Trump has not one plan to fix this situation. In fact he plans to make it worse by punishing the little guy in this country through the use of tariffs.

    Cruz has declared plans to eliminate entire departments within the government, to eliminate the complex tax system that favors the cronies, and to overall reduce the size and reach of our current government. That is how jobs come back. By creating a fertile garden and then allowing business to grow. Not by trying to use government to create jobs as you seem to hope Trump will magically go if elected.

  23. Your top video up there is about China. It leads off with China, and discusses China’s Currency manipulation. Froglegs kept talking about China.

    You started the topic by posting a vid calling out Ted on China and how wrong he was about China.

    You brought up China.

  26. BFH,

    “chicken/egg” huh, I think you need to reread my post or maybe just read it through might be a better way of putting it.

    Also I think you need to read up more on the details of what TPA is and what it contains because you appear to have the pedestrian view of it that you want to assign me.

    TPA does not guarantee TPP, but it does give negotiators the position from which to engage the trading partners since they will not come to the table without it for any future trade deal.

    TPP still has to be completed and presented to Congress for votes. Also if anything presented in the updates to Congress during its negotiations is different from what is finally presented it will meet with defeat. As such it provides a window into what is happening rather than leaving the negotiations in total darkness.

    But the TPA also covers the T-TIP negotiations and future as yet to be started trade negotiations.

    Shall I include a link to reading that you are evidently in need of currently or can you find it for yourself?

  28. So Trump’s play is to slam the door shut or charge the consumer a fee to allow them to sneak goods from a “bad country” in the door here.

    Cruz’s plan is to dress up the place and work to get the businesses to want to come back here where they can both make their product and sell their product, both here and overseas for the same or a similar profit as they have now.

    And so here we are worried here about votes for a law to require open negotiations by the current President that will be followed by presenting any trade deal negotiated to Congress with Republican majorities and also being an election year. We are not worried about votes for any trade deal, only about the law regarding how the trade deal is negotiated and then presented to Congress.

    Call me when the trade deal has been presented because at this point it’s a big fat nothing burger.

    Never have so few tried so hard to read so much into so little…..

  29. TPA does not guarantee TPP>>>>

    Who is saying that?
    Who said this? No one did.

    Here is what I wrote —
    TPP and TPA are intertwined.

    I said this in response to your assertion that TPA and TPP are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS.
    They are not in the sense that they are not looked upon by the hill as bills in a vacuum.

    I said:

    Congress has to pass TPA to even get to TPP. And Obama must carve out favorable provisions for America in TPP to get TPA.

    Read the article I linked. It says exactly what I am saying.

    You also say:

    “And again we get the conflation of TPA and TPP.

    Who is conflated the 2 as if they are the same thing?
    No one did.

    You’re very good at arguing points no one has made.

  30. If you somehow think putting a sleazy crony capitalist into Government where he has already had his fingers anyway is going to somehow result in magically created jobs than you are misguided.>>>
    Finally, you said something bad about Cruz.

    I was starting to think he was your Prophet Muhammad.

  36. No Menderman, because currency manipulation of other countries besides China is a concern of senators and congressman against TPP.
    So, why should it be left out?

    You get hung up on the strangest things and then can’t let it go.

  37. I’m not in any Trump cult.
    Want me to reiterate all the things wrong with Trump?
    I’ve done it before, I can do it again, gladly.
    It seems that when I point out what I think are Cruz deficiencies, certain people are personally offended, even when these deficiencies have been pointed out by people who have ENDORSED CRUZ.

    Mike Lee for one.
    Justin Amash is another.

    Go fling poo at them, okay.
    because I have no time for cultists.
    I’m discussing policies, others are gazing, it seems, at posters with tats and muscles.

    I would ask the question of these people, “what are some negatives of candidate Cruz, ” but I’m frightened that they’d say his pants aren’t tight enough.

    And I say this as someone who is prepared to go full bore in support of Cruz in the general.

  38. Perhaps, but I am not very concerned about either TPA or TPP. Half of what I read I like, half I don’t, so that part is a non-issue for me. Also, after watching over 30 minutes of video associated with this thread, I though China was the topic.

    Y’all carry on.

  39. BFH,

    “Finally, you said something bad about Cruz.

    I was starting to think he was your Prophet Muhammad.”

    Really, does this mean you are now claiming that Cruz has actually worked outside of government ?

    Sorry BFH, there is only ONE Crony Capitalist in this race and it ain’t Cruz…..

    Nice try though, if only I hadn’t used Crony Capitalist it might have worked….. 😉

  41. My point is that there is evidence of cult-like behavior on both sides that post on this blog.
    The venom spewed toward Cruz is epic and deranged.
    It is quite amazing, he is Lucifer to some here.
    They know who they are.

    Fur, I consider you as a moderator who tries to remain objective.
    You succeed more than you fail at that endeavor.

    I have misgivings about Cruz and understand he is not perfect.
    I have similar issues with Trump, albeit different concerns.

    Trade deals would make another great topic of debate between the two.
    Kasich can man the bar while the actual contenders spar.

  42. So it’s a Cruz deficiency in your book that he voted for TPA, fine.

    That’s your opinion and I for one respect that, but it doesn’t do anything for me because I worry more about passing TPP and that hasn’t happened.

    You seem driven to require any Cruz supporter to have the same opinion of TPA as you have or else they are not seeing him as having faults.

    To me Cruz is a man like any other man. I am sure he has faults, but none that make him a bad candidate. If you want to compare faults between Trump and Cruz combining your opinion of those faults that might be interesting.

    This constant barrage of Cruz is wrong because he voted for TPA is getting nowhere because many don’t see it as you do. You seem determined to force the view that a vote for TPA was a vote for TPP, but it isn’t regardless of the opinion of folks at Redstate or anywhere else.

    It still does require an actual vote on TPP to declare that someone voted for TPP.

    I think you get push back from Cruz supporters because you seem to focus in large measure on a fault with Cruz, but a fault in Trump or even something major about Trump gets rather less focus.

    The Washington Post editorial interview that was released where Trump got distracted and had problems answering questions or showed that he either had no position or was confused, where was that focused on. The interview this morning where Trump admitted that his 45% Tariff was a bluff, how will that harm his ability to negotiate when no trading partner can trust anything he say. There was another interview yesterday where Trump basically said he needed to be unpredictable, which might even go to war and not a trade ware. No focus on that.

    No instead here we are being shown 5 year old interviews and told how Cruz is a “bad boy” for voting for TPA and this means he is on the wrong side of the trade issue even though his stated position from the last debate, which I post above, is completely about protecting American workers. It is almost the same as Trump, minus the tariffs.

  43. The agricultural negotiator for the TPP is former Monsanto lobbyist Islam Siddiqui. The farmer will definitely be screwed over. When Monsanto sues a farmer over GMO violations it aint pretty, farmer usually winds up paying mega bucks and usually goes out of business. Im all for paying them their technology fees but once a farmer buys that bag of seed it should be theirs to do with what they want.

  44. Certainly let’s not listen to an actual farmer on this issue. It’s not like they understand Asian AG lockout on imports.

    Also, only an outsider can be a crony capitalist?
    (Very, very weird and strange comment. But I’ll educate myself. I’m sure you’re right.)

    My point is that Cruz was in the minority conservative opinion on TPP and TPA, and at the time is was a concern. Now, suddenly, it’s the correct opinion and we all need to educate ourselves on the issue. Hail Cruz, Peace Be Upon Him.

    And if you argue the point, TPA and TPP becomes a “nothing burger.”
    Hokay.

    Whatever. You win. Cruz walks on water. We’re all stupid. We need to bask in Cruz light and then will understand there is nothing at all to worry about.
    Trust. Faith. Blinders.

    I will be voting for him, however.
    Even if he cheated on his wife and killed a puppy and has syphilis.
    Why?

    Because Hillary.
    I’m not insane.

  45. I haven’t read either one (TPP or TPA) but I’m reasonably certain that ANYTHING produced in the fever swamp of DC is BAD for America.

    PERIOD.

    Both the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks are working towards a New International Order founded upon socialist “principles” to enslave the entirety of humanity.

    Seem a little far-fetched? Keep watching …

    izlamo delenda est …

  48. BFH,

    I don’t know if you consciously do it or what the issue is with what you respond with from my writing.

    Where is the focus on a candidate who has changed positions on multiple issues? You beat the Cruz/TPA issue like it a dead horse just in need of a little CPR.

    If Cruz had voted for TPP and it had passed or failed to pass I would be right there saying “yep, that is a major concern and he needs to come absolutely clean”. He voted for TPA only, nothing else having to do with it.

    And it was his vote for TPA alone that I described as a big fat NOTHING burger with pickles lettuce, ketchup, and mustard. A TPP vote would NOT be a nothing burger. Is that clear enough?

    Next, Cruz does NOT walk on water, he is NOT the second coming, he is NOT some savior that is going to right every wrong or even fix all the problems. I fully expect him to only be 50% successful and I fully expect him to NOT make decisions the way I would myself. He is an ordinary man with all the same faults as the rest of us, including yourself. He WILL make mistakes.

    All Cruz supporters have is trust that he will at least keep the promises he makes since he has done so in the past. He has promised to work to eliminate entire departments and laid out the plan to accomplish that task.

    I for one want to see what happens when he begins to execute that plan and departments like the EPA are dismantled. I fully expect wails and screams from the bureaucracy and it will be fun to watch.

    As for your “Trust.Faith.Blinders.” comment, WTF!!! Sorry, but if Cruz voted for TPP I would drop him quick and pull back. If Cruz were to suddenly change his position on VISAs and want to increase them, same thing. See there are many things Cruz can do to lose my support. My curious question is what could he possibly ever do to gain yours?

    Lastly, with all of Trump far more major problem will you be asking Trump supporters a similar question;

    What would it take Trump doing for him to lose their support?

  49. Woody really does a great job explaining his position. I think Fur is usually biased, not objective when he excoriates him but the point counter point is always excellent.

    I really appreciate the effort.

  54. My curious question is what could he possibly ever do to gain yours?
    >>

    Where have you been?
    I do support Cruz.

    My position is #NeverHillary.

    My beef is with people making Trump out to be a pile of dogshit, piled higher and steamier than Hillary.
    That is idiotic.
    It is derangement.

    I post stories in support of Cruz all the time.
    I post stories that put Trump in a bad light.
    I’m the editor here.
    Who do you think edited Dr. Tar’s Syke’s piece and approved it and posted it?

  55. Why is Trump upside down in negatives? He loses to Hiliary by double digits in almost every poll! And Hiliary sucks donkey ass her negatives are so bad, and Trumps negatives are worse!

    His negatives are about double that of Cruz. Why are so many people deranged? Could it be that Trump is a horrible candidate?

  56. BFH China buys and sells from us in US dollars.
    Please explain how China profits from currency manipulation.
    Also, as long as transactions are in US dollars, there is no such thing as a trade deficit as, in the end, the dollar has to be redeemed by purchasing a US good or service. (The issue of them being able to buy property or ownership positions in companies here is an altogether different problem) What it amounts to is a zero interest loan to us.
    By manipulating the currency China is lowering prices on it’s exports and raising costs on it’s imports.
    The “Buy high and sell low” business model has yet to succeed, and China is not going to be the exception.


  57. Why do Cruz colleagues not respect Cruz?

    Why is he called lyin’ Ted?

    Why are you wrong? Why is it Cruz DID support TPP?

    Answers:

    Question 1
    Maybe because he calls them liars, doesn’t let them get away with votes intended to be “show votes”, calls their bluffs as he did when Rubio and the Gang of Eight wanted to claim they were not supporting amnesty. Yeah, no reasons there. They don’t like him because he doesn’t play the game like he is supposed to once elected. Somehow I think having the Republican leadership hate you should be a positive mark for Cruz.

    Question 2
    The only reason he is called that is because Trump can’t think of anything else to say after being asked a policy question and needs to deflect and distract so he can change the topic to something more important like claims about pictures of his wife or lies about other guys having mistresses.

    Question 3
    Link please to where it shows Cruz voted for TPP. Otherwise that is mere hyperbole. He supported TPA. The closest I could find was Cruz suggesting he would support TPP if it contains what he was told it contains. Once he actually able to read it after Obama was forced to disclose what was in it, he then began saying he would not support it and would not vote for it.

  60. Reagan was way behind Carter.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/337295/

    I’ve never heard anyone ever say, “the republican candidate that is in the lead isn’t polling well against the democrat. If they win the primary I am not voting for them.”
    Never heard that ever.

    Also, the polling says Trump is 8 points behind Hillary.
    Fortunately for us we don’t have a POPULAR VOTE!!!! It’s state by state and it’s not 8 points down in each state.
    Geez.

    And it is really disgusting for someone to go around saying Trump is dogshit and then ask “why are Trump’s negatives so bad?”

    Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because of the propaganda the likes of you and the RIGHT Are Putting Out?

  63. You read wrong –

    Senator Ted Cruz voted for Cloture on TPA Fast track trade authority removing the hurdle and concern of further amendments and clearing the way for passage. Again, like “unanimous consent” cloture votes are not recorded roll call votes. Thereby Ted Cruz could obfuscate his support. He figured to hide, see how that works?

    However, Cruz advocacy could not be hidden entirely. On another bill HR 1314 Cruz voted against an amendment to the Trade Deal that would require congress to be consulted if China (or other nations) were to join after the fact:

    Senate Amendment 1251 “To require the approval of Congress before additional countries may join the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement”…

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00189

    Cruz voted NAY. Directly saying he did not want congress to be consulted before other countries, namely CHINA, could join TPP.

    ♦ Notice during November’s debate Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz were saying China is not part of TPP; contrast their voices against Donald Trump who was honestly saying TPP carries a backdoor for China (and Russia) to join.

    NOVEMBER 4th – In an interview with Russian interstate channel Mir TV, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry invited China and Russia to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

    “We invite people to come join other initiatives, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the TPP. We welcome China, we welcome Russia, we welcome other countries who would like to join, as long as they want to raise the standards and live up to the highest standards of protecting people and doing business openly and transparently and accountably,” said Secretary Kerry. (read more) State Dept Link HERE

  64. I’ve never heard the front runner call the previous President form his party a liar.

    Remember when Trump said Bush lied about WMD’s so we could have a war with Iraq?

    Remember when Trump said he loves Planned Parenthood?

    Remember when Trump said he loved the Kelo decision?

    Remember when Trump said he would order the military to kill women and children?

    That’s not from the 90’s or early 2000, that’s stuff he has said this election cycle.

    Trump is no Reagan.

  66. To the politically ignorant back and forth votes during the process of lawmaking appear to be position statements.
    That is not even wrong.
    The political process involves brinksmanship, side deals, subterfuge, yeah it is a mess.
    Like sausage, the only part worth focusing on is the end product.

  67. Please explain how China profits from currency manipulation.
    >>>>>>

    When you have a trade deal with another country and they devalue their currency, it throws the balance of trade intentionally out of whack.
    China is practicing mercantilism by making it impossible for US goods to be sold at our prices in their country, and it makes their goods impossible to compete with at US prices.
    Our factories go under, we lose jobs and China employs millions.
    The wages aren’t great, but it keeps them employed and it is burying us.

  69. I’ve never heard the front runner call the previous President form his party a liar.

    Remember when Trump said Bush lied about WMD’s so we could have a war with Iraq?>>>

    WGAF about Bush? I don’t. I know you do. I remember you get all butthurt because I told the old cow Barbara Bush to keep her wooden dentures shut when she denigrated Sarah Palin and told her to go back to Alaska.
    You have some sort of unnatural love for the Bushes.

    What difference does it make at this point??

    Remember when Trump said he loves Planned Parenthood?>>>

    Trump is anti-abortion, pro-life.

    Remember when Trump said he loved the Kelo decision?

    Yes. I’m the one that posted that.

    Remember when Trump said he would order the military to kill women and children?

    I am for bulldozing the homes of terrorist’s families. With them in them if they choose to be in it. I would warn them, and then absolutely order an airstrike and blow the shit out of the house. If there are kids in it, oh well. Too bad.
    I was for the bomb in Hiroshima. How about you, snowflake?

    That’s not from the 90’s or early 2000, that’s stuff he has said this election cycle.

    Trump is no Reagan.
    Reagan was no Reagan.

  70. BFH,

    You have said you supported Cruz. While I may not support Trump and I do take issue with his past, his methods, and his issues with the truth, I do not think he is exactly dog excrement.

    Even Trump would be better than a socialist/communist in the person of either Hillary or Bernie.

    Based on your comments above it would seem that the problem here comes down to you feeling that too many of us hate Trump and are too critical of him to the point of never voting for him even if the other choice was Hillary?

    I just don’t see tearing down Cruz to build up Trump as the means to persuade those that hate Trump, to at least vote for him if he does become the nominee. If you want folks who hate Trump that much to at least consider voting for him in the fall then Trump needs to be build up to a minimally acceptable level if that is possible.

  71. BFH,

    You read wrong –

    Really, I read what you posted above multiple times and I cannot find where it says Cruz voted for TPP.

    So now voting not to add an amendment to require Congress to be notified if China joins the TPP negotiations is tantamount to voting for TPP?

    You do realize that the Treehouse has become a “Fever Swamp” right? A place where the Truth rarely lives much less visits.

    What’s next; Cruz voted for adjournment last Christmas so he must support a law requiring everyone to say “Merry Christmas”.

    Or maybe he supports Garland for SCOTUS because he supported a resolution to honor Scalia this month.

  72. Bwaaaahhhaaaahha, You leave Cruz alone. He’s the anointed one and he’s dreamy. Like I said, the average Trump person can name a shit load of stuff they wish he would do different. Stay out of the petty fray. Cruz supporters of worship at Cruz’s feet. But then again he is the anointed one and savior to all things Mormon.

  73. BB,

    Go back to playing with your toys in the corner while the adults have discussions.

    We already know your one liners and remember it was you who said “God blessed us with Trump”. Says all we need to know about your position when it comes to who is anointed one.

  75. I just don’t see tearing down Cruz to build up Trump as the means to persuade those that hate Trump, to at least vote for him if he does become the nominee. >>

    Who is tearing down Cruz to build up Trump?

    I’m pointing out things about Cruz that are not good – in a vacuum.
    Where does the post mention Trump?

    You see, this is your failing.
    You see any positive post about Trump as an affront to Cruz, and you and company swoop in and react in kind. And wrongly.

    Conversely, you see any post critical of Cruz as boosting Trump.

    You have fanboyism,
    Get over it.

    I will support Cruz in the general wholeheartedly. Right now, in the primary, my role is to keep fucknards from poisoning Trump to the point where Hillary will look like the only clear choice.

    Let’s review:

    Trump is anti-illegal immigration
    Pro-border security
    Pro Fair Trade
    Anti abortion
    Pro 2A
    Pro military
    Anti- refugee resettlement in America
    Wants to destroy ISIS
    Wants to restructure taxes to stimulate job growth
    Wants to bring off shore money back to America
    Wants to reform the VA for our Vets

    He’s a fucking monster I tell you.
    I’m sitting out and allowing Hillary to win.

  76. TCT is rabidly pro-Trump and too anti-Cruz for my liking.

    But the piece I linked to is not opinion. It’s fact.
    It’s exactly how the voting went down and it’s exactly how Cruz hid behind procedure to cloak his support for TPP. It’s vintage Cruz.

    He voted to allow countries to be added to TPP after the fact, like China and Russia.

    Sorry.

  78. @Woody. A fever swamp? Really? They ever ban you from posting there? I doubt it. But you’ve linked to rightscoop (in the past) as if its some paragon of virtue. Rightscoop banned me and thousands of others just for speaking pro-Trump and you link to RS often. RightScoop, now thats a fever swamp.

  79. If I may chime in here, it seems that many on this site are either guilty of “tearing down Cruz to build up Trump”,
    or, tearing down Trump to build up Cruz.

    If not, the perception is such.

    I get that vibe and I am guilty of doing the same thing.

    I don’t have the answer but I am certain this is part of the problem.

  80. There are many sites and readers and commenters that are caught up in a sports mentality, like Cruz and Trump are soccer teams.

    They’ve developed this weird hatred that is out of proportion and not at all rational.

    Cruz over Hillary?
    How is this even arguable? Of course Cruz over Hillary.

    Trump over Hillary? Of course.

    Trump haters think Trump is going to do a complete about-face with what he’s saying on the stump and suddenly screw over everyone and be the biggest liar ever to ascend to the presidency.

    Talk about unhinged paranoia.

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