How Can Joy Reid Articulate the Trump Factor and NRO Remains Clueless? – IOTW Report

How Can Joy Reid Articulate the Trump Factor and NRO Remains Clueless?

Even the hapless Joy Reid can figure out why Trump is positioned where he’s positioned.

It hasn’t been just the RINOs that sold out the voters who are angry, it’s everybody.

Even TEA Party darlings who arrived in DC have strung constituents along with promises that never get fulfilled. Trey Gowdy, as well-meaning as his impassioned tirades are while cross-examining the corrupt lefties, does nothing.

It’s always, “we’ll gettem next cycle.”

“Let’s not move too fast, we’re scaring the moderates.”

“We want to do it, but it looks like we can’t.”

And the ball is advanced leftward, again. And again. And again.

I can remember people saying, “you know what? Let’s burn this mother down. I’m voting for a democrat.” Remember that?

Well, I guess Trump is the perfect “democrat.”

He’s pissing off the feckless and ineffectual elite enough to make this pleasurable to watch, and, we just may get the policies we’ve wanted in the process. It’s a potential twofer.

Why not Cruz? Well, I’ll take Cruz. But I’m not going to tear Trump down to get to Cruz. If it happens, it happens. But Cruz could still potentially be a Ryan, a Gowdy, and a disappointment. And the angry have drawn a line in the sand. “Enough. You’ll have Trump now.”

Trump might be a disappointment. But it wouldn’t be the same kind of disappointment. It would still be satisfying and productive. Maybe conservative politicians will fight tooth and nail for conservative principles in the future.

Even in the Essayist papers, many seemed embarrassed by ideas I thought were conservative. They derided Trump for saying he wants to build a wall and kick out illegals. Why is that a shameful, and un-NRO thing to say?

17 Comments on How Can Joy Reid Articulate the Trump Factor and NRO Remains Clueless?

  1. “cannot be brought back into the pen.”

    She gets it.

    Another site (cough) had an exposition on this. Toward the end was this statement; “We will not be ignored, we will not be condescended to, we will no longer accept broken promises and lies as our payment for our service to the GOP.”

    I’m completely behind that.

  2. Trump would never have gotten has campaign off the ground if the elephants that we have been voting in would even tried to live up to their campaign promises. I’ll be happy to vote Trump!

  3. His detractors keep claiming Trump is only acting and has no real ideological compass.

    OK, if true, why would he stop “acting” to please the adoring audience that elects him? What would be wrong with a guy advancing policy that’s good for the country even if he only did it for approval; to stay popular, and didn’t really care one way or the other?

    Ends justifying the means? Sometimes, they do indeed. As one regularly accused of having a “purity test” over at NRO last cycle it’s pretty gratifying to see those same ass hats spouting about “conservative purity” whatever the hell that is this week.

    The moral high ground isn’t worth a damn if your civilization lies buried there. If he will ONLY stop the immigrant flood, particularly the muzzies and safeguard the second amendment it puts him ahead of Rubio and even, arguably on a par with the less electable Cruz.

  4. Doesn’t anyone remember a man named Rudy Guiliani? He was a NYC guy, and no conservative. In fact, I’m pretty sure he had the backing of NYC’s Liberal Party when he ran the second time for mayor of NYC.
    And yet, he did all the conservative things that previous Republicans couldn’t get done. And he DRASTICALLY changed life – in what was previously the $hithole of NYC – for the better.
    There’s a lesson here, folks.

  5. “His detractors keep claiming Trump is only acting and has no real ideological compass.

    “OK, if true, why would he stop “acting” to please the adoring audience that elects him? What would be wrong with a guy advancing policy that’s good for the country even if he only did it for approval; to stay popular, and didn’t really care one way or the other?”

    If it’s true that he’s acting, what reason is there to expect he’ll attempt to deliver on what he’s promising?

    No one trusts anyone anymore, with good reason. No one is perfect BUT based on what I have read, I see more reason to trust Cruz to stand by what he says than Trump would. If you know of good reasons to take Trump’s word over Cruz’, I am SINCERELY all ears. Many of us are just tired of buying the same conservative song and dance to only end up getting screwed for it.

  6. by the time my state’s primary comes around the Trump/Cruz issue will most likely be decided. If Cruz comes in second in Iowa, he’s probably done. (Santorum won Iowa 4 years ago, Hucksterbee before that). If Trump comes in first in Iowa, it could be over by Nevada (after New Hampshire & South Carolina, where Trump is ahead in all 3 states)
    …soooooooo, I’m good with either Trump or Cruz (even if Mark Levin has been damning Trump for the past 2 weeks) … I’ll even come out for Rubio if it comes to that (God forbid)

  7. “We want to do it, but it looks like we can’t.”

    THIS is what I heard Cruz say to the Tea Partiers who showed up in DC before a obamacare vote. Or whatever that dumb rally was.

    “We want to do it, but it looks like we can’t.” “I will try, but I know it’s going no-where, so don’t expect me to be successful” “don’t set your hopes on me”.

    You had to be there. It was weird. Set the expectation of complete failure, then thank the folks for traveling hundreds of miles to rally. All with that weird, concerned scrunchy-eyebrow look.

    Seriously, who asks you to support him for doing a thing that is pointless, has no hope of being successful, and is strictly symbolic? What in hell did he sacrifice for that action? I sacrificed three days of my life, many hours of travel, hundreds of dollars and a shit ton of disappointment and disillusionment.

    But I got educated. That was priceless.

  8. We posted Doug’s graphic.
    I try to post everything I can relating to this issue.
    We put up an internal poll that was taken among the contributors.
    Every one said they’d be thrilled with a Cruz win.
    A majority said they’d also be happy with a Trump win.

    We’re not buying into the notion that Trump is an embarrassment, a stealth progressive, is going to make the world an unsafe place because of his tone, is a racist, is stupid, and, most importantly, doesn’t have conservative values.

    I’m sick of voting in politicians that walk around with the Bible, (the uppermost conservative value, it seems, in 2016) hoodwinking well-meaning Christians into voting for them, and the Bible goes up on the shelf of their DC office, never to be referred to again during legislation hour.

    It’s the right’s version of the left that sprinkles bread crumbs at blacks in exchange for their vote.

    Let’s give a fair shot (and by fair shot it doesn’t mean they should vote for him, just stop with the histrionic character assassination) to the guy saying he’s going to protect the world’s Christians from Muslims, close the border, kill ISIS, deport illegals, restore fair trade, create jobs by incentivizing businesses to come back to America, strengthen the military, protect our police…

    If the presidency is largely about tone setting, what the hell is wrong with this tone?
    Sounds conservative to me.

    I’m not swayed by the argument that he might not be what he’s advertising.
    Which right-wing candidate is?

    Ryan? Cantor? Boehner? Gowdy? Ellmers?

    I know, Cruz – THIS TIME IT’S FOR REAL, should be his campaign slogan.

    If Cruz happens, fine.
    If Trump happens, fine.

    I’m not wasting resources to burn down either of them because I’m done with the finger-crossing and squeal of a teenaged bobby-socker who says “this one is the one this time.”

    I’m not even doing that with Trump. He’s more of a “ya, fine, let’s give this guy a shot, we’re batting .ooo anyway.”

  9. grool — Not being flippant, I think you just answered your own question. And the biggest point in all this NR flapdoodle is we who have supported the GOP machine in hopes of being represented honestly and given our all in good faith won’t be fooled again. By way of analogy, we don’t believe the conservative elites have taken their last drink — as much as they beg, bargain, plead, swear and try to shame us for our lack of compassion toward them.

    As for my own view, and I’ve been saying this for a while now, whether deserved or not, Cruz is part of machine politics. He’s been a part of it longer than most people understand. As Fur points out, even Gowdy for all his sternly-worded press conferences has changed anything. I think he retired in a fit of conscience. And who knows what happened to Issa before him. It’s been one long, miserable string of dashed hopes, pulled-up socks and onward soldiering with no results. Too many are unwilling to risk pinning their hopes on these guys again, knowing the worse that can happen for most of these party candidates is they go back to their positions.

  10. thanks for the informative reply very sensible.

    since Reagan i’ve been verify then trust so until Trump’s actually on record in office, not for a campaign, and because of all the Trump’s flip flops prior to this campaign..I can not trust.. that said I still like Trump just not for PotUS, yet. Still it’s not good to burn down anyone’s house that has any chance of defeating a Socialist or a Saul Alinsky Socialist running for PotUS.

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