I Am Astounded By… – IOTW Report

I Am Astounded By…

… how many people think a photographer has to get consent before they can film someone in public.

It is like a litmus test for retards.

31 Comments on I Am Astounded By…

  1. You can photograph anyone you want to. You just need permission before USING the photo for anything beyond a wall decoration in your own home.

    Of course, if all you want to do is to capture their soul…have at.

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  2. You need to be careful photographing cops who are on the job, they’ll charge you with some BS like interfering with an officer in line of duty yada yada and throw you in the hoosegow for a few hours.

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  3. Wild Bill, absolutely NOT. It’s almost your duty as a good citizen to film public servants in the course of their work for transparency sake. Cops need to be filmed the most, at all times. Interfering is a physical act. Filming from any distance is not interfering.

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  4. So what’s wrong with Android, Plasma Mobile, LineageOS, Ubuntu Touch, Tizen, KaiOS, postmarketOS, PureOS, GrapheneOS, Sailfish OS, CalyxOS, or HarmonyOS? You just like Tim Cook, probably.

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  5. I’m under the impression one smart phone is just as bad as another. After all, Googles smart phone is an Android.
    The most secure phone out there was the new Blackberry’s. But they discontinued them. When the shit starts, tape you phone to some one elses car. You won’t be leaving your family anyway.

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  6. I belong to a gym that’s open 24-7. An electronic lock, zap your card, your in. Employees are there between like 8:00 AM to 3:00 pm. A pretty good business model actually and serious people flock to this place. Damn handy for us insomniacs. BUT we have our fair share of PAWGs. One of them has been very vocal on the fact she gets filmed on their cct with out her permission. After all, she’s a goddess. Well actually she’s not, but she has an iPhone and she’s not afraid to use it. They finally told her it;s a condition of membership, here’s your money, please leave. Which she declined and is still there.

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  7. The exception is taking someone’s picture and they become the face of a product, or a magazine ad, television commercial, etc. But if you are in public and you end up in a movie, or a youtube video, or a documentary, or outside the window on Good Morning America… or in the crowd for a news story, or on the cover of a newspaper, there is nothing you can do about that.

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  8. What’s more astounding than the whole consent deal is when a public place like a drivers license facility, a library, a city hall, a police station, and yes even public voting places have NO CAMERA signs posted. That’s a direct violation of your rights. Meanwhile they have security cameras surrounding them. Which, by the way, footage on those security cameras can be obtained via FOIA. So what’s their argument why I can’t use my own camera? It’s a control argument, they feel the need to push some authority over you.

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  9. Some people also used to think it was perfectly okay to secretly record the talking people were doing in public, which is why a number of states had to pass laws against doing this.

    Valid arguments can be made that just because someone is in public, which is something that pretty much everyone has to do in order to live a normal life, doesn’t mean that they have consented to all visual invasions of their privacy or use of their image beyond what fleetingly can be seen with the naked eye. Did you zoom in on “something”… did you use the image for commercial profit in a way that is not otherwise newsworthy… were you stalking and harassing, or doing it to mock or defame… was the picture taken “in public” but nevertheless in a place where there was a reasonable expectation of privacy, such as a public bathroom, doctor’s office, lockerroom, or other “public” establishment where the owner or manager posted no photographing.

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  10. janitor, who exactly is the owner of a public establishment? You can film everything you can see from public. Obviously you can’t do bathrooms, but outside of that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public. You can even film information that has been left in the public eye that is considered confidential. Disseminating that confidential information to the public where everyone can see, or to a private party that does harm with the information, is where there’s a problem.

  11. “BUT we have our fair share of PAWGs.”

    Brad, my oldest son works out at a gym, and I remarked that he might meet some gals there, and he quickly shut me down, That’s the LAST place in the workd to meet a girl. I don’t even f—king look at them there.”

    He goes out with gals that are in flight school with him instead. They have more in common and a lot more on the ball than the preener chicks at the gym who are just hoping to be offended.

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  12. There are certainly gray areas. But what is not true is the statement “You can photograph anyone you want to. You just need permission before USING the photo for anything beyond a wall decoration in your own home.”

    This is what leads people to indignantly confront people with video cameras in public, shielding their face and declaring, “you need my consent to take my picture.” That’s not true. Do the people walking by in the background of GMA need to consent before it is used? How many great iconic photographs by famous photographers depict people who have never consented?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#/media/File:Kent_State_massacre.jpg

  13. ecp asked janitor, who exactly is the owner of a public establishment?

    For example, a shopping center or other establishment “open to the public”. That doesn’t mean “publicly-owned”.

    As far as where there is an “expectation of privacy” — which is the determinative issue — unfortunately, people have become pretty obnoxious and discourteous with the advent of cell phone cameras or perhaps the current no-privacy young generation. One may think restrooms are somehow “obvious” but it’s not always so clear.

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