Conservative Treehouse: There is a key distinction being overlooked, perhaps conflated, by many who are reviewing the recently released HPSCI memo as it relates to the outlined targeting of U.S. individual Carter Page.
In the HPSCI outline it specifically notes the targeting of U.S. individual Carter Page was NOT a FISA Title VII search request. Title VII is FISA(702), the incidental collection of U.S. person information as it relates to National Security or Counterintelligence operations targeting foreign individuals.
The FISA ‘warrant’ request, against Carter Page, was made October 21st, 2016, under Title I of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Meaning the surveillance application was specifically stating, to the court, the U.S. individual was likely an actual agent of a foreign government, ie. “a spy.”
The DOJ (National Security Division) and the FBI (Counterintelligence Division) were not asking to review ancillary data collected on U.S. Person Carter Page as an outcome of surveillance on a foreign person, or foreign agent; that would be Title 7 (FISA-702).
In action outlined within the HPSCI memo, the DOJ and FBI were specifically telling the FISA court they had evidence that U.S. Person Carter Page was working as an agent of a foreign government. He was their target, and therefore requesting direct FISA Title 1 surveillance of that target on October 21st, 2016.
To give validity to the underlying position of the DOJ and FBI, the justice department used: the Clinton-Steele Dossier; media reports from -and of- the Clinton-Steele dossier; and opposition research provided by Clinton financed Fusion-GPS through Nellie Ohr, so they could monitor U.S. Person Carter Page.
In total, this sketchy assembly of political campaign research was used by the FBI as evidence to back-up their claim U.S. person Carter Page was working as a foreign agent; essentially saying: he was a spy. This application assembly was then certified on four different occasions by specific officials within the DOJ and FBI.
Without knowing the court had been provided political research, the FISA Court granted the FBI full surveillance authority for U.S. Person Carter Page. The distinction is rather stark.
The FBI were not targeting Page incidentally as an outcome of foreign intelligence collection; the FBI was targeting Carter Page directly. AND as such they carried full surveillance authority upon all of this activities, interactions, communications and contacts therein.
Because of this direct approach, any group, organization or entity who came in contact with U.S. Person Carter Page was then open for ancillary review and FBI investigation. Those who engaged in contact with Carter Page became subject to surveillance and searches in the same manner as if Page was an actual foreign agent. read more
Im too old to follow all this correctly. Can you put it in a nutshell for me?
Me too Farm wife,don’t feel bad. I’m trying to keep up.
@FarmWife – The FBI and DOJ manufactured lies to frame a political opponent (Trump) and gain inside information from his campaign to assist Hillary. When Hillary won, they used the same fraud to try to overthrow a duly elected president.
This is an absolute shitshow. And if people don’t go to jail for it, this country is too far gone from our Constitution to ever come back.
“Without knowing the court had been provided political research, the FISA Court granted the FBI full surveillance authority ”
Are we sure the court didn’t know??
Just heard some asshole nevertrumper on the radio call the memo a nothingburger which failed miserably in its goal of shutting down Mueller. These clowns are worse than Dems.
Anonymous was me.
They used Carter Page as an excuse to try to get at Trump. On the pretense of ‘investigating’ Carter Page, they had the leeway to get to everyone he ever spoke to, and everyone they spoke to and everyone they spoke to, plus their pets. Lied their way to the fisa courts to do it, with info they knew was false. So false, they fired steele for being a liar, yet they used his dossier after the fact, along with anti-Trump FBI agents to try and get Hillary the white house.
And the FBI PAID Steele even though they thought he wasn’t credible, and a liar.
One way to look at it: Carter Page was the gateway person that allowed the FBI to spy on everyone else in the Trump campaign that he came in contact with.
The FBI said Carter was a spy, therefore anyone he spoke with, telephoned, met with or sneezed at could be fully surveilled as well.
“Are we sure the court didn’t know??”
I’ve been wondering about that all day.
Carter Page should be suing everyone with a badge right now.
Looks like they are already teeing up the next memo. This one looks like it could land in John Kerry’s lap.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/372109-nunes-says-house-intel-panel-looking-at-state-dept-involvement-in-russia-probe
As Alfred Hitchcock would say, Carter Page was simply the McGuffin (or MacGuffin). He served no purpose other than drive the surveillance into the Trump campaign.
Carter Page can be henceforth known as the McGuffin Man.
They are determined to make this memo about the persecution of Mueller, via concern for Rosenstein. I heard them bleating at Trump today, “whatabout Rosenstein? What about Rosenstein???” They want him fired by Trump so bad you can smell the Nixon, and they keep circling back to the Fake News about Trump wanting to fire Mueller. Facing the hideous, jackboot corruption of the Obama FBI/DOJ–and FISA Court?–is not in the cards for these goons. Their noses will have to be rubbed in it.
http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2018/02/i-am-this-close-to-locking-your-ass-up.html
TO farmwife
The DEMS “used” Carter Page as an “excuse” to get permission to “wiretap/spy on” MOST OF THE TRUMP TEAM before the election (SEDITION and, when with hep of Russian parties, TREASON), during the transition, and after inauguration.
NOT TO ANY ASSHOLES OUT THERE WHO *still* QUESTION THE SEVERITY:
this is the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of treason and sedition…
…there is NO higher crime in our land.
“…there is NO higher crime in our land.”
Don’t be surprised if a bunch of people end up facing a Military Tribunal. Trump knows he can’t drain the swamp through our court system.
Now put yourself in Judge Contreras robes for a minute.
He signs off on the warrants, and over the following months, little by little the he begins to see the accusations and unwrapping of the dossier and in the media and is hearing whispers from insiders around the DC cocktail circuit. In the middle of this, Flynn and his team agree to a plea deal. He presides over the hearing, he still has an out because Flynn is agreeing to the plea.
The OIG info comes out right after the Flynn plea deal, and the texts between Strzok and Page are released. Judge Contreras has a loose bowel movement and tells his Clerk to bring the entire case folder to his house. He reads again the documents the FBI submitted to him and realizes the FBI sandbagged him. He knows the details, and knows what the media is on to is real, and its worse than they know. He is now a central figure in the criminal attempt to take down the president.
He immediately recuses himself from the rest of the case and the Flynn sentencing because he knows the case was built on fraud and perjury, he knows the evidence used against Flynn was “fruit of the poisonous tree”, and that he was ethically bound not to proceed and could even become part of the conspiracy.
It is possible Judge Contreras communicated with the DOJ about possible serious misconduct by the FBI and DOJ in order to cover himself, and it is also possible he was giving a wink and a nod all along and was part of it. But him bailing out tells you they are all guilty as sin.
@MBrown ~ Contreras is a rubber-stamp … FISA Court is set up to be a Star Chamber, without any responsibility or consequences … Congress set it up that way … if no one’s accountable, then they can do anything they want … just like any Soviet-Nazi-Fascist Court …. “Sentence first, Verdict afterwards!”
The swamp is so deep and laced with corruption I often wonder if GOD could sort it out.
Im thinking no one will go down for this. Just like Huma is still having relations with Hillary when they have proof that she had classified dics on her husbands computer. They know good and well Hillary had a private server for illegal reasons. But nothing is Ever done. I think my brain and heart is about had it!
Whoever said it was right: This ordeal is making Watergate look like pratfall. It’s going to take a long time, but some traitorous asses MUST be brought to bear. This Republic depends on it.
@flip February 2, 2018 at 11:44 pm
“[S]ome traitorous asses MUST be brought to bear. This Republic depends on it.”
Then Dante was right.
Hillary and Obama are not going to prison. Q has as much as confirmed this. However, Trump as laid the groundwork to seize all their assets and publicly shame them. We’ll probably have to settle for that. But think about it. What is most important to Hillary – money and power, right? What if she no longer has either?
@riverlife_callie February 3, 2018 at 7:49 am
> What is most important to Hillary – money and power, right?
So we should comfort ourselves with what Hillary wants?