As of today, China, Indonesia and Ethiopia have all grounded their fleets of 737 Max 8 airliners by Boeing. The moves come after the second crash of the model in the last five months, the most recent being an Ethiopia Airline going down yesterday, claiming all 157 aboard the flight. More
The previous crash was a Lion Air flight that went down in October off the coast of Jakarta, Indonesia. “The Indonesian National Transportation Safety Committee indicated that Lion Air flight 610 experienced “erroneous input” from one of its sensors designed to alert pilots if the aeroplane is at risk of stalling.” More
The 737 Max is a major seller for Boeing, who has a reported 5,111 aircraft ordered by 78 identified customers, including Southwest and American airlines who released statements of confidence in the aircraft.
Shares in Boeing were down 11 percent this morning while rival Airbus up half a percent. More
I’ve been following a pilots site today. Sounds like Boeing F’d up.
Uh, maybe the training and ability of the pilots has smething to do with it.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez don’t want no more stinkin’ planes in the sky; no more stinkin’ cars either. She’s on a roll.
.45-70 Now that’s racist. Whaddayoumean? You questioning Affirmative Action?
Nope.
Incompetent pilots.
It’s a wonder planes don’t fall from the sky on a daily basis.
Rookie Ethiopian pirate, er, pilot only required 200 hours flight time to fly.
In the USA 1500 hours is required, among other certification.
This newer plane has engines that can force the nose up, Boeing addressed this already.
That said, better make sure alluha akbar wasn’t heard on the cockpit recorder, when they pry it from some dead Ethiopian UN adviser’s ass.
Just sayen, apparently if this plane approaches stall speed, it automatically set the rudders to nose down. Just shit I heard today from experienced and current Commercial pilots. They don’t want to fly it.
Wasn’t the one that went down in the bay near Houston the same model? It was an Amazon cargo plane.
The two countries the crashes originated from were Muslim countries. Something to think about?
The person who yanked Brad’s chain by signing in as Cowgirl Bob knows a thing or two about airplanes. The Max8 has automated controls near the stall speed. Cowgirl Bob wouldn’t like automated controls in that phase of flight. Just sayin.
Cowgirl Bob
Sounds like you have something of value to add here you clever individual. I suggest you cut the shit and spit it out.
Non Western cultures also have a problem with speech mitigation within crews. For instance, an American co-pilot would shout pull up and then take the controls to avoid disaster. Other cultures work like this:
“Dear honorable chief pilot, please adjust your elevation if you think it is appropriate to do so. Your orders will be awaited for our lowly action. We are grateful to have such a …. ” BLAMMO
Bad_Brad,
For starters…. The rudder doesn’t control angle of attack / stall speed… The elevator surfaces are more relevant…
One of the witness reports I read today said the plane was smoking from the back end of the plane and that before the plane hit the ground luggage was falling out, on fire. I wasn’t there, I don’t know.
Kali Refugee in Texas
After listening to what I referenced, for starters, I think they have a problem. Could be wrong. I won’t fly anyway. Can’t bring my shooter. Are you willing to fly one of these planes?
Gut instinct says to question accidents from two muslim countries. Did cockpit voice recorders reveal a couple ‘allah akbars’ before pilot aimed at the ground?
Wasn’t there a story a few months back about automated controls overriding pilot control causing several landing accidents? A situation easily handled by an experienced pilot, but also a situation where pilots frequently made the wrong adjustment. As I recall, maybe incorrectly , it was something to do with landing the aircraft in strong cross wind, and sensors detecting a difference in rotation speed of the landing wheels on port & starboard sides exceeding a set time window would trigger the automated controls to take over. Airbus maybe. I think they reported the problem was corrected by changing the programmed control loop, not by disabling it & leaving the pilot to make the correct adjustment.
Rudder..https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=p5a3qSrO&id=FD2BE83A1B422025A820E67801D841A2D4F3CED1&thid=OIP.p5a3qSrOw3zv1RyZoxlOQQHaF7&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.grc.nasa.gov%2fwww%2fk-12%2fairplane%2fAnimation%2fairpar%2fImages%2fayaw.gif&exph=403&expw=504&q=definition+of+airplane+rudder&simid=608025204370309561&selectedIndex=7
Boeing engineers being at fault and allowing defective product out the door, almost incalculable odds. Having a prior accident and not learning or fixing anything, just about impossible.
Just a few decades ago Ethiopians were starving to death and now they can afford brand new airplanes?
Kali Refugee in Texas
For enders, who gives a fuck? I’ll ever fly again. Ever.
https://www.wired.com/story/boeing-autonomous-plane-autopilot/ .
@Walpergis
The amazon cargo plane that crashed was a Boeing 767. It went down very near me. First responders reported virtually no fuel in the water at the crash site. It was on approach to Bush Intercontinental Airport. They often load the minimum amount of fuel so more cargo can be loaded. I think someone misunderestimated.
Just another story where one poster gets to badger and bully every other poster. Brad, why don’t you just host your very own site so you can always have your way? Just sayen, as you so eloquently put it.
Grew up flying in Beechcraft Bonanzas and Cessna 180. When hitting turbulence the planes would bounce around quite a bit. When I flew home from California I was in a 707 and hit turbulence over the Rockies. Looking out the window and seeing the wings flapping like a bird (I know they’re designed to flex) was unsettling for me. First and only time I flew commercial.
@Hambone
Thanks. (I live near there too.)
The last thing you want to fight is hydraulics when you’re low and slow.
HMMMM two THIRD WORLD MUSLIM Countries have crashes involving state of the art Aircraft. Lots of possibilities there Pilot error, for one pilots not being familiar enough with the Aircraft to recognize a problem before it gets fatal. Pilots losingit when the Aircraft fail to respond as they thought it should and on and on and on
Are we convinced that the maintenance capabilities of places like China, Indonesia and Ethiopia are up to standards?
We don’t know yet what was responsible. Could be a combination of things. Could be software/pilot error. Could be. But Industrial Sabotage is also a possibility. I find it odd that the Chinese, who don’t give a whit about loss of life, have lept forward to ground the plane… at a time when they have some heartburn with Trump and Boeing and Trade. And the Chinese reportedly have a hardware back door into aircraft electronics. https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a23693716/chinese-microchip-tampering-bloomberg-new-evidence/
I think we’ll have to wait on the investigation. There are roughly 350 MAX in service.
I believer Mr. Bond usurped the destruction of a jumbo- jet based on Market hedging.. Any shorts out there that need to be looked at….