I’ve had it with the pontificators on the right who view this election as the choice between two equivalent evils and therefore promote some kind of hypothetical third option that supposedly offers a morally superior alternative.
Your Charlie Sykes, your Ben Shapiros, your George Wills out there think by not supporting the Republican candidate that you’re somehow protecting the Conservative movement.
You’re wrong on two points.
First, Hillary’s evil has been demonstrated again and again and again. She’s proven not only the old adage about absolute power and corruption corrupting absolutely, she’s upped it to the point where one concludes that the more power and responsibly entrusted to Hillary Clinton the more people die. Trump on the other hand is an unknown entity. There is no evidence other than “gut feelings” that he’d be anything like Hillary.
What’s the worse thing that both individuals have done? Trump allowed his name to be used on less than stellar products and services, used the government to serve his business ends and maybe stiffed some contractors. Who in their right mind believes that that is the same as getting four people killed (Benghazi) and quite possible a fifth (the Iranian nuclear scientist)? She not only sold out our entire country and bilked the poorest people on earth (Haiti) out of money, she stripped them of their own autonomy.
One is a businessman who has thrived under free markets. The other espouses a destructive failed ideology that destroys a nation’s economy, and, by extension, its people. (Hillary was an avid student of Saul Alinsky, no less).
When you opt out of this election you are surrendering your chance to have an impact on the only candidate who you might actually be able to create a Hillary loss. Third parties and write-ins are futile and merely symbolic.
You’re not taking a morally superior position by just walking away. You’re actually turning your back on the only morally correct action based on current facts – the absolute imperative to prevent Hillary and the Democrats from destroying the still functioning institutions of the Republic and guiding Trump to preserving what is left and recovering what has been lost. He seems to listen. As a conservative, Hillary is not going to listen to a word you have to say. You’re dead to her.
So knock it off with the third option stuff. This is a bi-polar world, black and white, good and evil and opting out is letting evil have its way.
What set this diatribe off in the first place can be viewed Here
I have one of those knobs too, goes all the way to 11.
And the likes of Dana Perino have written the election off and have settled in their minds that Hillary will be the next POTUS.
I stopped listening to and reading these quitters who throw their hands up in resignation every time the voters do what the elitists don’t want or like.
F ’em all.
While technically, the election isn’t binary due to the fact that there are (theoretically, at least) four candidates running, the reality is that it is binary because the other two don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell to win.
I’m not thrilled with Trump and I make no bones about it, but unless someone can give me an alternative that keeps the pig in a pantsuit out of the WH, I and everyone else who feel like I do have no choice but to choose Trump.
I so hoped to not to have to hold my nose in ’16, but one more time won’t kill me–and who knows, maybe if he wins, he’ll surprise me and actually be a happy vote for me in ’20.
When I am in a difficult situation, I ask myself, WWJWD?
And I think in this case, John Wayne would vote for Donald Trump.
🙂
(Snip from the link) Some have suggested that not voting for Trump is tantamount to voting for Clinton
False argument put forth all the time by the knuckleheads with principles. Not voting is not voting. Not voting for Trump and going third party is tantamount to voting for Clinton.
If you’ve been keeping up with the Soros documents on DCLeaks it’s obvious whose tune the Democrats are dancing to. Reading those documents is just like listening to Obama, Hillary, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi or any Democrat or MSM flunkie.
They use the exact same phrases, exact same objectives, exact same condemnations – dutifully repeated as they stuff their pockets with millions of Soros dollars; dollars Soros has gotten, not through developing products people willingly traded their wages for but from blackmailing and holding countries for ransom.
Meanwhile in many polls Trump is closing the gap before fully implementing his ground game or starting a TV ad campaign.
Not supporting the only candidate that can stop Hillary and a full transformation of this country says a lot about that person, not the candidate. Going on TV and calling Trump a ‘turd tornado’ as Shapiro did yesterday is a juvenile liberal tactic – something you do when you can’t come up with real reasons to persuade people not to support Trump other than I don’t like his tone, rhetoric etc. If they don’t want to vote for him due to their ‘principles’ great but why trash the guy endlessly with the enemy other than their principles are they’d much rather have the country destroyed than have an outsider in the Oval Office.
@beachmom
Dana is dead to me, seems her major problem with Trump is he isn’t taking her advice.
Dana, you’re on a half serious news talk show with Gutfeld. Stop your histrionics, nobody cares how you did it with Bush.
O’Baja is an empty chair, Hill the pill cannot get out of the chair.
WWCED?
Clint is votin’ for the Don.
The problem with these 3rd angle ninnyhammers is that they’ve been effectively treed by a chihuahua. That chihuahua is their unbridled vanity / egos.
It makes me wonder who has the bigger vanity / ego between the three: Trump, Clinton, or the Republicrat Establishment.
The hypocrisy is that the harder they shake the tree, the farther they will fall to their political deaths. Unfortunately, they’ll kill everyone else on the way down as well.
Hillary, along with the militant sodomites & islamonazis will kill whoever survives.
But we’ll have utopia, so there’s that.
So Aggie, if a person stays home and doesn’t vote for Hillary, does that count as a vote for Trump?
Trump could win via people not voting? If Hillary could, why not Trump?
What about third party voters. Are the ones who write in Bernie voting for Trump, and the ones voting for Johnson voting for Hillary?
I have heard this novel concept as to how elections work bandied about on this site, but I have difficulty grasping the mechanics of it.
Maybe it is a paranormal phenomena.
Maybe it’s just brains, JohnS.
What you lack in common sense you make up for in bloviating and circle jerk logic.
Trump is a businessman. Like all businessmen, sometimes his projects fail – that’s the nature of free enterprise. That’s actually one of the guiding principles behind the bankruptcy laws – when people fail, the lawu provides a mechanism to give them relief and a fresh start. And usually in bankruptcy creditors get shafted – that’s built into the bankruptcy laws. Trump, overall, is a successful businessman who still has some blemishes on his record, but has done nothing unlawful.
Governments, on the other hand, never recognize failure and are not accountable for failure. Government officials are largely immune by law from most of their bad decisions, and are rarely held to be personally accountable. Government officials can even lie to the public and claim that failed policies and programs were actually successful, although a cursory examination of some of the policies and programs put the lie to this. And when government projects fail, there is no financial consequence – they just steal more money from the taxpayers. This is Hillary Clinton’s world.
As a politician, Trump is admittedly somewhat as an unknown quantity – we do not have a record of public office to examine. So we have to compare Trump’s track record in the private sector with Clinton’s track record in the public sector, and this is comparing apples to oranges. When a Trump project does not work out, there are real consequences to Trump and his business. When Clinton’s public activities do not work out, there are no consequences to Clinton – not even bad publicity because the media covers these up for her.
The point is that I do not know if Trump is just a lesser evil – I haven’t seen much of anything to indicate that Trump is a public evil at all. Trump used bankruptcy to protect some of his business interests; Clinton lied, committed perjury, covered up her involvement, was likely responsible for people dying, and is defended by the media and the Democrat party. Trump lawfully used the system to protect his business interests; Clinton fraudulently gamed the system for her personal benefit.
But if anyone wants to consider this election one of the lesser of two evils, use the above principles to decide who is the lesser evil.
The #NeverTrumper pundits only cancel out their own voice when the opt out of the political battle.
If they aren’t going to support the candidate who at least is likely to pay lip service to them then they make themselves irrelevant to the fight against the left – now and into the future.
Attack the Democrats with the truth of the destructive outcomes from following their polices. Attack Hillary with the facts of her crimes. Point out where you want the Republican candidate to go and encourage him to strive to get there, but stop the attacks on his campaign. Getting caught up in the horse race is lazy and pointless. It gets you no further in winning hearts and minds and rescuing people from the abyss of liberal ideology.
You #NeverTrumpers – why don’t you ask yourselves how you’re messaging failed to get the nomination for your favored candidate? What are you going to do to advance Conservatism and convince votes to put their support behind the best candidate next time?
If you’re going waste your time snipping and sneering at what we have now, when do you intend to improve your messaging so that we nominate the right one next time?
I love trolley philosophy!
My favorite below, how about we imagine a world without trolley cars and just vote for Trump!
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/106
The only handle I remember is the one from Locomotive Breath and God ripped that one off.
When Third Option’s mouth moves, it’s the Uniparty that speaks.
Wyatt, Trump does have a public political track record.
He has been neck deep in politics most of his life.
It is true that if you dismiss his track record and only look at the last 2 or 3 years of his life it becomes hard to understand why anyone on the right would oppose him, but a lot of people think a politicians past actions and positions matter.
Never Trump is a bunch of adults that have adopted an adolescent view and cling to it like babies
@JohnS So what, Hillary has gotten people killed. When entrusted with political office, she sold it without restraint.
There are only two candidates in this race with a chance of winning this election. Pick a side and be honest about which one you are on.
Dr. Tar, suggesting that I am lying about my position is projection on your part.
My point is that people have legitimate concerns about Trump, and claiming that they don’t exist is not a viable way to address the problem. When you tell people that something is not there that they see with their own eyes it is hard to get them to trust you on other issues.
That is why I corrected Wyatt.
Consider this, if the response to anything about Trump is that Hillary is worse, it is you that is equating Trump and Hillary by positioning him as a slightly improved version of the same product.
What principles did the Sykes, Shapiros, Perinos and George Wills of the great political pontificators apply when Dole, Bush, Bush II, McCain and Romney were the nominees?
Which of their principles have changed from beating back progressive/socialist ideology?
Or are they lead by the uni-party principle of anti-sovereignty/anti-American/anti-corruption/anti-constitution?
These arrogant assholes think their enlightened “principles” are higher and greater than the principles of the voters who know fully well the corrupt principles of hillary clinton.
They should be shunned.
JohnS, you betray yourself. You posted:
— “politicians past actions and positions matter.”– Trump does not qualify under your terms here.
You have the annoying habit of saying opposing things meant to convince your self your always right.:
–“Trump does have a public political track record.”– as a private citizen, we all do.
Politicians and private citizens are held to different standards. You know that, that’s why you constantly try to conflate
Take a stand.
Bravo! Future is tied to either piece of crap trump or flaming diarrhea bucket Hillary. Choice is SIMPLE!!! I would vote for ball sweat before I voted for Hillary. NOT VOTING IS JUST AS BAD
Trump has been involved in politics, but not as a politician. In the current state of government regulations, successful businessmen must be involved in the political world. Most businessmen I know ocntribute to both parties during elections – they are hedging their bets. The fact that occasionally Trump donated to Hillary Clinton does not trouble me at all – this is something I would expect from a businessman.
But Trump has never held office, so there is no way to assess a track record as a public official. Public office is a much different animal than being a private CEO who is involved in politics for his or her own self interest. That is my point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc
Go TarMan!
Credit to BFH for letting this personal rant run and for much needed edits.
@JohnS I think of you as trying to demonstrate you’re oh so much higher level of understanding and intelligence by you’re attempt to obscure the clear distinction between the two candidates that was laid out as the central theme in the original piece written above.
Let me help you out. Are you going to vote for a.) Hillary b.) Trump c.) some alternative.
Leave everyone else out of it, don’t try to redirect by claiming others here lack your level of sophisticated understanding and couldn’t possible comprehend you’re superior thought process. Tell us all, now that you’ve fully engaged and accused me of name calling you a liar – Who’s it gonna be?
My first reaction to that article,
after having the stomach to read it,
was that it could have been written
by “the scum we know”…”True Liberty” or “JohnS”:
SEED the doubt.
FEED the fear.
DECORATE with moral potemkins.
F*ck THAT!
We’ve got a country to save.
One of the nice things about political opinions, self appointed “experts” like the clowns mentioned above will always stand up and identify themselves as horses asses without any need or provocation.
I left this post on their comment section. It’s what I tell all the people who refuse to vote:
“You are over analyzing the situation. I understand that people want to hold on to their pride and integrity, but when you flush your vote down the toilet of obscurity, your pride and integrity go right along with it, and all you have left is spite.
Better to invest your vote with the side you expect to win. That way your pride and integrity at least have a chance to affect the outcome, otherwise, no-one cares about your pride and integrity except you, who just proved you have neither.”
Every politician (Aggie, Trump IS a politician) was once a private citizen.
When Hillary first ran for office were you all hooting about how her political connections and the people she had supported meant nothing? Better yet, did you actually think that way?
If so you need help.
It would help tremendously if Trump were to let people know what was behind the recent radical change from a Soros funded, pro infanticide, pro gun ban, hard leftist to what he is today.
Something significant had to happen, by the time a person gets into their 60’s they usually are set in their ways.
My point is that naturally, his past means nothing to his hard core supporters. However, it does to a lot of other people.
Saying it doesn’t count because you don’t want it to is not a good way to come up with a strategy to ally those peoples fears.
If you support Trump over Hillary, then support Trump. Stop undermining the effort.
It’s like a “Christian” trying to stab you with a knife while telling you,”I’m a Christian, I have good morals!”
The reason you keep having to remind everyone that you “support Trump” is cause your words betray you.
Join the fight! Help Trump defeat Clinton!
I’ve said it before: I voted for Perot and got a Clinton.
Though Trump was not my favored candidate, I’ll not make that mistake again.
OK; Rah Rah Trump!
That should get him a thousand times more votes than working on ways to ally peoples fears.
How are you helping to “ally” people’s fears?
How are you helping?
What’s the matter JohnS forget to up vote your own post?
“But Trump has never held office, so there is no way to assess a track record as a public official.”
So tell me, how is the track record of our public officials?
The truth is a powerful tool.
I can understand, and so can most people, the argument that Trump has ‘seen the light” and changed his ways.
That is at least plausible, and if you are going to convince people you have to bring them to reconciling what they know with the current situation.
Claiming that obvious well known facts just aren’t so won’t accomplish anything positive. It is why many Trump supporters are considered cranks.
If we want people to differentiate between Trump and Hillary on the honesty angle, we are obligated to being honest.
Unlike Czar and her sorority, John S does not participate in the stroking game.
Wow Czar, I think JohnS just called you a little girl. More logical debate.
TO Bad Brad
Yeah. I’m thinking that’s just more of JohnS’ fagotty projection.
I guess that’s what happens when you’re a 61 year old loser in SanFran.
He’s *great* with emotionally manipulating some on this site but, when confronted with – YIKES! – actual thought/argumentation (OMG OMG OMG), he “short circuits,” just like his Leftist heroine.
The NT crowd with their ‘morally superior’ attitudes prove they’re liars when they attack Trump instead of just shutting up.
If their virtue signalling convinces just one person to not vote Trump, they ARE acting for Clinton… but that’s WHY they won’t shut up. They want you to know they can’t vote for Trump because they’re trying to convince you to follow their example.
Since they have a soapbox that can influence a lot more people than the average citizen, they also have a responsibility to not misuse it.
Czar, are you telling me that you are not female?
The way you cluck with the spinsters on this site and get emotional, along with the cursing, I had you pegged as a gal with issues.
Czar, I guess you kicked his ass. This crap is what he does every time he gets boxed in. Right to juvenile personal attacks.
That’s right Brad, Czar kicked my ass.
Now, don’t forget to put that tooth under your pillow tonight.
Another childish comment. Lets go for three in a row. Like I said living in moms basement in the middle of Kansas.
“How is the track record of our public officials?” In my opinion – terrible. I don’t know what Trump’s record as a public official would be since he’s never been one, but I’m more than willing to take the chance that it would be better than the damage Hillary would do.
JohnS. Like with Cruz, I doubt Trump even wants your vote/endorsement
You’re poison
Whoa, sorry, Czar. JohnS misled me into believing that you were in fact female. However, as an actual female myself, JohnS comments are offensive, stupid and pretty sexist honestly. Pathetic that he views the opposite sex that way. I thought that you were a catholic who respected his wife? That’s a very closed minded way to generalize women. For shame.
@ Brad….quit with the Kansas comments….you might need to be here someday….
Shit.
Chuffed, Czar hasn’t revealed it’s sex or gender, and if he or she has a wife, I have seen no indication of disrespect toward her.
Chuffed, if you were honest you would admit that the clucking hens stereotype is a valid one for a certain type of women.
So….littlejohn, you have nothing valid to offer. You hem and haw but offer no “facts”.
Do you support Trump? You say you are going to vote for him.
If your mind is made up, why nit pick Trump’s faults. Who cares? He’s the best option we have.
This goes for Menderman too. If you’ve already chosen to vote Trump, why do you continue to tear him down?
He’s not perfect. We get it. He wasn’t my first choice either. Why blow up his shortcomings? How does that help us win? How does that sway people to vote for him?
Your goal is revealed. You want Hillary. Just admit it. Stop playing games……
TO chuffed beyond words
No prob…people new here can be easily fooled by JohnSh!tForBrains’ manipulative words at times. It’s all he has until he “goes full 3rd grade” with spitballs. FWIW, I’m male, and indeed have a reigning Czarina.
One thing I didn’t get: was your comment “I thought that you were a catholic who respected his wife” directed towards me?