Washington Times
In a statement announcing the “Indianapolis Plan,” the Methodist Church’s news service called the schism on LGTBQ issues “irreconcilable” but offered a plan for the church and its 12 million worldwide members that roughly splits the church into sectarian denominations, while maintaining “legal continuation” of the church.
A group of 12 church leaders — made up of centrists, traditionalists and progressives — began meeting in Indianapolis in June and their 20-provision plan was released Tuesday.
“We’ve discovered the United Methodist Church can’t live in the same house together peaceably, but we can live next door to one another,” said the Rev. Kent Millard, president of United Theological Seminary, who helped organize the group. More
I left the Presbyterians over this crap. Either the church is faithful to the Bible or it is apostate. It is exceedingly clear that the sin of homosexuality is not to be celebrated!
So we’ll now have Methodists and Methodats?
“Who is on the Lords’ side? Let him come to me.”
(start at 2 minutes)
https://youtu.be/-YETnMqtlyI
I come from a long line of priggish,judgmental,bigoted hypocrite “methodists”….and that my friends is why I became agnostic.
So called progressives each think they’re the smartest guy in the room, they can’t even get along with each other, let alone us regular people.
Liking a dick up your butt or in your mouth, or liking to wear women’s clothing has no bearing on anything, other than liking a dick up your butt or in your mouth, or liking to wear women’s clothing. It makes you no better, or not worse (except if you try to convince little boys to follow your liking a dick up your butt or in your mouth, or liking to wear women’s clothing.)
The LGTB movement is discriminatory and poisonous.
…and HaSatan continues to divide the people of YHWH. I visited a Methodist congregation just 2 weeks ago (with family) and have been working on a rebuttal to the sermonizer and my family members who give credence to such blatant doctrinal error.
Hello family and friends!
I recently visited a congregation and listened to a sermon of which I believe was of ordained timing, both for the time of my visit and the day of the sermon, that they coincided. The sermon used explicit anti-Torah language and hit on several specific “church” doctrines which are so blatantly false, that I wanted to stand and speak up to counter the false man made doctrine that was being fed to the flock. I did not and am not sure whether or not I should have. I pray that it might be used to at least show family and friends that what is being fed to the flock is not sound doctrine, for it is created by and for the itching ears of man.
This sermon used the following scriptures: Isaiah 1:1-9, Matthew 5:17+ and John 8:3-11
Isaiah 1:1-9 – Conveniently stopping before verse 10, which is the antidote for the ills of Israel. Verse 10 would be contradicting the sermon which was pushing that the remedy was the ailment. As if anything YHWH provides would be a “stumbling block”, as the sermonizer called the Torah/law. Verses 11-15 describe the people of Israel mixing pagan practices and creating “their” feasts. These are not YHWH’s feasts or commandments that they follow. Verses 16-17 hold out hope for them to be made clean again. How? By following YHWH’s precepts, commandments and judgments (Torah). Confirmed in verse 19 as being obedient brings blessings (Deut 11:26-28).
Mattew 5:17+ – This VERY tired and beguiling doctrine, twisting the plain truth into some alegorical lie, that only a D.Th. “can understand”, being so far above us mere mortals. This Nicolaitan attitude is what we should be fighting against. The “church” inevitibly, in one form or another, works the Greek word play-ro’-o into something it is not. e.g.:
Think not that I have come to destroy the Torah or prophets, I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
The church effectually, but falsely, twists this into meaning:
Think not that I have come to DESTROY the Torah or prophets, I have not come to DESTROY, but to DESTROY.
Yahshuah is saying that He is here to fill up with meaning or fully preach the Torah in the Spirit which it was given, not the letter. Yahshuah immediately examples this with the verses following his declaration.
4137 pleroo play-ro’-o from 4134; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:–accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply. see GREEK for 4134
The man giving the sermon termed it as “putting a top” or “cap” (I cannot remember which term he used) on the Torah. That it is done, its purpose fulfilled and no longer needed. He physically made the motion of capping his closed left (fist) hand with his right hand. If that is not the heart of man on full display and making a leap that Evil Keneivel could not make, I do not know what is! If John 1:1-3,14 is true (spoiler: It is true), then you might as well be saying that Yahshuah’s purpose is fulfilled and we can now do away with Him. The arrogance and hautiness of “the church” is remeniscent of the Mother of harlots (Jerusalem/Judaism) attitude in Rev 18:7b – for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
The Torah, like all aspects of YHWH’s character/nature, is eternal. YHWH himself set Heaven and Earth as witnessess to the covenants. Another spoiler, Heaven and Earth are still here and there is still much prophecy and parts of the covenant to be fulfilled. The re[new]ed covenant has not been fully enacted, the marriage supper has not taken place and obviously we must still teach each one, his neighbor, know YHWH.
Verse 20 is the antagonistic reason for the declaration, the scribes, et al have been twisting and supplanting the Word of YHWH with the traditions/doctrines of men (Talmud). All of the subsequent examples Yahshuah provides are based on “Ye have heard that it hath been said…” and not that “It is written…”, for this is the Talmudic oral tradition/teachings/doctrines which focus on the letter of the law instead of the spirit. Even completely abrogating the Word of YHWH for thier traditions. Yahshuah severely rebuked the scribes, Pharissees and Sadducees for these teachings all throughout the four gospel writings.
Verse 21 is the first of 2 examples which are straight from the Decalogue. For something that has been fulfilled, destroyed and/or put away, why is our Messiah fully preaching these? The other examples are mitzvah (precept/commandment) from the Torah (First 5 books of the Tanak/Hebrew Scriptures or “old testament”).
Finally, the sermonizer uses the example of the woman “caught in the very act” of adultry (John 8:3-11) as if Jesus/Yahshuah is doing a “glorious new thing” (I am paraphrasing the sermonizer), a NEW (and Improved) grace! As if YHWH has not been loving, merciful and gracious to man from Genesis to everlasting. The cycle of Covenant, disobedience, punishment and restoration of Israel throughout the Tanak (“old testmament”), is the foundation of the gospel.
The sermonizer states that it is this “new” grace that kept the woman from being stoned. Either this man does not know scripture/Torah or is purposely ignorant. The Torah provides a due process for stoning/capital punishment (and other) offenses. The mob rules methodology would be breaking Torah.
Both offenders (where was the man if caught in the very act?) would HAVE to be brought before the local council for judgement (Deut 16:18-20), 2 or 3 witnesses must concurr in testimony (Deut 19:15).
This mob, stirred up by the Pharisees, was tempting Yahshuah/Jesus to err and condemn her, so they could accuse/condemn Him. I am not sure if the conviction the mob felt at Yahshuah’s statement, “…he who is without sin, cast the first stone…”, was the sin of the moment, lifetime or both. I would think it was the more immediate conviction of being a blood thirsty mob. Again, I am not sure if the “…go and sin no more…” is a confirmation of her guilt in the matter or more of reference to a life of sin, which we ALL have. I have to believe that it is all tied to the actual event primarly.
If you remove the Torah (Instruction) for a set apart life, you only have man left to interpret right or wrong, and scripture is of no private interpretation! I for one prefer to follow the will and instruction of the soveriegn creator of all things.
One last little nugget that I would like for you to consider is that the re[new]ed convenant (Jer 31:31) expressly equates having the Torah written on your heart as knowing YHWH. In Matthew 7:23 Yahshuah says “I never knew you: depart from me, ye workers of lawlessness”, once again equating knowing Torah with knowing YHWH and Him knowing YOU!
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob shine the light of His coutenance upon you and yours!
Peace be unto you
Shalom Aleichem
A house divided…
I’m sure the same topic rages in the islamic community.
Tick, tick, tock
Oh that’s right. Gay activists have, thus far, only infiltrated and destroyed the so called Christian denominations of Catholicism, Episcopalians, and Methodists. Not sure about the baptists. Hopefully not.
Satan destroyed the Methodist Church years ago when the Methodist Church joined with the United Brethren Church to become the United Methodist Church. This was when they became much more liberal. I remember when my family left United Methodist Church. I was a kid in the 70s. We were in a smallish northwest conserv town and the head office sent us a gay preacher who was married to a woman and she never came to the service. The whole thing had everyone scratching their heads for multiple obvious reasons. So my mom and her church friends had the preacher over for dinner to find out what this guy was all about. His wife didn’t show for dinner. Mom asked why she didn’t come to church and he said she was a different religion. Mom’s friend asked which religion and he said she was a wiccan. We nearly had to resuscitate her friend. Mom and dad asked how he could reconcile his homosexuality and her witchcraft with Biblical teachings and he told them that he graduated with a degree in psychology from seminary and they never read the Bible once the entire time he was in seminary. That was the last day my family and our friends step foot in that church.
The Bible is pretty specific.
And it tells us of a narrow gate and a wide gate, one leading to eternal salvation and the other to eternal destruction.
The Methodists, along with all Christians, should pay close attention to this.
Eternal is a long time, ya’ know.
Throw the libs out! We (LCMS) did in the ’70’s – you can, too!
Liberty, Guns, Beer, & Trump – seems like a strange thing to have a disagreement over.
Be Ye cautious what church (if any) ye attend. If the Holy Spirit is does not abide, make haste to nearest exit and take as many faithful as you can with you.
Learn the Word of God.
I’m gonna put this link here from Skywatch TV. They are interviewing Mark Taylor, one of the men who prophecied in 2006 (yes, 2006) that El Trumpo would become president. He has some more prophetic words concerning upcoming prosecution, suicides and deaths that you may find interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXoJQpoJo20
Local UMC (from their newsletter) confirms losing 27% of their membership over the last year alone and a recently asked to leave pastor (departing),
church has serious financial issues with the church being supported by grants from the local larger church group led by their bishop.
Seems as if people are continuing to vote apostasy out with their feet.
Jesus has also warned about unequal yoking with those who admit sin but continue in their sin.
The problem with most Methodist churches is modern architecture. Much easier to raze the whole drywall and stick construction and build a skatepark over it than it is to convert one into something useful like an auto shop or recycling center.
That’s funny @aaronburr. On several levels. I also hate modern “architecture”.
Want to deal these churches a lethal blow?? If it can be proven that they hide behind religion, but in reality, function as leftist activist front groups, strip them of their tax exempt status and see how long they survive.
Same with these phony mosques that are springing yp out of nowhere.
I would say these mosques and the leftist churches are two different things. But they aren’t. Both are in league to knock out America’s societal underpinnings.
Take them all down.
Well that explains the new sign out in front of the Methodist Church down the street that says, “We don’t discriminate”.
They may as well put a sign out that says, “Bible? We don’t need no stinkin’ Bible.”
If it’s not “Free Methodist,” then it’s not Methodist.
Woodrow Wilson was a Methodist…jest sayin’.
It’s beyond sad but, unfortunately, the devil can often penetrate the mind of an indecisive person.
A simple way for the ‘indecisive’ people to avoid such a trap is to simply set your goals towards the GOOD, which is GOD.
The splintering of different religious sects is one of Satan’s many tools.
Hmmm. convert a Methodist church into an inter faith prayer shop and auto repair center.
No wait. scratch that. A non denominational CHOP SHOP. See, you bring your car in to get serviced and you can watch the repairs going on while you have a nice lunch. Cause its a chop shop….and you eat…a big pork chop…while your car…gets chopped….sigh.
I’m tellin’ ya’, a chain of those would make Arbys look sad. …sadder.
Non denominational mega churches springing up all over this area. In every successful mega church pastors are ultra CONSERVATIVE! Every dying church is liberal.
🚨 SECEDE! 🚨
Thank you! Haven’t I been screaming that on here for years? Thankfully, at least someone was listening. You can’t live in the same house with these people, and the states have to admit this eventually as well.
Be at peace, and separate from those who constantly agitate and harass, they obviously don’t want peace.
Try cracking open a Bible from time to time, will ya? Lord!
Methodist Church, 12 million worldwide members.
I was brainwashed Catholic, 1.2 billion worldwide members.
Love sleeping in late Sunday morning and not saying ‘peace be with you ‘ to anyone.
‘Cause no one cares or means it.
Best comment;
‘Be at peace, and separate from those who constantly agitate and harass, they obviously don’t want peace.’
Hmm, I don’t think God is fooled…
@PHenry ~ as a somewhat-lapsed Southern Baptist I can tell you, unfortunately, they’re trying to stir up trouble amongst our organization too.
… I mean, sheesh, we can dance now! 😉
As always… Faggots ruin everything they touch.
Charles and John Wesley are rolling over in their graves weeping and lamenting for the church that they founded. I have no use for most Protestant churches since they lost it years ago by promoting the social gospel rather than the real gospel. And don’t even get me started on Evangelical mega churches with all their programs to get people to come to the latest and greatest church service without an iota of grace or mercy etc. We call a lot of these people who are higher and mightier, holier than thou, pious, arrogant etc. a bunch of Christian jerks.
Anyone else see the irony in the name United Methodist Church?
I lay no claim to be a theologian, however, God’s/Christ’s Plan of Salvation was never meant to be complicated. God said from the very beginning KISS – keep it Simple Stupid. Unfortunately, people with itching ears and know-it-alls wanted and still want God’s laws to be complicated. That is why they killed the prophets appointed by God, burned scriptures they did not agree with and wrest the ones they kept. Any Church or sect that does not receive direct ongoing revelation from God is practicing the gospel of men not God -(II Timothy 3:5, II Timothy 4:3, Amos 3:7). As far as embracing and sanctioning marriages between anyone or thing besides a man and a woman the Bible is very clear on that – (I Corinthians 11:11,12). The good news is Christ will fix it all.