This is odd, because I didn’t think Donald Trump had all that good of a night, and I felt Rubio and Cruz had him on the defensive.
The 4 polls are Drudge, The Wall Street Journal, and 2 sites that are pretty much anti-Trump sites, The Right Scoop, and The Blaze.
It seems as if Donald Trump can pretty much phone it in at this point and he’s going to win these polls.
On iOTW report, however, Cruz and Trump were in a dead heat. Imagine that?
But let’s forget about the Cruz/Trump head to head match. That’s not the most telling stat. This is ——->
Only 2 people said they would be voting for Hillary or Bernie if Trump is the nomination.
So much for that prairie fire that a handful of pundits tried to get going, saying that a Hillary or Bernie win would be better for the country.
No one is buying that hyperbole.
You don’t get it. There is a revolution under way. You are not talking to the same people I am.
The reality is there is so much anger over the treasonous and pathetic job the bastards in DC have done that a lot of voters are willing to say FU and take a chance on the Donald. I might be in that group.
The GOP elites are consoling themselves that Trump supporters are Archie Bunker types. I could be angry about that, but it’s so far fetched that it’s funny.
There are an awful lot of us who have University degrees BUT we also have common sense. The professional liars in DC have held us captive for too many years because we haven’t had a lion manifest himself to bust their hold. We recognize that lion in Trump. Therefore his popularity. It’s really quite simple.
“They love him. They really, really love him.”
— The Flying Nun
This was not really a debate – more like a bad reality show. I am not changing my vote because one candidate had a better day disparaging another.
Why the Republican party lets the media turn these into Jerry Springer shows I do not understand.
Looks like America wants the house burned down and rebuilt in gold and marble.
I happen to be reading the Bonhoeffer book right now, and this phenomenon is making me more uncomfortable every day. I really hope my fears prove to be unfounded.
They revealed for the ignorant what a true piece of immoral garbage Trump is.
Trump doesn’t answer the questions. He doesn’t know anything specifically about what he would do, nor does he give any indication of how he would address adversity without just exploding at opponents.
I *hate* the donor party as much as the next guy but trump has a cult of personality a la obama. It’s sickening to watch. I’d vote 3rd party and pray 5% of the national vote goes to the 3rd conservative party so that they can appear in the next debate and therefore depose the donor party as the country’s conservative option.
Let’s face it, medicare part D, amnesty, John Roberts. The Republican party has beclowned itself.
What is showing sadly is we have conservative cool aide drinkers as dumb as the liberals have.
Rubio did better last night than most. Yet look deeper into a few of the things he said.
Does possession of $200mil guarantee that you will automatically end up with Trump’s empire some years later with no effort?
Is bankruptcy law legal?
Rubio is part of the governing body that is responsible for companies going overseas to make ties and suits in order to turn a profit.
Why does Marco Rubio want to negotiate with terrorists?
Admittedly, Cruz has had better nights, yet I’m not switching my vote on one performance.
As I recall, Ron Paul did very well in online polls as well.
TO illustr8r
I’ll be satisfied to not have the rug pulled out from under me this time.
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TO TL [sic]
Your “concern” – as in CONCERN TROLL – about conservatives is amusing, coming as it does A FEW DECADES too late, since Republicans who claimed the mantle of “conservatism” have in large part responsibility for the destruction of this country along with their Democrat colleagues.
Website polls mean little as they are so easy to game.
As was said above, consider how well Paul did in that kind of poll.
What some of the people who are appalled by Trump are missing is how disgusted the voters are with the last seven years of Obama’s transformation, and the weak response of the Republicans who were elected to stop that transformation. Trump’s ascendancy is a rejection of Obama/Clinton/Reid/Pelosi/McConnell/Boehner/Ryan and the Supreme Court’s chief justice/turncoat Roberts. Trump’s supporters want their country back, and they are gambling that Hillary Clinton can’t pull off a victory in the face of the unmitigated disaster that the last seven years has brought this country. We will soon find out if the leftist transformation has proceeded far enough to stop the counter revolution.
After 15 minutes of that “debate”, I had to go to bed. I think going forward, the GOP should just hold Hillary fundraisers, because that’s where we are headed. As much as I like Ted Cruz, and think he’s a genius, I honestly don’t know if anyone on that stage is smart enough to be president. If we had a smart GOP field, they would deflect every question into an attack on Obama and Hillary, not against each other, knowing that every word they say will be used against our future nominee.
I hate to say it, but after last night I think we should start getting used to Madame President, and should kiss our gun rights, our incomes, and our religious rights goodbye. We should also get ready for abortions up to the age of 5 – paid for by the few of us who will still be working.
It’s 8:00 in the morning and I really need some Jack Daniels.
Online polls are not reliable but neither are the so called mainline polls-Iowa anyone. What matters is the vote and the Donald is 3 for 4 in the voter column!
What worries me is that for all these folks who back Trump because of their anger at the Republican party establishment and the absolute desire to not “have the rug pulled out” or to “get things done”, what happens when Trump fails or changes his mind and goes in a direction you don’t want?
Just consider the fact that if Trump does play “Lucy” and pulls the ball out later, where does all that anger and emotion go and what will it look like because it has to go somewhere?
Trump is just a man and is just like the rest. He is merely saying he will do things, but because he says he is wealthy and supposedly successful his words are supposedly enough.
Trump has a history of changing positions and not just minor changes, but major changes that are drastically different. And yet his word that he means what he says now is enough.
Funny thing is just how much of what Trump says is false. Things like “nobody else can do or is” something like Trump is or other verbal mechanisms that are provably false. Yet it matters nothing to supporters all because Trump is the only man to them that will “change things” and “get things done”.
So a man who has nothing backing up his word other than more words and who has a proven history of changing positions drastically and who even now lies easily and often is going to do what he says he’s going to do and supporters absolutely believe him without any question.
So my concern comes down to what happens when a man who looks very likely to disappoint his followers does and their anger and frustration needs to go somewhere. How bad will the reaction be and how bad will it get in this country?
Drudges online poll before tuesday, reflected the actual voting results in nevada.
These debates are pitiful. Those candidates were made to look like fools on that stage last night. They should just stop. Nothing new is coming out except each candidates ability to stoop lower.
Woody – what a load of garbage.
Really Gladys, that’s all you have to say? Come on tell us how you really feel.
Honestly your response is about what I expected. At least from someone supporting Trump. It is the natural response that anyone even questioning the support of Trump gets because it seems that Trump’s supporters can’t even consider he might disappoint them. Anger and frustration are powerful emotions and seem to force people to shutdown anyone asking tough questions about their support.
The question is just as valid as asking people if Trump is the nominee will you vote for him in the general election. Or asking Cruz or Rubio supporters how they can support those guys when they have supposedly accomplished nothing and as such would disappoint if elected.
So Gladys, what happens if Trump’s elected and disappoints his supporters? Where does their anger and frustration go that was the driving force behind electing him?
Cannot believe the Republicans would support a nincompoop like Trump. He’s a name caller with no specific plans. Go to his website and see(nothing written) what his you tube videos say. Don’t have the time? Let me tell you. “Everyone is going to be happy”.
Woody….”Honestly your response is about what I expected. At least from someone supporting Trump”
Can you stoop lower please?
and Woody, just so you know where i am coming from, i’ve seen the inside of the republican party in my state, and it is ugly and disgusting, as i am sure all of them are. I would never, ever cheerlead for any of those candidates anymore unless I personally know them. They are compromisers, connivers and cheats. Not at first mind you.
I also am of the opinion that if cruz or sweatbot made it to the top, we may see a little change, but not enough to satisify the anger of the public.
So when a non-politician comes in and causes tidal waves and tsunamis in their cesspool, i rejoice. I have been around and seen their reactions, and i believe you will like what you will see. The change, it is a coming.
Just another response from a trump supporter.
Yeah, Woody – what a load of garbage. 😉
If Trump is lying and just wants the job instead of Hillary (stupid yuge leap btw) we will find he was just another lying politician.
If not, what do you do with your false insights, lousy predictions, anger and insults that are the driving force for you against him?
Gee, so much insult over asking a simple question…..
Suggesting that the mere asking of a question is a “load of garbage” is already lower Charlie and you suggesting my follow up was somehow lower just shows the emotion involved over this one simple question. Here let me lower the wording so it’s easier to understand.
What happens if Trump is elected and then disappoints his supporters? Where does all this emotion go and how is it vented?
Looking forward to an answer, but fully expecting more insults if any response happens at all.
Bad Brad, you nailed it. There is a Revolution going on – GOOD!
Sorry but aThe President of the USA should not be someone who is more at ease selling out the citizens of this country by promising illegals can stay in his NATIVE SPANISH on a Hispanic TV station . Vincent Fox perfectly explained the prevailing purpose that we US taxpayers serve to Hispanics–WE ARE THE “HOST” who provides for them. Fox is freaking out that the US may elect a president that does not “HOST” Hispanics. Rubio and Cruz are perfectly fine with that, HELL thats the culture they belong too. I want a president BORN HERE, RAISED HERE and LOYAL to THIS COUNTRY first and foremost. Fuck these imported imposters!
Sorry Charlie, I live in Kentucky. Trust me when I say I have seen the extremely ugly underbelly of the Republican party. We have Mitch McConnell for pete’s sake.
I think a lot of trust has been placed in Trump and if elected I don’t believe it will be as mellow as some would have us believe if he turns into a normal politician because so many have assigned so much to his candidacy.
Aggie, there is no danger if Trump is elected and turns out to be the real deal, I will be happy to have been wrong. My reaction will be positive because it will be a good where bad was expected.
But I worry more where so many have become devout believers that bad will happen where good was expected. People don’t react well when betrayed and I worry how this will manifest.
Just the reaction to asking this question and other posts questioning Trump sort of shows how much people have committed to Trump emotionally.
@Woody: “You said: What happens if Trump is elected and then disappoints his supporters? Where does all this emotion go and how is it vented?”
What if Trump doesn’t disappoint. If he gets elected there’s no doubt in my mind that he will piss off some of his supporters. The anger and emotion goes no where just like with Obama. However, with that anger comes a new President to vote for. I’ve been pissed off for 8 years now with Obama. The only thing I can do about it is to vote someone else in that I hope won’t disappoint me. I’m not counting on that. I’m counting on beating the liberals. I have no fear that Trump with try to take our guns away. I have no fear that he will open up the borders and let disease ridden people in. Those are my two worse fears. Pick your poison – Hillary or Trump.
I dont beleive you Woody. Devout followers? If they are proven right you are the fool, not those who trusted what he said.
At this very early stage of the primary selection process, it disheartens me to hear the number of people willing to abandon their real choice, to vote for tRump. Why not save that desperate vote for the general election?
Everyone, at this point, should vote for the person they support. Each, if nominated, when pitted against Hillary has a good chance:
-tRump has just about as much experience dodging litigation as Hillary, so they can rattle each other’s skeletons.
-Rubio is perhaps less successful keeping cool in a defensive posture, and often seems to allow his wanting to be in the click, to blow him around, which makes him look wishy-washy. But he is a hell of a lot better than Hillary.
-Cruz is the only one who has won against tRump, to date. He is the only one left standing, who has bucked the go-along-with-Obama, congress. We have SEEN the result of his standing strong with principals and promises; rejection of him by RINO GOP and MSM. Isn’t that a strong point?
-Kasich and Carson, hard to say. Kasich is a bit too kum bai ya for me and as wonderful as Carson is, he is just not up to a street fight with Hillary, who constantly plays dirty.
Don’t be fooled once again, by the political establishment and horrid MSM. The person they fear the most is Ted Cruz. Why else would they be pushing that Cruz needs to step aside. BULLSHIT.
BULLSHIT to not backing your candidate, whichever that person is at this point. But, if that candidate doesn’t win the nomination, do not pick up your marbles and go home. Any republican, even of unknown or wishy-washy stance, is 100% better than 4 years more of the liberal agenda on steroids.
What many people are overlooking (intentionally or not) is that Trump is:
1) Smart — He has a demonstrable grasp of business and economics in their many facets — that is his academic background as well as the span of his working life. The leaders of this country have forgotten that the business of America is business. It is the basis of our unique capitalist system and small business is its primary engine. Without business we are, necessarily, a socialist nation in which the government provides for the people and, handsomely, for itself.
2) Hard Working — He has a demonstrable history of working long hours, perseverance in the face of difficult and, at times, insurmountable obstacles, and has continued in his own profession way past a time when he could have taken retirement and lived well off his success. At sixty-nine years old he has the physical and mental constitution of one decades younger with the added wisdom of having been knocked around in the world of business and life, and both of these on the public stage.
3) Knows What Needs to Be Done (has a deep knowledge of general project management and ‘critical path’) — These are skills that are treasured by employers the world over regardless of the industry in which they are acquired because of their transferability. This knowledge enables one to quickly sort through a tangle of competing issues, grasp their dependencies, develop best/worst case scenarios and immediately set to work on solutions even when there might be many unsettled downstream aspects to the project.
3.a.) People possessing this one discipline understand the importance of gaining consensus among and between hostile factions; they view themselves as the catalyst to setting the goals, pace and quality of the finished project. (Trump’s many references to “on time, under budget”, getting along with “everyone”). They inculcate their high standards through public recognition and reward of their project teams. While they have little patience for team members who actively work to demoralize and sabotage, or lazy people who take undue credit, a great leader will usually find ways to turn these behaviors and attitudes around (Trump’s references to “cajole” ).
These are just three areas that I and people like Bad_Brad, Czar of D and others recognize as vital to many of the proposed changes Donald Trump talks about. If you are unfamiliar with them or view Trump through the lens of the typical D.C. way of life, you can’t be blamed for thinking his proposals are pie-in-the-sky or outright lies. Donald Trump brings with him an entirely new blueprint for how to work. For many of us, this is how our government should work and we are thrilled at having this level of competence at work for us.
Excellent at American Thinker: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/02/three_simple_questions_for_trump_supporters.html
Sam, you’re very clear with your feelings in how you address Trump. Ironic, you trying to bully Trump supports. Same with the linked article.
Disheartened? Really?, by an online poll? Those who are really voting for and pushing Trump to the win are not throwing away their votes and your desperation is wasted on them.
Watching the process and making decisions based on what one thinks will likely happen is the choice for those willing to support a candidate who was not their first pick.
Self rightious indignation isnt proof that others are idiots or even wrong.
GoldenFoxx,
I stated clearly I will be happy if Trump is elected and doesn’t disappoint.
Aggie,
“If they are proven right you are the fool, not those who trusted what he said.”
My question and the posts here have little to do with who is a fool, but rather with how those emotionally investing in Trump will react if he does betray them. If you can’t understand that then I am sorry. But as for me regarding if Trump is elected and doesn’t disappoint, see my reply above.
Abagail Adams,
I read your post a couple times and I must apologize, but it is very general, very ambiguous, and feels more like someone assigning their desires to a candidate. Looking for things in the man that don’t exist when the details are examined. I hope you get what you believe is in Trump, but I fear you will be very disappointed if he is elected and it’s business as usual.
Abigail, the points you raise about Trump are valid. The thing that bothers me the most is the support he gets from liberals and the MSM.
That he is extremely successful and bold is super, but some of the ash left from his stomp to success is worth looking at, and the MSM gives him a pass. That alone is a red flag to me.
The MSM never fails to dig deep for even small things to tear down a conservative candidate. But they seem to take the greatest joy in Trump’s bull-in
-glass-store approach to campaigning. Just look at his endorsements from some of the liberals! Harry-freaking-Reid, for heaven!s sake!
That is the reason I am very cautious in supporting Trump. However, if he becomes the GOP nominee, despite my support of another candidate, I WILL gladly vote for him, an iffy choice, rather than face a 100% for sure, four more years of the known liberal on steroids candidate.
Emotional voting got us Obama. Maybe that is an underlying rumble stirring caution about tRump.
This excerpt is perfect for this discussion:
February 26, 2016
Donald Trump: The Gift that Keeps on Giving….To the Left
By Patricia McCarthy
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/02/donald_trump_the_gift_that_keeps_on_givingto_the_left.html#ixzz41IQ9XEPA
“One has only to write a word or two critical of Trump to discover how mind-numbed and vitriolic his supporters can be. They no longer think critically; they attack, insult and demean just like their idol Mr. Trump does. Their weapon against dissenters is vicious invective that proves their inability to think critically. They never consider the possible validity of Trump’s critics’ justifiable unease. They just go verbally for the jugular. “
“I didn’t think Donald Trump had all that good of a night”
It’s the movement we’ve been waiting for, which no longer requires slaying the dragon…they’re all bleeding out and the voters are NOT coming to their aid!
Look at Fox News for example; Down 50% from three years ago is brought to you by the Donald AND ex-Fox viewers.
I’ll not pick sides between the Republican candidates, although I do “feel” that Rubio isn’t ready for prime time.
Both Trump and Cruz have the Republican base fired up and that is good. From my perspective it is the Democrats that are in disarray. I don’t see either Dem candidate taking a majority of voters away from their party opponent. We better not make that mistake between our two top candidates.
0bama has proven that ONE person isn’t the president. In this era a presidency is the sum total of all the people they appoint into all the sub positions that control the people’s government. 0bama is a schmuck but he understands this approach to power. That’s why he can screw off golfing day after day. He has himself surrounded by brown nose, dogmatic ideologues.
Democrats are street fighters who pack together. I like the fact that Trump is also a street fighter. It’s about time the Republicans grow a pair and start punching back. Cruz is a smart guy, incredibly intelligent. But in a street fight I think he would try to litigate rather than punch his way out.
My hope is that these two end up working together for all of us.
If they can swallow their pride they would make a killer team.
Willy-“My question and the posts here have little to do with who is a fool, but rather with how those emotionally investing in Trump will react if he does betray them. If you can’t understand that then I am sorry. But as for me regarding if Trump is elected and doesn’t disappoint, see my reply above.”
First, I called you the fool if and when you are shown to be wrong about a Trump presidency. You expect bad and predict it with glee.
Second, I answered your slight about his supporters, I understand perfectly. The slight being your constant use of terms meant to suggest your intellect is superior to Trump voters who deal in emotion (emotional invested, devout followers, anger) lacking thought and deserving of your mockery
Woody writes “what happens when Trump fails or changes his mind and goes in a direction you don’t want?”
Trump is the RESULT of ELECTED Republicans who changed their minds and direction!
Right now – TRUMP IS WORTH THE CHANCE!
Woody,
You can’t have read any of Trump’s books, or know much about his life, because if you had you would know these are the facts of his experience.
if you want to discuss or argue the specifics of what I have written then let’s do that. otherwise I don’t think you want to really know anything about Trump as much as you want to argue against the intelligence of his supporters.
that being the case, I am justifiably insulted by your comments.
I may read your comments but you’ll understand why I will not be responding to them in the future.
Aggie,
First, it isn’t foolish to view any candidate with a skeptical view. I am doing this with Trump and I have done it with Cruz, Rubio, etc.. It is the reason we search the background of each candidate to determine the chance of that candidate following through on the “campaign promises” they are making now. If Trump keeps his promises in spite of his past giving a different impression than great and congratulations on seeing something others did not. That does not make you better then them and it doesn’t make them foolish. That is your backhanded insult of anyone who isn’t supporting Trump.
Second, no matter how gently it is phrased, any question put out there that does not place Trump in a glowing light seems to draw absolutely emotional responses with insults and in some cases profanity. This phenomenon would seem to indicate a large emotional investment by many Trump supporters. Maybe I am wrong, but that is how it appears. You don’t agree and seek to assign to me that because I make this observation I am making myself superior. Actually I question allowing emotion to close off inquiry. Trump should be just as free game as any other candidate, but how many threads here have devolved into mere insults when it comes to Trump and showing any proof of his failings.
If someone tries to close off inquiry or someone else from putting forth a view with proof than they are deserving of mockery.
Abagail Adams,
Sorry you feel insulted, but it wasn’t my intent with that comment.
As for Trump’s books; Trump: The Art of the Deal and Time to Get Tough are sitting to my right on a bookshelf and have been read with even The Art of the Deal gone through twice.
I have read your comments and cannot find the same view after reading his books, hearing his speeches, and even watching two different documentary movies.
The man has some good, but inevitably the good is a thin veneer over the top of some either not so good or outright bad.
I just found the view given to be a construct based on what you hope that Trump is like versus what his background seems to show.
Woody,
Nope, if Trump does well you will look the fool with your active and aggressive push against him and his voters.No backhanded insult, I was direct. Furthermore, voters willing to take him at his word on the campaign dont see something you missed, nice try. They just were not swayed.
By the same token, those who believe him stand to be duped, as already posted, if he is just Hillary in a better suit.
I have to ask, are you trying to convice anyone that you actually worry about the fragile emotional well being of the poor schmuck follower being betrayed by Trump? But you, having spent so much energy to educate and belittle everyone about what a disaster he is going to be will just brush it off if you’re wrong?
I turned the shit off.
It was like a parody of a stupid reality show.
The good news is Trumpeter has only like 6.5% of the necessary minimum delegates to give him the nomination, only 5.2 (I think) ahead of Cruz. It is by no means even close to being over.
I am a college educated, former CIA SOCOM operator from the US Army, and an angry white christian voter. Trump all the way, baby
Ranger76, and I here that through out all the military people, whether 24 and fresh out, or a Nam vet. Thank Gawd the military is still producing patriots.