By- Ann Nonymous Prime
I wasn’t going to ask to post anything, because of the deeply personal nature of grief, but I have changed my mind.
More than once, over the last few days, I have read various people’s comments on several blogs and on twitter–comments such as this one: “I don’t know anyone who has coronavirus, let alone died from it. Do you?”
Perhaps, in my state of mind, I have read too much into this. But what I read is a veiled implication that the virus is a hoax. I am writing to say to those people, it is NOT a hoax. It is dreadfully and painfully real; it shatters families and leaves many grieving.
My cousin died a few days ago, after a long battle with COVID-19. He was a retired full Colonel in the Marine Corps; right now, his wife is trying to figure out how to have a funeral, with full military honors and with the family present, in these uncertain, quarantine-bound times. And everything is complicated by the fact that she is in isolation at home, recovering from COVID herself… So no one has been able to see her and physically comfort her. It’s been very hard on her and on the entire family.
The last time she saw her husband was when they both went to the Emergency Room. Once they were separated there, she never saw him again. For two weeks, all she had was daily phone calls from the hospital while she was in solitary isolation.
They both are dedicated members of their church. He was a faithful and committed Christian who did more years of lay ministry than I can count. His life and faith touched countless people, and he was much loved and respected. They passed their faith down to all their children and grandchildren.
When the doctors determined–after two weeks of anguish and diminishing hope–that he was dying, and there was nothing else that they could do, they called his wife at home and then put the phone up to his ear, so that she could speak to him. Although he was sedated and possibly unconscious, we KNOW that people have reported being able to hear what was said to them. I honor the doctors for doing that for her and for him.
Even more do I honor them for this: they allowed one of the ministers of his church–the one my cousin had worked with for years–to be with him during his last hours, masked, gloved and gowned. He held my cousin’s hand and reviewed all the years of ministry they had done together, to remind him of what he had done in the name of the Lord. He stayed until my cousin died, and then was able to call my cousin’s wife to let her know that her husband had died peacefully, in his sleep.
So yes, the virus is real and deadly. I hope that those who deny its deadliness–in some cases even implying that it is a hoax–well, I hope that they never have to live through what our family just lived through.
But I also abhor what “the powers that be” have done to our country in the name of this pandemic; it is over the top and stifling us. The loss of our freedoms and the imposition of a soft police state are being stuffed down our throats.
This is the truth: they have manipulated and used a REAL and deadly disease to further their own yearnings for tyrannical power and control. We can both resist that and grieve for those who have lost precious ones.
So it is not an either/or situation. It is a both/and.
Eternal rest grant to him, O Lord; and let light perpetual shine upon him. May his soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace.
Semper fi, Colonel.
Condolences!
Tank you for your painful post!
It needed to be said.
VERY SORRY, FUR.
GOOD POST / REALITY CHECK.
GODSPEED TO THE FAMILY.
Sad, sobering and true. Let it serve as a reminder of how insidious this virus truly is that China has turned loose on the world.
My condolences.
gimmeabreak
nobody said it wasn’t real and deadly. most of us just said it’s like the flu and we didn’t shut down anything for the flu. the flu kills people, too. as a matter of fact, the flu kills about the same number of people as the chinese virus.
this article is strawman bullshit. started off with the ‘why do people say it isn’t real’ bogus lie.
am i supposed to give this woman’s article a break after she lied about us just because someone died?
this is just like democrats do. put up somebody your not supposed to criticize so they can lie their ass off about you without a response.
FUCK THAT
As time goes on we will learn more about this germ. It is unfortunate that others will pay the ultimate price for that knowledge. I do hope that as a society we don’t allow it to cripple our resolve. We must never give China the benefit of the doubt on this subject. We also need to follow up and fully investigate the negligence on behalf of the WHO and we need answers as to why certain members of our elites are financially cozy with that organization. This effort should honor those who died from it. They deserve no less.
62 to 79 million people died last year from the flu. The CDC seems to change that number at will. 250 thousand from medical malpractice. According to the cdc. Why didn’t we shut down the hospitals?
The hoax with this flu is that every death that sort of had symptoms is the flu to juice the numbers and keep the country bankrupt. That’s the hoar you idiot and I am not being cold and unsympathetic to point it out
@uh,no.
Right there with you. The virus does kill just like the flu.
If the government can take your rights away from you then give them back whenever they want, you have no rights, you just have permissions!
Jpm April 22, 2020 at 7:48 am
62 to 79 million people died last year from the flu.
Not sure about your numbers, Jpm
As of the middle of April, it looks like the coronavirus may kill about 60,000 people in the USA. In comparison, according to this CNN report, 80,000 people died of the flu during the 2017-2018 season. And, funnily enough, the CDC recently revised its number for that flu season downwards, to about 61,000. A cynic might say that they decided to push it down to make it appear not as bad as COVID-19.
The disease is serious, the models are bogus, what we have done to our economy is criminal
Thank you for putting a face on a number. This is the first time I have ever seen that done. I have seen a few here and elsewhere claiming to know people infected or dead from Chinavirus, but no specifics on who these people are or were. I have seen some claiming to be sainted health care workers under siege, again without any verifiable specifics.
We are not supposed to question their claims or we will be called cruel and partisan, but in a crisis, the left loves to flood the zone with fake victims and fake heroes to churn the drama, and this particular crisis is becoming faker by the day. The left really does not like us comparing notes and discovering the truth, and people realizing that they ate not alone in their doubt and cynicism is not a good thing for the current crisis narrative. If you see something, say something. And if you don’t see something, don’t be aftaid to say that, either.
Ann Nonymous Prime,
Sorry for your loss.
Retired Full Colonel in the Marines? Age, please.
General health? Any medical issues of any kind?
Anything (other than the name) to differentiate this flu from another?
“People over 65 are most likely to get a serious illness, as are those who live in nursing homes or long-term care facilities, who have weakened immune systems, or who have medical conditions including:
Moderate to severe asthma
Heart, lung, or liver disease
Kidney disease that needs dialysis
Severe obesity
Diabetes”
(WebMD)
Similar corona virus to that which gives us MERS, SARS, and the common cold – any of which can kill. A question of risk assessment.
izlamo delenda est …
My condolences for your loss.
That being said, 1,000s of people in the US die every day. The larger point is we’re not destroying the lives of millions of Americans because of any kind of disease, infectious or not.
The recently released results of the study done in Santa Clara makes it clear that millions of us have gotten the Chinese flu and never even knew it.
The fact it kills some people and sickens some others(I’d bet anything the bug I got in mid-Feb is the Chinese flu) does not make the case for locking this country down.
Sweden and Brazil took none of these ridiculous measures and are experiencing about the same results as us.
It’s just another strain of the flu not ebola. Get a fucking grip.
Manipulation of DATA is a standard of those that prefer to live in perception rather than reality. Can’t talk about the virus until the impeachment is over. Vile. Don’t wear masks, do wear masks…the virus will pass through any old regular fabric but it makes people feel better?!?! We lost an Aunt 84, and an uncle 89 within 2 days of one another. Typhoid Mary situation with a visiting nurse- who did have symptoms. People make mistakes but if you’re in HEALTH care, you’d think you’d know better. Both older, former smokers who did have other health issues but were quarantined at home to be safe. Real. Flu kills.
Very sorry for your loss.
Yes, China needs to pay. The politicians taking advantage of a situation like this need to pay.
The Bill of Rights is not a suggestion.
The comments about the flu killing also are true.
My son and 3 or 4 others where he works had the flu. It was a bad one. My son said he had never been so sick in his life. He was tested and the docs said it was a severe flu.
One of their truck drivers left Fri with the flu and by Sun was dead.
We will always have viruses and germs and evil until Christ returns.
If you are older, sick, have pre-existing conditions, no matter what comes around, even the common cold, you are vulnerable.
We can not shut down society. As cruel and cold as it sounds. If we who are pretty healthy can’t take care of ourselves, we won’t be able to take care of those who need help and care.
JPM, who you calling “idiot” and what is a “hoar”? (Whore or horror??)
Relax and temper your irrational reading comprehension.
I grieve with you, Ann, from what you have said, this sounds to have been a exemplary man, one whom has earned respect as a warrior and a citizen alike, and was well loved by family and friends, which can be the best epitath of all for a man when he lays down his trophies. He sounds also to have been a good servant of the Lord, and as such we should not morn him greatly, as he will be well-rewarded at the right hand of the Lord even as we speak.
Because of this, he no longer needs our prayers. Instead, we should turn our attentions to his family, in particular his loving and afflicted wife, who is berift of even normal human conforts in the current political environment, deprived of family, of friends, of even the deceny to see her own husband off to be with the Lord. We should be burdened for this woman and lift her up in prayer, as she is at more risk from this loss than at any flu. I have documented before that long term marrieds tend to follow each other closely when one goes to be with the Lord, and she may yet be needed here, so we should pray her healing.
Dear Lord, we come before You today on behalf of a sister in Christ who has been doubly afflicted, with a disease of the body and with the evil of Men. We ask that You grant her healing in body, deal severely with those who would use her greif for their own evil ends and whose selfish evil keeps her from the comfort of even her own family, and grant her the blessed assurance that her husband is by Your side, and the strength to do what must be done, and the wisdom to draw closer to You that she may live in Your light, and be reunited with her husband at Your feet when her race is finally run. Touch all of that family, grant them that same assurance, and use this to increase those bonds of love they share between each other and with You, that all may be at peace in Your arms.
In the precious name of Jesus, Amen.
This man was a warrior for both God and Country, though, a patriot, and one who has fought the enemies of our Nation, AND a lay minister who fought against the principalities and the powers of satan, and we would be remiss to not realize he may well be a casualty of them, as are we ALL. Such a one would likely want to see such enemies who have caused, and continue to cause, the deaths of Americans for their own purposes to be brougth to earthly justice, and to not profit by removing even one more warrior such as him from the battlefield, and to not allow them to continue to torment his nation and even his own wife.
Let us not forget that we ARE at war. Not one of our choosing, but one the Democrats have waged, and ARE waging, on us even as we speak.
And that the FIRST casualty of War is Truth.
It is said this man dies of COVID. And I am quite sure this is said by family and friends on the best information the hospital has provided them. I do NOT believe those who have told US this are lying.
It is the hospital I am questioning. The hospital, and those who may have their thumbs on the hospital’s reports.
I’ve spent some time around hospitals, seen the ebb and flow of life and death, and have reasons to doubt what THEY are saying.
For one thing, they are VERY quick to say “COVID death” these days. This is because it’s quick, it’s easy, it won’t get investigated very closely, and it brings them more money. This is ALSO because it serves a political agenda to do so. The way that death is said to be by COVID is being done in a way that we have NEVER classfied deaths before, in that if COVID is SUSPECTED to be present and a person dies, it is accepted as a COVID death. Other issues are not considered, sometimes the DX of COVID isn’t even verified, and can we even BELIVE the tests if they ARE positive? There have been MANY false positives at this point, so that is suspect TOO.
Death declaritions did not USED to be simple things. Death offices like to be specific, in ways that aren’t always availabe when someone passes that day, but may have once required some post-mortem testing and autopsies that we seem to have dispensed with. For example, if a doctor says a patient dies of “Pneumonia”, this is NOT sufficient. Was it LOBAR, or BRACHIAL pneumonia? Well, you can only establish that at autopsy. Can you do that TONIGHT? Probably NOT.
All of that preciseness, that detail, that tracking meant to make every death a learning experience and discover if maybe the doctor or the hospital may have made an error that resulted in the death, meaning the death was AVOIDABLE?
Gone.
Let’s just call it COVID and move on. After all, he WAS sick…
…All I’m saying is that it’s just too easy, and NOT what we’ve done in the past. And it’s NOT becasue the hospitals are overwhelmed, either. So why IS that done NOW?
Because it serves a political agenda?
Probably.
Because the doctor screwed up and doesn’t want to get caught?
Maybe.
Because the hospital staff made a mistake or exposed a patient needlessy to some OTHER thing that killed him, and doesn’t want to get sued?
Could be.
Perhaps things aren’t as cut-and-dried as “COVID”, but we’ll never know if no one looks deeper and just uncritically accepts that as the cause of death…
…Hospitals are not, generally, evil places, but they ARE staffed by humans, and humans make mistakes. All of the nurses here will back me on this, that families DO need to watch what hospitals and their imperfect persons are doing, for the sake of their own loved ones. Doctors kill people so often, the word “Iatrogenic” was created to cover problems that were CASUED by doctors. Hospitals themselves sicken people so often that ANOTHER word, “nosocomial”, was created to cover THAT.
I won’t go into details AGAIN as I have numerous times, but I very recently had a hospital accidentally try to kill my son after a surgery, and would have suceeded had we not insisted on being in his hospital room the whole time he was recovering, and stopped them from allowing him to die while they waited for a phone call from a doctor that never came. Had we have gone home that night, we would have picked up his corpse in the morning, and God knows what the hospital would have told us about it.
This man did NOT have that backstop. He was alone in a room with nothing but telemetry and occasional doctor and nurse visits. No one was checking what was being done, if the hospital was perhaps ignoring some allergies, or maybe using the wrong treatment, or simply missed a treatment or two and never let on. With no one who LOVED him there to watch, it fell to people who were, as hospital personnel HAVE to be for their own sanity, at best, dispassionate observers. This can lead to inadvertent, unplanned, and avoidable loss of life.
I don’t know if mistakes were made…but they COULD have been.
I don’t know if his death was avoidable…but it COULD have been.
But now, we’ll never know, will we?
This new trend to just cast someone aside with a garbage, half-baked diangnosis of death accepted uncritally with little to no further investigation is anathemia to the GOOD practice of medicine. Each death SHOULD be a learing expeirence, an investigation into the efficaty of people, the methods, and the drugs used in order to advance the cause of medicine and learn if additional training or revised procedures are needed, what went WELL, and what when WRONG, all to advance the cause of Life.
This just feels like he was dumped, pigeonholed, and cast aside with an easy out, to advance the cause of politics.
God Bless this woman. My own mother was propped up by all her children and literally hundreds of mourners at my own father’s death, and after 45 years of marriage, she NEEDED to be. Arranging a death of ANYONE can be daunting, arragning a death of a loved one while you’re grieving can be OVERWELMING, and doing so while YOURSELF in the shadow of death is INCONCEIVABLE, but she HAS to do it.
May the Lord help her.
…but may the Lord punish those who would make this death something it’s NOT, use it cynically to their own ends, treat it as just another excuse to destroy a President and a Nation, to feed the devil’s spirit of fear in this land and turn it to the devil’s purposes that they serve.
May God give us the strenth to see through their deceits, send them to be judged by them when the time is come, and to turn to Him to heal this land when all is over.
But ultimately, we cannot govern our own affairs, and we are poorly goverend by those who WOULD. We must turn to the Lord for the ultimate correction.
As he commands.
“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
2 Chronicles 7:14
…a man such as the one being morned today, a pillar of his church and the minister of his family, would support this.
God Bless,
SNS
Until more people recognize the fact that leftists are invariably wicked, godless murderers at heart and have NO true consideration for human life and the rights of others, it is certain that they will bring us all down into the rubble and dust of history. That’s inevitable for all societies but it’s not like we’ll have the excuse that we couldn’t know. They’re not blindsiding us — if you’ve listened and understood, they’ve told us for decades who they really are and what they really want. If only more people listened and believed them.
Humanists are capable of any atrocity, giving the right self-justification. To refuse to believe people can be that evil is, itself, humanistic. It’s what’s killing us.
Ann, thank you for writing to us about what happened. I can only speak for myself, but I value your input on this blog. Please keep commenting! You have a good mind – and soul – and obviously your deceased cousin was a wonderful man. The best to you and your extended family. -Jim
I would like to thank everyone who responded to Ann in understanding and comfort.
For those of you who are angry, you are correct to be angry at China, W.H.O., CDC and the government employees (our overlords) who are using this very serious (as are all the flu viruses) ChinaVirus to harm. It is an evil, vile person, living in darkness of their spirit and soul, who festers in hate who are to blame.
The victim and their families are not to blame. I don’t understand the anger directed at Ann. She wrote a heart-felt plea for understanding. Don’t lash out at her for answering the question asked many times if anyone knows someone with this virus. She even said that her pain in thinking that people think this ChinaVirus is a hoax is maybe her grief talking.
Ann did say that there is a hoax involved with this, but it’s not that the deaths are not real, it’s the manipulation of the facts by those who hate and desire power more than the good of mankind.
I present this quote from Bad_Brad from another thread (https://iotwreport.com/trump-whats-up-doc/):
“And I don’t care how bad of health you were in, if you would still be alive if not for the Corona Virus then that’s what killed you.”
@ SNS
Small side note to your perfect post.
The word laity or lay needs to be dropped from are thinking. It denotes not being qualified or approved. If we know Jesus we are all approved and qualified in his sight and what else matters in regards to that?
Moses didn’t think he was qualified either, so I guess we’re in good company.
“Ann did say that there is a hoax involved with this, but it’s not that the deaths are not real, it’s the manipulation of the facts by those who hate and desire power more than the good of mankind.”
exactly
I came late to the Irish wake…
Thank you @ Ann Nonymous Prime, that was a difficult thing for you to do.
Regardless of what ANYONE, and I mean any effing one actually thinks of the WhuFlu, we all want to be with our loved ones when THAT time comes whenever, wherever that may be. And, we hope for someone to be there in our time of need.
THAT is what THIS is about. Normally, in SANE times regardless of your ailment, you have someone, if you are lucky enough, to be there with you, to hold your hand, to stroke your hair and farhead.
It is ONLY because of CV-19, and how that virus us being ‘treated’, that we are hearing more about stories like this. HORRIBLE. I cannot imagine.
Put yourSELF in this persons shoes and you should be WISE to try and think otherwise…
“Who’ gonna watch you die?”
What Sara Said – Death Cab for Cutie – 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNacDL-Z9Z0
My heart-felt condolences to you and your family.
In a sad time it is a powerful hope that he has died in Christ, may the Lord bless and comfort you and your family.
@uh,no – you got a lot of likes there, not bad. Is that really the popular belief out there?? If so? May God help us.
What you read was not an ‘article’, it was a Testimony you asshole.
Perhaps you have never had someone close to you die before to make such stupid fucking callous inane comments.
The Flaming Lips – Do YOU Realize?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPXWt2ESxVY
HP
^^^Well said, Horatio.
Comfort and encouragement is sent from my family to yours on the loss of a loved one.
And now to address the hoax “hoax” accusations.
On three separate occasions I nearly lost my son to the common cold. He is in his 20’s and got some sort of viral infection that compromised his system and then his spleen turned on him, kicking out massive amounts of the stuff that takes out germs and viruses. One doctor ran the tests twice because he couldn’t believe that a 20-something year old male could be put at deaths door due to a type of cold that only affects the very young or the very old.
I know the heartache of sitting in the emergency room at 1 in the morning wondering if they’ll pull through – this time.
My son recently had his spleen removed and is much better now, but still compromised and we aren’t taking any chances with this flu.
When I was reading the news out of China in January I said then that this is either a case of Darwin proving his theory correct or Mother Nature proving what a bitch she really is (I even said it exactly in those terms to my pastor and he nodded in agreement).
YES! WE KNOW IT IS REAL! WE ARE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS! BUT STOP WITH THE “YOU GUYS AREN’T TAKING THIS SERIOUS ENOUGH!” BULLSHIT.
What you and everyone else is saying is that you never took the normal every year seasonal flu seriously. IT KILLS TOO YOU KNOW!
What you and everyone else is really saying is that you never gave a seconds thought to people who are killed by the common cold every single year.
Ann Nonymous Prime – I’m truly sorry for your loss!
Sorry that proper arrangements can’t be made because someone else who shouldn’t be in power has made it impossible to get anything done.
And I know that this is probably not the right time for you to hear this, because it is real and the grief “hurts like hell”.
But is this how we handle the typical yearly flu season from now on?
“Oh my gosh, I’ve lost someone I loved and you guys just aren’t taking this serious enough”.?
People at work have routinely made jokes about the common cold, just like anywhere else. Not once have I said “hey you guys know about my son and you need to stop with the stupid and insensitive comments” or “the cold isn’t a hoax, it is really killing people”.
WE KNOW IT’S REAL ALREADY!!!
SICK AND TIRED OF THIS SAME STORY BEING PLAYED OUT EVERY TIME SOMEONE DIES!
50,000 deaths out of a population of 328.2M = <1%
Odds are the vast majority of people don't know anybody who has or had it.
Sorry for your loss.
We know it's real. We know it kills.
So does the common cold and very few have given that two seconds thought.
I don't wish this flu on anyone, not even the ex-wife.
But it is still the flu.
Unfortunately you are finding out how little people really care about the every year seasonal flu, let alone the common cold.
It feels insensitive and it feels like no one cares.
Believe me I know.
I'm truly sorry for your families loss and hope that all around you can provide the comfort and support needed.
The anger and hard feelings directed toward Ann seems misplaced. It’s not like she is a policy maker on how our government is responding to this. I appreciate her perspective and I’m sorry for her loss.
My girls are longing to go see my folks in Illinois. Mom is 78 and in reasonably good health, she’s putting out potatoes as I write this. But Dad is 82 with one lung and just fought off a kidney stone out of nowhere so he’s not firing on all cylinders yet. They and we would love for us to go there, as all us can work via their wireless, but we agree that we can’t risk us unwittingly transmitting something from Florida to deep rural southern Illinois where, so far, there isn’t one known case. Mom confided that Dad was terrified (by no means his normal nature) of going to the ER over the stone. When he got there it was empty, but he was still spooked that he’d catch corona.
Don’t think I’m not sympathetic of the losses people are facing, including Ann. I empathize and and grieve with those who grieve. But at the risk of sounding asshoe, I just hope (maybe in vain) that enough people will see how the Left have successfully manipulated this into a power play that may cost us 2020. But even if not, we have GOT to acknowledge the asymmetrical warfare being waged on our liberties before the next “accidental” release, or before the next time Spanish flu naturally does it’s thing and pulls another 1918. Somehow, something like this WILL happen again so forgive my crude paraphrase…
“Those who won’t learn from the past, or don’t learn from the present, are screwed.”
Late to the party. And this won’t be popular but I’m going to throw this out anyway.
It’s my opinion, we as a group, occasionally overreact to the medias attempt to weaponize an event against our side/our President. Bottom line, a foreign Government, at the least, failed to control a virus that grew in their country. Failed to warn the world in time. Eventually un necessarily killing a lot of people. Not to mention grinding the world wide economy to a dead stop. My personal opinion is this will prove to be an intentional act. It’s well documented that Trump acted real early and correctly. Saving a lot of lives. It troubles me that we are this vulnerable to this type of attack. And you can thank Bush and Obama for that.
Right now, what scares me most is not the Chicom biowar sneak attack. I’m most scared of the very real possibility that the Left will push through proxy voting (Pelosi demanding that now) or whatever else they can rig in favor of reducing turnout at physical polls. That will let them go far toward stealing the whole shooting match.
All they have to do is keep fear hyped up for the next six months that enough people will be AFRAID to go vote…or they just get enough governors to shut down in person voting.
Can they pull it off? Don’t know, but they’re damn well already aiming for it AND THEY’RE MAKING NO SECRET OF IT.
Trump and the Rs have six months to let things get up and running again so enough people say “Hey, life can go on after all.” The very thing the Democrats don’t want.
My wife’s employer for 30 years passed away last week. He had run a small business in our small town community for 45 years after purchasing it from his uncle. He had been in poor health over the last several years. His death was not attributed to coronavirus.
But the coronavirus shutdown limited the people allowed come to his wake and funeral. No one but immediate family permitted. More people were allowed to follow the hearse to the cemetery, but were told to either remain in their cars or stand at a distance from the grave site, while maintaining social distancing from each other. He had lived and worked his entire life in a small town, and as a result was well known. I’m sure many people wanted to attend his funeral but were not permitted.
Anyway, I don’t think anyone thinks covid-19 is a hoax. Only that it’s rate of mortality isn’t hugely higher than other things that take thousands of lives every year, and the quarantine policy has been taken way to far.
The virus isn’t a hoax.
The initial models and projections probably weren’t. Probably.
But continuing to rely on them for a never-ending source of fear-based mind control, even as they continue to tweak the numbers downward, THAT is a hoax and it needs to end NOW.
My love and prayers are with you and your family, Ann. 😔💔
Ann, I’m sorry for your loss. Wishing you the best during this difficult time.