All I ask is that you be HONEST WITH YOURSELVES when I present the following question.
Please, no smartass answers that attempt to skirt the question I’m about to ask-
If Trump ran as a democrat and he marched out on the stage with Clinton and Sanders, and he delivered the same arguments, the same speeches, the same platform as he did during the republican debates, who amongst us on the right would look at the Tee Vee and say, “he’s worse than Hillary!!!!”?
(I not only drop the mic, I drop the entire P.A. system.)
If Trump ran as a Democrat and proposed the Wall, stopping Muzzie immigration, protecting the 2nd, and bringing our manufacturing base back, I’d be voting for a Democrat for the first time in my life.
Trump “is” a democrat – always has been. . .still not as bad a Hillary.
No One is as bad as Hillary! #neverhillary!
Would he be any more believable than Sanders considering that he lived his whole life opposed to those things and has always supported leftist and communists running for office?
As a Democrat, he would be laughed off the stage by people in both parties.
It would, however, be a much more honest position considering his dislike and declared war on the Republican party and it’s traditions along with his open warfare on the only news outlet that allows conservative representation while laying praise on all the left wing ones.
It is true that I would have more respect for him as a Democrat than I have for him now.
No wonder you like Cruz so much, John. You answer questions like him.
The answer is NO. No one on the right would listen to Trump on the stage and say, “this guy is worse than Hillary.”
People wouldn’t say it then, but they say it now, and for reasons other than him being “worse than Hillary.”
Excellent point.
Conservatism has a new definition. It now mean protect the GOP status quo.
One thing, and it is important to me, Trump is on the wrong side of the transgender bathroom, locker room, schools, businesses, it is a violation of privacy. Who wants their little girls and daughters, wives being exposed to naked men? On the street they are arrested for that. When child molesters, rapists go after children, teens, women there is going to be a reckoning.
This is a big effing issue, Trump needs to get his mind straight on this.
So in the issue I mentioned above there is no difference between hillary and donald.
I like what Shapiro said: Donald Trump is a “loose cannon,” will not play. She’s a loose cannon, too – but she’s a calculated loose cannon. Trump is a faulty firearm, detonating haphazardly; she’s a properly working firearm aimed in the wrong direction at all times.
so there is no one worse than shillary but I am tired of voting against people instead of for them. Dole, Bush, Romney, ….
BB, for the record. I do not think Trump is a conservative. Not at all.
I’ll expand on this in another post at another time.
I do not fault conservatives that want nothing but a conservative in office and are frustrated with the nominee.
They have every right to not be happy with Trump.
But, you deal with the cards that have been dealt and try to win with them, even if you only manage to win 2%.
I am not a Cruz fan, never have been, never will be. I have said from the beginning that I don’t believe him eligible and that electing him would set a bad precedent and completely remove any chance of going against many of Obama’s decisions based on that constitutional issue.
That Cruz charge is a continued libel set against me that has zero basis in fact. Search this site, show me the time I lied and said I wanted Cruz to be president. I believe he would do a better job than Trump, but the same is true for a heck of a lot of people who have track records that are not 180 opposed to their stated positions as Trump has.
All evidence points to Trump being a fraud. As such asking whether or not he would be better than Hillary is like bidding on a pig in a poke.
It becomes a philosophical question that might be an interesting conversation were it that rather than a real tangible situation.
While I generally refer to those who call me a Cruz supporter as Hillary supporters as both statements are equally factual, I believe you are capable of understanding without the need for me to do so in this instance.
and he is now tacking left according to some pundits that I will not mention, because many of you refuse to listen to anything certain pundits say, but he is apparently warming up to the $15 minimum wage and says he does not need conservative support he will get it elsewhere (apparently he is going after the Bernie vote), so how would he get that vote? Tacking left!! are you scared yet?
trump, as a businessman, paid money to the mob for protection.
the mob being politicians, government agencies, and their ilk.
if elected, he will destroy them.
and to answer your question bfh, no.
Ideology is the frosting
How much you like the person, that is the cake.
Trump is the GOP’s Happy Gilmore and bikers are screwing on the greens.
But ratings are up and people are showing up
The Times have called for a Populist.
The tide is changing
Plan accordingly
Trump is our only hope.
Vote Trump or lose the country
Here’s another potentially illustrative question: in the old “country road on a dark night” scenario, would you really brake for H-Rod but not for Trump?
@reddecaesari – Trump won’t “destroy” them – he IS them.
But, that isn’t the question or the point in the here and now – the point is Hillary is the worst possible choice ever – worse even than oblabla (and that’s pretty effing hard to do). Bammy is just an idiot mussie sympathizer, Hillary is an evil calculating bitch of the lowest order, proven treasonous, known to get people killed, and the death of a Nation in waiting.
There is an old saying that the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know.
We know both these devils by their actions, and we know they both speak in direct opposition to their actions.
Presenting this as clear cut is beneath simplistic.
How about this question:
Why do you think Hilary wants to be President?
Does anyone really think it is a call to serve?
Or does HP Lovecraft come to mind when thinking of her desire for power?
So as not to skirt your question, the answer is No we wouldn’t say he was worse than killary for the same arguments, the same speeches, the same platform as he had during the republican debates.
The problem is, most of what he said then he has backtracked on, flip flopped on or its now negotiable. The man has no core principals.
For me its not so much about his rhetoric or things he says he will do, its more about the things he has done in the past and the things he doesn’t know, we at least need a Commander in Chief that knows what the nuclear triad is.
Is it #NeverHillary or #AnyoneButHillary? If it were a choice between Hillary and the AntiChrist I’d still have a problem choosing.
@Lazlo, Nyarlathotep comes to mind.
At the very least Trump is a nationalist and a populist. Hillary hates America and Americans just as Obama does.
OK, let’s cut to the chase here. Bottom line: (A) Any Conservative who says Hillary is better than Trump and votes for Hillary is helping Hillary go to the White House. (B) Any Conservative who says he doesn’t want Hillary but he can’t bring himself to vote for Trump, so he stays home on Election Day, is also helping Hillary go to the White House, just not as much as the guy in example A.
Therefore, any Conservative who thinks it would be an unmitigated disaster to have Hillary in the White House had better think seriously about voting for whoever the Republicans choose as their nominee, even if it’s Vermin Supreme.
I don’t see what all the arguing is about. Seems pretty clear to me.
Want to help Hillary get in the White House? Pick (A) or (B), above.
BFH,
He’s probably not a conservative. My meaning behind that was I don’t think I consider the people judging him as true conservatives. Personally, I don’t care. I want the guy that can do the greatest amount of good. The guy that can have the biggest impact in the shortest amount of time. For me that’s always been Trump.
@Viet Vet, BUT, if you want to keep getting choices like Romney and Dole and McCain and Trump then you keep voting for whomever the rebublicans bring up. A better question is would you vote for Trump over Romney or McCain? If not then you see how we are on a slippery slope that takes us to one seriously scary place.
Reagan was a democrat too….but a conservative one.
He is not a Lib he is not a Con he is a Trump. He is an individual with his own ideas . Some I strongly support ,some I don’t care about and some I disagree with . I am tired of career pols selling some mythical ism as if all problems are cookie cutter.
what if this is all a soros paid plot to destroy the Tea Party? If not, I doubt Soros could have created one that is working out any better than this one. The trumpets are demanding that we march step with da leader but da Leader keeps moving further left and saying dumber and dumber things every minute to ensure that we cannot in good conscience support him. So the final outcome is shllary is elected and the tea party is ripped apart.
dapenguin
Trump brought us Trump the GOP didn’t. They hate him.
@brad, I think we could argue for hours on whether they hate Cruz or Trump more, but to my point, I think we are all being played against each other, and I hate being played. Just watch what trump does for the next month and then lets chat about this again.
We are all aware of the America haters Trump has endorsed, from Obama to Deblasio and assorted other reprobates around the country.
Where are the conservatives that Trump endorsed?
These are the people Trump believes should lead this country, why would his Supreme court choices look different than his choices of candidates? In short, all evidence points to him picking exactly, and possibly worse as he wouldn’t have as much concern about congress, as Hillary.
Trumps actions mirror those of Hillary, and his words match his actions with even less regularity than do Hillary’s.
There is zero tangible evidence that Trump is any better than Hillary.
All that is offered is hope and change.
dapenguin
I read something today that actually made a lot of sense. As an electorate we are no longer partisan we are tribal.
I would encourage everyone to watch Trump. He’s slayed all of his GOP rivals. Now he’s going after Hillary. Fun Fun.
Trump is the man needed for the times. He’s the John Galt, the doer and he’s fighting against the system.
Most of the country doesn’t have time to really devote to worrying about the morality of the country. We/they are trying to feed, clothe and educate their kids/grandkids. Those people suck it up and pray – put it in God’s Hands. Not saying that’s right nor good, but really, we ARE run by the courts. Hope Trump cleans out the good for nothing judges, and We the People need to get term limits on SCOTUS “lawmakers.”
It’s the economy and not much more than that at this point. Barry will leave us in a state of scorched earth because he will be on steroids trying to take down the U.S. as much as possible before he leaves. We will probably have catastrophic financial problems withing the first 6 months of any Republican presidency. Trump is the man who we need now to clean house and rebuild. I cannot wait to see the businessmen he will have on his team.
I’d vote for Trump even if he was a Democrat, and the last time I voted Dem (except in an open primary) was probably never.
Exactly Jane. We need a YUGE correction and Trumps the one that can get it done. Like a BOSS. Or at least a business man.
The legendary Mr. Pinko, God rest his soul, once wrote, “We need to elect Trump so a guy like Cruz can someday be elected”.
Our economy is so bad it’s a joke. And it’s getting worse. It doesn’t need to be this way and Trumps the guy, the only guy, that can fix it.
JohnS <— you make Conservatism a disease just as much as Liberalism. You must be one miserable human being.
I just want all the ones suckered into believing Trumps lies to remember these days if he becomes president which will not be from any vote from me when he shows the true colors he is, and that is a liberal. But you keep believing he is going to build a wall and deport illegals. Suckers! And today he begins reversing all the things he said to get the suckers on board. He was for not raising the minimum wage and low and behold he reverses that stance. Enjoy your Trump while the nation continues to crumble all around us!
@Bad_Brad – Mr. Pinko is now an official contributor to Jim Hoft’s progressivestoday.com web site.
Follow him on twitter @Mr_Pinko
@dapenguin: At one time I would have voted for McCain or (maybe) even Romney over Trump, but now I know who/what they are. Trump, not so much, except that he’s not a career politician, and he says and does some pretty dumb things. However, I think his heart’s in the right place. I know Hillary’s isn’t, so she’s not an option.
Let me propose a thought question for you: You have 4 boxes before you. One is labeled “Hillary” and it contains poison. Two are labeled “McCain” and “Romney”, respectively, and they contain dog crap. The fourth box is labeled “Trump” and you don’t know what’s in it, except that it’s probably not anything that would kill you. You have to open one box and consume the contents. Which box do you choose?
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True Liberty is part of the “Republicans For Hillary” campaign.
Yup, hope and change.
The Great White Obama.
Trust me, said Obama, my past is not prologue.
Trust me said Trump, my past is not prologue.
I will give you change said Obama.
I will give you change says Trump.
A quick look at Obama’s past would have told you exactly what he would be.
A quick look at Trumps past tells you exactly what he will be.
Don’t forget, he supported and endorsed deBlasio AFTER he was born again into the right.
Obama’s sycophants brought him to office wanting to believe in the man.
Trump’s sycophants are doing likewise.
Trump is NOT in the same category as Romney, Dole and McCain.
The GOP failed. Trump is either the re-birth of a Nation or the total destruction of America. The way the Establishment GOP assholes are talking, they rather America fail. TRAITORS
I’m not convinced Trump will govern differently than Hillary. If you want to shout me down go ahead. He’s the nominee now. He can try to win me over, and it’s not an impossible task.
One question for you BFH, do you think Ted Cruz’s dad was involved in the JFK assassination and/or was an associate of Lee Harvey Oswald? Serious question. I’m curious how many Trump supporters hold this view
#NeverGOPInc
May 5, 2016 at 7:32 pm
True Liberty is part of the “Republicans For Hillary” campaign.
Trump or Hillary same destruction but again remember these days when you supported this trickster.
I’ve agreed with you, Fur, on this specific topic from Day One.
America is
It’s only been two days, and I am already tired of it. The collective screaming of many pundits saying “Vote Trump, he sucks less than hiliary!” Is that all yous guys have?
Is that really what we are gonna be hearing the next 6 months?
Just so y’all know, I have vowed to never vote for hiliary, and according to Big Fur Hat, that means I am supporting Trump.
How about Trump getting serious about policy and announcing possible SCOTUS picks to sway those not sold on him? Just stop it with saying the only reason to vote Trump is to stop hiliary…that does not sell well.
Sorry premature transmission.
America is in the worst mess it’s ever been. “Never Trump” is just not appropriate in 2016.
What’s the mission of #NeverTrump? What’s your point? To get Hillary elected?
@dapenguin, I would vote for Trump over McCain and Romney in a heartbeat. Trump may not be the classic conservative you or I would like, but let’s face it, neither were McCain and Romney. And I appreciate that unlike those two, Trump is not afraid. McCain denounced Jim Cunningham for calling Barry by his rightful name Barak Hussein Obama; Mitt folded like a cheap suit under Candy Crowley’s lie – because he didn’t know the facts as he should. Trump shoves right back at ’em and I appreciate that.
Fur, hands down, Trump will do much better things for this country than Hillary.
Menderman – I thought you were going to shut the fuck up.
What’s your point? To elect Hillary? That’s who YOU WANT?
“Trump or Hillary same destruction” – No it’s NOT ASSHOLE (and yes – I’m going to start calling you names)
Since when is Hillary FOR a wall? Since when is Hillary FOR DEPORTATION?
Since when is Hillary FOR FAIR TRADE? Since when is Hillary going to get rid of ObamaCare?
The list goes on and on.
Friggin’ idiots
#NeverGOPInc
I think they like the part where Hillary’s going to take their guns. That must be it.
#NeverGOPInc
May 5, 2016 at 7:47 pm
“Trump or Hillary same destruction” – No it’s NOT ASSHOLE (and yes – I’m going to start calling you names)
Since when is Hillary FOR a wall? Since when is Hillary FOR DEPORTATION?
Since when is Hillary FOR FAIR TRADE? Since when is Hillary going to get rid of ObamaCare?
The list goes on and on.
Friggin’ idiots
Since when is Trump for any of that stuff? Thats right, only when he decided to run for president. Hillary or Trump same kind of lies same kind of destruction.
#NeverGoPinko, I said I would sit down and shut the fuck up about being on the #NeverTrump train, and I have so far. What particular part of my comment did you have a problem with?
@plain Jane, I would argue that those of us considering jumping of the GOP train (Trump Train) would be more like John Galt. Have you read the book?
@VietVet, crap, dude, that image is gonna keep me up all night.
@nevergopink: SMH
The way he’s going now he’ll be to the left of hillary at election time.
“@plain Jane, I would argue that those of us considering jumping of the GOP train (Trump Train) would be more like John Galt. Have you read the book?”
TO WHAT END? WHAT DOES AMERICA HAVE TO GAIN?
@BB, how much longer are we supposed to vote for candidates that are NOT IDEAL? I have been doing this since Reagan and things are not getting better. Perhaps is it time to create a new party and let the GOP die. Not saying it is, but perhaps it is. Whether you want to admit it or not, we are faced with two candidates that have the highest negative numbers in history. We are asked to choose which one is hated less by more people, that is not a choice I really want to make and since Donald keeps tracking left, and apparently the NY slimes is waiting for the right time to drop the “he aint building no wall” bomb, I am not sure how much difference there is between them. Accepting a Donald in 2016 does not mean we get a Cruz in 2020 it means that the GOP knows that they can just keep dangling that carrot at us for who knows how many more years.
i don’t think trump woke up last year and thought about running for president like other politicians. he has been a self employed citizen. why would he want to be our “leader”?
he sees what is happening on a financial level. he has met a payroll, dealt with red tape, etc.
i am sick of professional public servants. time to try another way.
Any of you Trump supporters want to answer my question? How many of you believe that Ted Cruz’s dad was in on the JFK assassination?
I like all you guys here.
I don’t get into back and forth and vitriol.
But sometimes it seems necessary.
However we are the ones who should turn shoulder to shoulder toward those who seek to put a power mad monster in the White House, and be kinder to each other.
We are being dealt a hand, let us play it well.
If Trump destroys the country, I am sure there will be some medium left from which to shout I told you so from the digital rooftops.
It would be a long four years if that happened.
However, if that happens, we will do exactly what we are doing now.
Wait the Bastard out, and try to vote somebody else in there after the term.
Trump is an unknown, but I am sure it will be a lot better than Pant-suit Harridan.
If not, I am sure I will hear about it.
I don’t care if a candidate is ideal. Those are exceedingly rare.
I do however want a candidate that not only talks the talk, but walks the walk. At least part of the time.
Politicians who lie about who they are are a dime a dozen. Even cheaper in election years.
When Trump gets elected, he will be able to point out that he said he would give amnesty to the illegals already here and others that manage to make it in.
He can point out that he said that the wall would only be the completion of the already almost done fence across 1/2 of the border and in many areas it would not be an actual physical wall or fence.
He can point out that he never said he would prevent people without ID (as is currently the case) from just walking across the border at border crossings.
He can point out that he said he would bring in people like those he has worked with in the past, like Obama, Hillary, deBlasio……
He has said so many different things on so many different issues that one is deluding themselves if they think they really know which statement is the real one.
Trump tells everyone exactly what he thinks they want to hear. When Hillary does that, it is called pandering.
The real question is how did we get to the point where our choices boiled down to two frauds and a debate as to who is worse.
Or, how many of you Trump supporters believe 43 lied about WMD in Iraq? I seldom listen to Herman Cain, but his show was on when I cranked the truck, and he was ranting about how W and his Daddy won’t endorse Trump and how shallow they are for that. Does he not know or not care that Trump attacked the president from 8 years ago to score points? And he gets big bucks to express his opinion? We are so fu…..
@dapenguin: Sorry about that. I have a weird mind. It thinks weird thoughts.
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Jon, I will answer,
I no more believe that his dad was in on the assassination than I do believe that ‘Lyin’ Ted’ is actually a liar.
Its politics, wrestlemania, and business all rolled into one.
@Jon,
Nobody answered you. You got your answer.
Jon, David Pecker and Trump are golfing buddies, texting buddies. Is there something wrong with that?
No Hillary, No Sanders… no matter what!
First of all, I am not a “Trump supporter.”
I don’t have the pom poms out for Trump. The closest I ever got to supporting Trump was to make a truck magnet because it was by request.
Obviously I don’t have a giant problem with Trump, otherwise I wouldn’t have made the magnet.
But notice that I made the Cruz magnet as well. So, who was I for?
ANYONE ON THAT STAGE SANS JEB BUSH. (Because Jeb was the presumptive nominee before he even announced, and that shit does not fly. The entire Trump experiment was because we needed someone to derail Jeb. And Trump did it.)
Shall I go back and resurrect that comment?
Shall I go back and resurrect the comment I made that Trump is a giant douchebag?
He is.
And I would vote for a douchebag in a heartbeat over Hillary.
I would snip off my left pinky with bolt cutters if it meant Hillary wouldn’t make it to the oval office.
I am dead serious.
I am PISSED beyond belief that anyone on this site would allow that cunt to get into office after she did what she did in Benghazi, then lied about it, and then scapegoated some guy who made a video about Muhammad and had him go to jail.
She is a treasonous cunt who has lied her entire life from cattle futures to calling it a “vast right-wing conspiracy” when she knew Bill was getting blowjobs in the oval office.
That ANYONE on this site would do any action whatsoever that nudged that cunt into the position of commander-in-chief with the weak sauce of saying Trump “might” not be telling the truth on his platform is absolutely despicable. Yes, despicable.
You’re not despicable forever. You have time to get your minds right.
This is a woman who compromised national security by setting up a private server so that she could be a secretive secretary of state, outside the prying eyes of us asshole on the right.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????
ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME?????
Was I just fiddlefucking around when I was posting these stories and we were going after her full-throated??
Everyone, I thought, was as concerned as I was.
You guys aren’t serious about your hatred of Hillary, are you? You can’t be.
She’s not so bad, right? What’s a little national security breach??? pffffft. Trump *might* do worse.
Some guy who is serious about getting a wall on our porous border, one of the most pressing issues of our time, probably THE MOST SERIOUS ISSUE when you factor in how it is probably what failed our healthcare system, our welfare system, our housing system, is worse than Hillary. Right?
Some guy who wants to stop Islam from flooding our country, making us less safe by the hour, is much worse than a cunt who can’t wait to open the floodgates on us, right? Trump *might* be lying.
You guys are right. Absolutely right.
Don’t go with the guy who “might” be lying.
Go with the cunt who has told you straight out what she has in store for us.
Makes sense.
And no, I do not believe Ted Cruz’s father hung with Oswald and handed out leaflets.
And yes, believing Cruz’s father was with Oswald is a helluva lot more benign than thinking we are causing the earth to warm, or that guns must be taken away from us, or that IT TAKES A VILLAGE, or that white privilege is real and we must right the wrongs whitey has wrought on today’s blacks.
Give me a break.
ASK has been pushing that JFK connection for weeks…never saw the value in it. I always figured conservatives were smarter than that, but then again, ASK unfriended me years ago because I called Beck and Alex Jones deranged lunatics. I dumped Drudge because he kept posting Jones stories. And now they both are pushing Trump. I’m starting to believe in chemtrails and HAARP mind control.
Hmmm…Benghazi Cunt or Crony Capitalist that paid for the Obama super majority that gave us Obamacare and more?
I’ll take “Sharp Stick In The Eye” for $20 Trillion, Alex.
And at what point do you stop “predicting” that Trump will be “further left than Hillary” and start supporting the guy who is much righter than Hillary?
June? July?
August?? November?
Never???
Makes sense.
Maybe when the debates start and you see a clear division between the candidates it’ll sink in.
But probably not.
Hillary is evil incarnate, we know it, and still you’re fearing the guy who is talking right-wing is “maybe” lying.
So I don’t think the debates will do anything.
In fact, you’re probably going to think Hillary isn’t all that bad.
All the evil she represents will melt away.
Wait, it already has!!!!
What am I saying?\
A vote fueled by anger is not a vote of conscious.
I’ve supported Trump from the beginning because he has put everything on the line. If he’s lying and betrays the American people who believe his promises, there will be Hell to pay. I would vote for Trump if he was a Democrat, because he reminds me of a John F. Kennedy democrat – liberal but not out to destroy the foundations of the country.
Also, the GOPe are digging in their collective elitist heels, as illustrated by the Bushs, Romney, Ryan, Dole refusal to support Trump at the Republican convention, Putin is looking forward to a challenge, China’s being very cautious and The Mexicans are scared witless their meal ticket is about to expire – proof that Trump is shaking things up.
The GOPe cabal never really took Cruz seriously, because he’s an insider who pissed them off with his disloyalty.
Cruz is not sincere and miopicaly self- centered, proven by his filibuster stunt. His disregard for his obviously neglected wife shows it’s all about him.
Hillary will complete the destruction of this country, accelerated by Obama. Not voting for Trump will guarantee it.
“@BB, how much longer are we supposed to vote for candidates that are NOT IDEAL?
You guys did that last time with Romney. Let’s just through in the towel. This is stupid!
@ dapenguin
Yes I have read the book and seen the movies. Those who jump onto the Hillary Hoover Wagon are no John Galts.
I am willing to listen. I want to see how Trump evolves against hiliary and handles her in the debates. If the vote was today, I would leave the presidential line blank, but the vote was not today. Trump has 6 months to convince me he is worthy of what I consider sacred…My Vote!
Go back to my first comment. Don’t sell me Trump as the dude that sucks just slightly less than his opponent, sell me the Trump that makes me proud to replace that blank spot on the back of my truck with a Trump magnet.
I’m willing to listen, but I won’t be yelled at.
Yes, yes. Keep trying to convince yourself that it is Trump responsible for Obama and Hillary.
Keep trying to convince yourself that on the ledger sheet Trump is worse than Hillary.
Your problem is that this became personal for whatever reason. It is more about the person, whereas I am looking at this logically, pragmatically, and for what is best for this country. I don’t care about the person Trump, I don’t care about the person Hillary. I care about the deeds. And Hillary’s deeds are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out in front in the race for the most despicable person in politics.
You, on the other hand, are being emotional, so much so that you’re not even caring about how irrational you’re looking.
You hate a guy for donating to Hillary. So you must hate Hillary something fierce to hate the guy for donating to her.
Yet, in a race between the guy who donated to her and the actual “worst politician in the world” you’ve decide to be apathetic to the point where the worst person in politics will get the oval office.
AND, furthermore, you can’t even make a convincing argument that the donator would govern worse than the worst politician in the world.
Completely retarded.
It’s just an emotional irrational soup that you’re concocting and you seem to be committed to it.
It wouldn’t matter what Trump says or does in the next 6 months. That Hillary has said and done worse than Trump ever has matters little to you now.
So, it’s hopeless.
Yes, sitting on your hands when you’re able to vote is aiding and abetting the eventual winner.
Rationalize away, but it’s the truth.
If Hillary wins you are partially responsible.
If Hillary wins and I am forced to fisk, deride and criticize and scrutinize her administration for the next 4 or 8 years, are you going to be chiming in in the comments?
What are you going to be saying?
Given that situation, any rational person would simply say Trump is the same as Hillary. Which means that neither are worth the effort of voting. They are opposite ends of the same turd.
November is a long way off, and I may just change my mind. But, for now, I don’t plan on wasting my time at the polls, trying to choose which end of that turd to pick up.
I think you are the emotional one. I have clearly stated that I will listen to Trump over the next six months. You choose to not believe me. Also, your ranting proves that my “sitting on my hands” has power. Don’t try to win me over by saying Trump sucks less, it is a loser out of the gate.
Trump has a lot of work to do, but my vote has to be earned.
In what universe is Trump “the same” as Hillary?
Hillary is a gun grabber.
Trump is not.
Hillary is a tax and spender.
Trump is not.
Hillary is a globalist.
Trump is a nationalist.
Hillary is anti-military.
Trump is not.
Hillary is for abortion.
Trump is not.
Hillary panders to every angry, safe spacing, anti-white, hashtag group.
Trump does not.
Hillary is for amnesty.
Trump is not.
Hillary is a dhimmi.
Trump is not.
Hillary is everything we cannot stand in a leftist college professor.
Trump is not.
Stop me when I get to the part where they are the same.
Don’t try to win me over by saying Trump sucks less>>>
That is exactly what should be winning you over.
If you don’t get won over by that then you are satisfied with the person who sucks more.
Stupid position. Always will be.
I will always look for the person in the race that will give me an edge.
I’m emotionless like that.
I’m like Spock when it comes to that.
It’s so logical I’m growing pointy ears.
What is your time stamp for that Big Fur Hat? Trump has never been dhimmi, but on the rest, he once was.
OK, I’m voting for “sucksless”! What’s his name? Peterson?
BFH, a full half of that list Trump disagrees with.
As to Benghazi.
Are you getting desperate?
Hillary had the film maker arrested?
Don’t get me wrong, and please stop calling me a Cruz supporter, but please detail the mechanism where she made that happen.
Hillary has done many despicable things, but her boss is on the line for that one.
Unless you think Hillary is the person pulling the strings and feeding Obama’s teleprompter. If that is the case, maybe she is doing the same with Trump?
Have you been spending time over at Prison Planet?
My point. Pushing disinformation discredits your position. Hillary is bad enough without making crap up about her.
Things I would endure to keep Hilary from being President:
Molestation by a Bear
Crabs the size of dimes
Listening to an entire Yoko Ono Box set with headphones
Being locked in an elevator with a full grown Cayman
Letting someone with palsy shave my nads with a straight razor
Being handcuffed to Michael Moore for a week
Build a dog house driving all the nails with my forehead
A hot sauce enema
Being towed on a bicycle at freeway speeds through LA
A flight to New Zealand with Chris Mathews and a Mime as seat mates
Being sanded with 60 grit and encrusted with salt and cayenne paste
Falling off the water ski naked at high speeds
Eating a steak cooked with Rosie O’Donell’s methane
Swimming naked from St. John to St. Thomas during barracuda season
Being boiled in my own pudding and being buried with a stake of holly through my heart.
She’s a crazy bitch with no wild (ulp) sex to mitigate the crazyness
Thanks for the lecture about how bad Hillary Clinton sucks. Btw, I knew that a long time ago when I donated my hard-earned money to Rick Lazio’s senate campaign against her in New York. I live in NORTH CAROLINA. That’s how badly I hate her. Guess who was donating to her campaign? DONALD J TRUMP. Guess which GOP presidential candidate comes to my state and criticizes our bathroom law that tries to protect women and little girls from creepy men who want to use the ladies’ room? DONALD J TRUMP. So I’m sorry if I’m not on the Trump band wagon yet. He’s got six months to earn my vote. If he builds the wall I will personally chisel his face into Mt Rushmore. But I would be less surprised if I woke up next to Whoopi Goldberg. So that’s what I think about Trump. I’m not a fucking idiot and I didn’t just start paying attention 8 months ago. If you can’t understand that then you know what to do
Lazlo, you neglected to add “voting for The Donald” to your list.
Freudian slip?
Hillary was part of the entire effort to cover up that this was a terrorist act on 9/11 in order to protect Obama’s ass going into the election, and her own ass moving forward and beyond.
You think it was Obama, in a vacuum, responsible for the coverup, and the story that this was a youtube video that started a spontaneous riot?
You’re kidding, no?
Hillary is not responsible for what happened to the filmmaker?
She knew it was a lie, told the lie, covered up for the lie, stood by and watched this guy railroaded, but her hands are clean??
Don;t lecture me.
You’ve embarrassed yourself with this concern troll comment.
Jon,
It still comes down to if you believe Trump when he says he’s going to do all the right-wing items on his to-do list, or you’d rather get the woman who was so bad you contributed to an out-of-state NY senatorial race in order to defeat her.
Going with the known leftist who will carry out the Obama legacy and beyond because you fear you might be getting lied to is simply kooky.
I’ve heard people say that they rather get the known devil than be fooled by a devil in hiding, and I’m told that this is not an emotional act, it’s a pragmatic one.
It’s not at all personal. Taking the known devil is far better than *possibly* looking silly.
BFH, calm down.
You said Hillary had the guy arrested.
While it wouldn’t surprise me if it was her idea, there is no proof, and she was not in a position to order the guy arrested. That came from Justice, who, like Hillary, worked for Obama.
You don’t know how much I hate you forcing me to go to bat for Hillary, maybe that was your intention.
However, facts are facts, even when they don’t fit a narrative being pushed.
Rational people ignore the narrative as background noise and process information and facts.
I also guess you couldn’t find the post where I claimed to be a Cruz supporter.
No apology needed.
BFH nailed it above. Hillary is rotten to the core!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have two choices:
1) vote for Trump now that he’s the nominee…
2) allow that rotten disgusting cunt Hillary have her way with this country
Let me say it one more time…..Selling Trump because he is not the Benghazi Cunt is not a good selling point. We know that.
You’re hanging your hat on the semantic hen house bullshit that Hillary wasn’t the one that slapped the cuffs on him???
Okay, how about this?
The secretary of state allowed the guy to be scapegoated when she knew he didn’t do anything that caused a spontaneous riot.
Gee. that’s farrrrrrrrrr different than signing the arrest order.
Technically, he was arrested for violating terms of his probation.
So, unless YOU GET THAT RIGHT, you’re beclowning yourself in front of everyone and your credibility is blown and you can be a much better commenter than that.
Selling Trump because he is not the Benghazi Cunt is not a good selling point. >>>>
yes it is.
but when does this crap end? I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
All you’ve got is “Vote Trump Because Hillary Sucks Worse”
Really?
Fucking really?
Damit man, sell me on how Trump can save the country, not how he can kill it slower than Hilliary will.
Mr. Hat if you want to keep your sanity you are going to have to weed out the never Trump people here. I for one am done trying to have a conversation here there is no point. My first choice was Cruz, but after learning more about him there is no way I could support him. Its Trump or the death of our country. You need to come out and state that you are 100% behind Trump and not voting just to stop Killary that won’t work, drive a stake in the ground and make your stand. I would have alot more respect for you if you did, it would clear up alot of the nonsense at iOTW. Unless you thrive on chaos.
No. That is NOT all I have..
But if it WAS all I had it would be enough, because Hillary is the absolute worst person imaginable.
You’re trying to frame this as if Hillary is only marginally better than Trump. That’s ridiculous.
All you’re left with is ‘I do not believe what Trump is promising, therefore I will allow Hillary to become president by being an apathetic bystander because if there’s one thing I won’t stand for, it’s possibly being lied to. And, this is all about me, fuck everyone else on the right that would walk on molten glass to vote against Hillary. They are obviously stupid.
Who cares about the ghosts of Benghazi? They won’t haunt me or anything. They’d totally understand why I’m doing what I’m doing.
I am cool with watching Hillary be the commander-in-chief for the next 4 years because I am secure in my knowledge that I wasn’t possibly fooled by a possibly lying Trump and that is all that matters.”
So, Geoff. I should be banned?
I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.>>>
List the evils of Trump.
BFH, What the??? Have you lost your mind? Trump is running under the republican ticket. The same ticket that conservatives run under. I don’t get the analogy. It makes absolutely no sense except to say if I was a democrat, I would vote for Trump. But I am a conservative republican, so it makes no sense to me.
Stadium drop.
“but when does this crap end? I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.”
Holy fuck dude. What are you 12? That’s not reality. That’s not life. Please venture out of you plastic bubble occasionally. Reflecting on my lifes experiences I’m wondering how anybody can get that protected from life.
List the evils: Flop flipper.
Possibly lying? Haha!!! That’s funny!
BTW, you asked me to sit down and STFU after the primaries were over, and I agreed to do just that. Shouldn’t you do the same about #NT?
You have to agree that these discussions are not helpful to our ultimate goal. no?
Promote Trump, convince me he’s the dude, and maybe, just maybe I fill in that circle next to his name. Better yet, tell Donald to convince me to fill in that circle….
Dude, I am seriously and honestly trying to figure a way to vote for him…you ain’t helping so far.
List the evils of Trump? WOW!
How much time do you have?
Geoff,
I am 100% behind Trump now that he is the last man standing between Hillary and the white house.
My vote will be a 100% vote.
Not a tiny vote, a half vote. It can be nothing but a 100% vote.
But on day 1, if he should win the presidency, I will be nervous, anxious and watchdogging him from a skeptical point of view- which is far better than I would feel on Hillary’s first day.
I do not trust ANY elected leader. So I am left with listening to the rhetoric and choosing the one that best represents my wants.
What am I supposed to do?
I can vote for the candidate that is promising nothing that I want and hope she is lying and will govern like I want.
Or I can vote for the candidate that is promising things I want and hope he’s not lying and I get what I want.
I have 2 choices.
Which is the sane choice?
List them.
No Mendermen, you have too long of a history here and you have always been one of my favorite people here. But you are wrong about Trump.
BFH. Trump..
Let’s examine the democrat Trump-
COMPELLING MEXICO TO PAY FOR THE WALL
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 – the “know your customer” provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It’s an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
On day 1 promulgate a “proposed rule” (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine “account” to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse – thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty – our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.
HEALTHCARE REFORM TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Since March of 2010, the American people have had to suffer under the incredible economic burden of the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare. This legislation, passed by totally partisan votes in the House and Senate and signed into law by the most divisive and partisan President in American history, has tragically but predictably resulted in runaway costs, websites that don’t work, greater rationing of care, higher premiums, less competition and fewer choices. Obamacare has raised the economic uncertainty of every single person residing in this country. As it appears Obamacare is certain to collapse of its own weight, the damage done by the Democrats and President Obama, and abetted by the Supreme Court, will be difficult to repair unless the next President and a Republican congress lead the effort to bring much-needed free market reforms to the healthcare industry.
But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
However, it is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation. We will work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for implementation that follow free market principles and that will restore economic freedom and certainty to everyone in this country. By following free market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve the quality of the care available to all Americans.
Any reform effort must begin with Congress. Since Obamacare became law, conservative Republicans have been offering reforms that can be delivered individually or as part of more comprehensive reform efforts. In the remaining sections of this policy paper, several reforms will be offered that should be considered by Congress so that on the first day of the Trump Administration, we can start the process of restoring faith in government and economic liberty to the people.
Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:
Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.
The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation’s government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.
To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.
Finally, we need to reform our mental health programs and institutions in this country. Families, without the ability to get the information needed to help those who are ailing, are too often not given the tools to help their loved ones. There are promising reforms being developed in Congress that should receive bi-partisan support.
To reform healthcare in America, we need a President who has the leadership skills, will and courage to engage the American people and convince Congress to do what is best for the country. These straightforward reforms, along with many others I have proposed throughout my campaign, will ensure that together we will Make America Great Again.
REFORMING THE U.S.-CHINA TRADE RELATIONSHIP TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
How We Got Here: Washington Politicians Let China Off The Hook
In January 2000, President Bill Clinton boldly promised China’s inclusion in the World Trade Organization (WTO) “is a good deal for America. Our products will gain better access to China’s market, and every sector from agriculture, to telecommunications, to automobiles. But China gains no new market access to the United States.” None of what President Clinton promised came true. Since China joined the WTO, Americans have witnessed the closure of more than 50,000 factories and the loss of tens of millions of jobs. It was not a good deal for America then and it’s a bad deal now. It is a typical example of how politicians in Washington have failed our country.
The most important component of our China policy is leadership and strength at the negotiating table. We have been too afraid to protect and advance American interests and to challenge China to live up to its obligations. We need smart negotiators who will serve the interests of American workers – not Wall Street insiders that want to move U.S. manufacturing and investment offshore.
The Goal Of The Trump Plan: Fighting For American Businesses And Workers
America has always been a trading nation. Under the Trump administration trade will flourish. However, for free trade to bring prosperity to America, it must also be fair trade. Our goal is not protectionism but accountability. America fully opened its markets to China but China has not reciprocated. Its Great Wall of Protectionism uses unlawful tariff and non-tariff barriers to keep American companies out of China and to tilt the playing field in their favor.
If you give American workers a level playing field, they will win. At its heart, this plan is a negotiating strategy to bring fairness to our trade with China. The results will be huge for American businesses and workers. Jobs and factories will stop moving offshore and instead stay here at home. The economy will boom. The steps outlined in this plan will make that a reality.
When Donald J. Trump is president, China will be on notice that America is back in the global leadership business and that their days of currency manipulation and cheating are over. We will cut a better deal with China that helps American businesses and workers compete.
The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:
Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.
Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.
Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.
Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.
Details of Donald J. Trump’s US China Trade Plan:
Declare China A Currency Manipulator
We need a president who will not succumb to the financial blackmail of a Communist dictatorship. President Obama’s Treasury Department has repeatedly refused to brand China a currency manipulator – a move that would force China to stop these unfair practices or face tough countervailing duties that level the playing field.
Economists estimate the Chinese yuan is undervalued by anywhere from 15% to 40%. This grossly undervalued yuan gives Chinese exporters a huge advantage while imposing the equivalent of a heavy tariff on U.S. exports to China. Such currency manipulation, in concert with China’s other unfair practices, has resulted in chronic U.S. trade deficits, a severe weakening of the U.S. manufacturing base and the loss of tens of millions of American jobs.
In a system of truly free trade and floating exchange rates like a Trump administration would support, America’s massive trade deficit with China would not persist. On day one of the Trump administration the U.S. Treasury Department will designate China as a currency manipulator. This will begin a process that imposes appropriate countervailing duties on artificially cheap Chinese products, defends U.S. manufacturers and workers, and revitalizes job growth in America. We must stand up to China’s blackmail and reject corporate America’s manipulation of our politicians. The U.S. Treasury’s designation of China as a currency manipulator will force China to the negotiating table and open the door to a fair – and far better – trading relationship.
End China’s Intellectual Property Violations
China’s ongoing theft of intellectual property may be the greatest transfer of wealth in history. This theft costs the U.S. over $300 billion and millions of jobs each year. China’s government ignores this rampant cybercrime and, in other cases, actively encourages or even sponsors it –without any real consequences. China’s cyber lawlessness threatens our prosperity, privacy and national security. We will enforce stronger protections against Chinese hackers and counterfeit goods and our responses to Chinese theft will be swift, robust, and unequivocal.
The Chinese government also forces American companies like Boeing, GE, and Intel to transfer proprietary technologies to Chinese competitors as a condition of entry into the Chinese market. Such de facto intellectual property theft represents a brazen violation of WTO and international rules. China’s forced technology transfer policy is absolutely ridiculous. Going forward, we will adopt a zero tolerance policy on intellectual property theft and forced technology transfer. If China wants to trade with America, they must agree to stop stealing and to play by the rules.
Eliminate China’s Illegal Export Subsidies And Other Unfair Advantages
Chinese manufacturers and other exporters receive numerous illegal export subsidies from the Chinese government. These include – in direct contradiction to WTO rules – free or nearly free rent, utilities, raw materials, and many other services. China’s state-run banks routinely extend loans these enterprises at below market rates or without the expectation they will be repaid. China even offers them illegal tax breaks or rebates as well as cash bonuses to stimulate exports.
China’s illegal export subsidies intentionally distorts international trade and damages other countries’ exports by giving Chinese companies an unfair advantage. From textile and steel mills in the Carolinas to the Gulf Coast’s shrimp and fish industries to the Midwest manufacturing belt and California’s agribusiness, China’s disregard for WTO rules hurt every corner of America.
The U.S. Trade Representative recently filed yet another complaint with the WTO accusing China of cheating on our trade agreements by subsidizing its exports. The Trump administration will not wait for an international body to tell us what we already know. To gain negotiating leverage, we will pursue the WTO case and aggressively highlight and expose these subsidies.
China’s woeful lack of reasonable environmental and labor standards represent yet another form of unacceptable export subsidy. How can American manufacturers, who must meet very high standards, possibly compete with Chinese companies that care nothing about their workers or the environment? We will challenge China to join the 21 st Century when it comes to such standards.
The Trump Plan Will Strengthen Our Negotiating Position
As the world’s most important economy and consumer of goods, America must always negotiate trade agreements from strength. Branding China as a currency manipulator and exposing their unfair trade practices is not enough. In order to further strengthen our negotiating leverage, the Trump plan will:
Lower the corporate tax rate to 15% to unleash American ingenuity here at home and make us more globally competitive. This tax cut puts our rate 10 percentage points below China and 20 points below our current burdensome rate that pushes companies and jobs offshore.
Attack our debt and deficit by vigorously eliminating waste, fraud and abuse in the Federal government, ending redundant government programs, and growing the economy to increase tax revenues. Closing the deficit and reducing our debt will mean China cannot blackmail us with our own Treasury bonds.
Strengthen the U.S. military and deploying it appropriately in the East and South China Seas. These actions will discourage Chinese adventurism that imperils American interests in Asia and shows our strength as we begin renegotiating our trading relationship with China. A strong military presence will be a clear signal to China and other nations in Asia and around the world that America is back in the global leadership business.
TAX REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
The Goals Of Donald J. Trump’s Tax Plan
Too few Americans are working, too many jobs have been shipped overseas, and too many middle class families cannot make ends meet. This tax plan directly meets these challenges with four simple goals:
Tax relief for middle class Americans: In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages.
Simplify the tax code to reduce the headaches Americans face in preparing their taxes and let everyone keep more of their money.
Grow the American economy by discouraging corporate inversions, adding a huge number of new jobs, and making America globally competitive again.
Doesn’t add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large.
The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals
If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.
The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral
The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:
Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
DETAILS OF DONALD J. TRUMP’S TAX PLAN
America needs a bold, simple and achievable plan based on conservative economic principles. This plan does that with needed tax relief for all Americans, especially the working poor and middle class, pro-growth tax reform for all sizes of businesses, and fiscally responsible steps to ensure this plan does not add to our enormous debt and deficit.
This plan simplifies the tax code by taking nearly 50% of current filers off the income tax rolls entirely and reducing the number of tax brackets from seven to four for everyone else. This plan also reduces or eliminates loopholes used by the very rich and special interests made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rates on individuals and companies.
The Trump Tax Plan: A Simpler Tax Code For All Americans
When the income tax was first introduced, just one percent of Americans had to pay it. It was never intended as a tax most Americans would pay. The Trump plan eliminates the income tax for over 73 million households. 42 million households that currently file complex forms to determine they don’t owe any income taxes will now file a one page form saving them time, stress, uncertainty and an average of $110 in preparation costs. Over 31 million households get the same simplification and keep on average nearly $1,000 of their hard-earned money.
For those Americans who will still pay the income tax, the tax rates will go from the current seven brackets to four simpler, fairer brackets that eliminate the marriage penalty and the AMT while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II:
Income Tax Rate Long Term Cap Gains/ Dividends Rate Single Filers Married Filers Heads of Household
0% 0% $0 to $25,000 $0 to $50,000 $0 to $37,500
10% 0% $25,001 to $50,000 $50,001 to $100,000 $37,501 to $75,000
20% 15% $50,001 to $150,000 $100,001 to $300,000 $75,001 to $225,000
25% 20% $150,001 and up $300,001 and up $225,001 and up
With this huge reduction in rates, many of the current exemptions and deductions will become unnecessary or redundant. Those within the 10% bracket will keep all or most of their current deductions. Those within the 20% bracket will keep more than half of their current deductions. Those within the 25% bracket will keep fewer deductions. Charitable giving and mortgage interest deductions will remain unchanged for all taxpayers.
Simplifying the tax code and cutting every American’s taxes will boost consumer spending, encourage savings and investment, and maximize economic growth.
Business Tax Reform To Encourage Jobs And Spur Economic Growth
Too many companies – from great American brands to innovative startups – are leaving America, either directly or through corporate inversions. The Democrats want to outlaw inversions, but that will never work. Companies leaving is not the disease, it is the symptom. Politicians in Washington have let America fall from the best corporate tax rate in the industrialized world in the 1980’s (thanks to Ronald Reagan) to the worst rate in the industrialized world. That is unacceptable. Under the Trump plan, America will compete with the world and win by cutting the corporate tax rate to 15%, taking our rate from one of the worst to one of the best.
This lower tax rate cannot be for big business alone; it needs to help the small businesses that are the true engine of our economy. Right now, freelancers, sole proprietors, unincorporated small businesses and pass-through entities are taxed at the high personal income tax rates. This treatment stifles small businesses. It also stifles tax reform because efforts to reduce loopholes and deductions available to the very rich and special interests end up hitting small businesses and job creators as well. The Trump plan addresses this challenge head on with a new business income tax rate within the personal income tax code that matches the 15% corporate tax rate to help these businesses, entrepreneurs and freelancers grow and prosper.
These lower rates will provide a tremendous stimulus for the economy – significant GDP growth, a huge number of new jobs and an increase in after-tax wages for workers.
The Trump Tax Plan Ends The Unfair Death Tax
The death tax punishes families for achieving the American dream. Therefore, the Trump plan eliminates the death tax.
The Trump Tax Plan Is Fiscally Responsible
The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:
Reducing or eliminating deductions and loopholes available to the very rich, starting by steepening the curve of the Personal Exemption Phaseout and the Pease Limitation on itemized deductions. The Trump plan also phases out the tax exemption on life insurance interest for high-income earners, ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital, and reduces or eliminates other loopholes for the very rich and special interests. These reductions and eliminations will not harm the economy or hurt the middle class. Because the Trump plan introduces a new business income rate within the personal income tax code, they will not harm small businesses either.
A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate. Since we are making America’s corporate tax rate globally competitive, it is only fair that corporations help make that move fiscally responsible. U.S.-owned corporations have as much as $2.5 trillion in cash sitting overseas. Some companies have been leaving cash overseas as a tax maneuver. Under this plan, they can bring their cash home and put it to work in America while benefitting from the newly-lowered corporate tax rate that is globally competitive and no longer requires parking cash overseas. Other companies have cash overseas for specific business units or activities. They can leave that cash overseas, but they will still have to pay the one-time repatriation fee.
An end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad. Corporations will no longer be allowed to defer taxes on income earned abroad, but the foreign tax credit will remain in place because no company should face double taxation.
Reducing or eliminating some corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.
The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.
It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:
Enforce The Laws On The Books
We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.
Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.
Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.
Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.
Fix Our Broken Mental Health System
Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.
All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.
And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.
We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.
Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners
GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.
BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.
NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.
MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.
IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump’s immigration plan
When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).
In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.
The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:
Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.
Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.
Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.
Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We’ve become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program’s lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women’s plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.
BFH, the above post is why I would follow you through Hell.
OK.
Trump:
Supported Clinton’s “assault” weapon ban
Supports partial birth abortion
Supports Planned Parenthood
Supports nuclear proliferation
Supports a progressive tax system
Supports eminent domain
Support dudes in girls showers
Supports BLM (Bureau of land management)
Supports living wage
and this is just the big stuff I disagree with him on, and I probably missed a few.
Hey ya’all I met a Steel Worker today in NYC. I met my son for lunch.
The Union steel worker and some of his friends had Trump decals on their hard hats. They told me most of their comrades were Trump supporters, but did not want to publicize it because it may seem “racist,” or it may piss off their union delegates. You see, the media has stamped Trump as racist and the LoFos believe it. They told me that within the trades, the feeling is Trump will win by a landslide in the general election.
OK JohnS, Menderman, and the rest of you #NO TRUMP, advocates here, this is not a scientific poll, Just an observation. I have the same gut feeling myself.
And Mark Levin may need to pay attention also!
Let me just say something here. And it applies to both the republicans and the democrats. My wife ran for town council last year in our NJ town as a republican. And I went door-to-door for four months straight. We practically covered the whole town. The democrat incumbent side did very little.
But going around and talking to people 5 things I noticed:
1. Most people will not vote, because either they do not care about politics or they are disgusted with politics.
2. Foreign born citizens are more likely to vote and discuss issues.
3. Asians are the exception to #2. Except when there is an Asian running and they are from their home country, and they speak their dialect. Very weird.
4. Democrats will not listen to a republican candidate neighbor. Door slams!
5. Republicans love to talk issues!
Those are my top five takeaways from last year.
BFH, Big fucking deal. That’s his policy page, he has already blown past that, oh, yesterday!
It may be helpful if Donald Trump would read the policies that BFH has posted on BFH’s page.
Because I guess, The Donald does not have access to his own campaign page.
Lazlo has a pal that refuses to vote.
He doesn’t like Trump
His words: “if they win by one vote, call me”
My words when he asked what I thought about the current political landscape:
“My friend, I am your friend to the death. I love you more than some of my brothers. I would take a bullet for you. I really would.
But you are in the canoe of America sitting right next to me, and instead of helping me row this fucking boat you are sitting there with your fucking arms crossed like a pouting baby because your perfect Conservative candidate screwed the pooch and lost like a losing loser that loses. So my brother that I love, my amigo: Grow the fuck up.
It is what it is.
If life was fair I would be a fucking twenty star general by now.
If you take the vote that good men died to give you and throw it on the ground, then your sorry ass has lost the right to talk politics with ME!”
His mouth formed a perfect “O” as I drove away.
He is still mad, but he owes me money so he can stay mad all year for all I care.
Tommy, you bet. I’m BALUE collar. And Blue Collars voting for Trump. Won’t get fooled again. Do me a favor buddy. Hi fives from me all around.
Oh, and BFH, with all due respect, you sure know how to kill a thread you are losing in…Just post a 200-page finger buster!
Brilliant!
ah,hell, BFH just posted a 10,000 word response…I’ll read it in the AM..I’m out for the night….
Meerkat, is that what this is to you?
A forum to display your Win?
Hey BFH, would you not chide a user for posting such a long diatribe as opposed to a link? Your site, your rules, I get it.
Lazlo, please clarify your question.
What win, Lazlo?
Anybody catch where Trump was campaigning today? LOL, poor Hitlary doesn’t stand a chance.
Read your own post
Thanks Brad. OK I’ll say it. The assholes don’t seem to understand.
Trump is saying, and going to attempt to do, what most working Americans wan. t I say give him a chance. That’s what most of the world told us about B Hussain O. Give him a chance! We did. And as the Rev. James Manning from NYC said: “And the nigger failed.”
Lazlo, you jackass she lost and now our taxes are going up again. You are a freakin’ idiot!
Tommy, 5 years ago I never would have thought I’d have so much in common with any New Yorker. But you and sometimes BFH have educated me. I guess Blue Collar is Blue Collar no matter the location. And Blue Collar is who Obama has fucked the most. TRUMP!
what I want to see here is a return to the big tent that we are supposed to have. The attacks against anyone that dares speak against his ornageness is really disheartening. Attack is a sign that says, I got nothing….. Those of us that are not on the Trump train have legit concerns and the biggest one is we do not trust trump to actually do any of the things he says he will do, and he has the same narcissism problem as Obama. Those two things lead to a scary outcome. My hope is that he will self destruct before the convention or actually start making sense and stop saying and doing stupid stuff like quoting from the national enquirer and attacking news reporters for asking tough questions. Those are signs of a petulant child, not a leader. I would think people on this post would have seen enough of that under Obama. Well IMHO, we are looking at a white, slightly less liberal one in trump. so Geoff, do you want to ban me because I dare not march in lock step?
Here, folks ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Also here: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/get_over_what_about_trump_exactly.html
and here: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/05/trump-antics-have-been-seen-before
If you really want to understand us Non-Trumps?
Any kind of self-justification for not voting for aTrump js just attention grabbing bullshit. Trump is going to win despite your bullshit tantrum.
Hey! I gotta an idea. Why don’t you two idiots sit this one out. Just like the last one you sat out. you guys sound like born Bernie supporters to me. Go feel the burn.
Dp no, just get under the tent instead of trying to knock it down.
Meerkat you are spherically insipid
Go to bed
Non-Trumps are assholes because you don’t see the alternative. Fucking morons.
Rebels without a cause.
BFH Mark Levin should pay attention to you! Semper Fi Bro. Long read though. Had to pause for a drink.
Bad Brad, the two idiots? not me and BFH? WTF man!
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432708/donald-trump-media-supporters-principles-conservatism
Hey Go Pink have you not figured out that without us you cannot win and the more you attack, the more your leader spits drivel out his mouth the less likely we are to do so. Then that only leaves your great hero tack more and more to the left until the true Donald comes out. I and Meerkat and Menderman are giving you legit concerns and you just attack and attack.
dapeguin: You,meerkrat, and Menderman, along with Mark Levin, Jonah Goldberg, The National Review, The Weekly Standard,and the MSM are truly our “Legit concerns.” Y’all feel as, intellectual George Will feels, that we are “incapable of cognitive thought,” we are assholes. We have been called jerks, idiots,racists by you and your ilk.
I supported Ted Cruz, but now he’s gone. I assure you I am not a dunce, but Donald Trump needs all our support to defeat a most vile and evil woman.
Wise to fuck up!
BFH 2020
MAKE IOTW GREAT AGAIN !
don’t feed the trolls….
Moe, would you please document where those people called you those names?
They and other realists get trashed here everyday, but I have seen no evidence of them treating you that way.
John, with a straight face you are going to say that Trump voters are not sneered at as rubes, idiots, lofos, non-conservatives, or any other assortment of insults that are lobbed Trump voter’s way?
Seriously.
I used to link to Dan Joseph until he said anyone voting for Trump is an idiot. And Menderman has a bromance with the guy.
You’d think someone that is sensitive and careful not to use such words, so that you can claim it’s never happened, wouldn’t use surrogates to do his dirty work.
The high falutin pundits who hate Trump use code words like “blue collar” “not college educated” “angry” “frustrated,” while bloggers say “assholes and idiots.”
Try this on for size —> http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2016/05/my-special-message-to-idiot-trump.html
I’ve read this entire thread.
This is my takeaway.
One person answered the original question – “would anyone listening to Trump running on the same platform as a democrat listen to him on the stage and say ‘this guy is worse than Hillary.”?
One guy answered. He said, reluctantly, “no.”
Everyone else avoided the question, while one did a sack dance and announced at every opportunity that he’d “won” the thread.
Then, towards the bottom, one commenter came full circle and said, “don’t you idiots understand???!!! We don’t believe Trump.”
I’ve said all along, it’s absolutely idiotic to pick the bottle labeled POISON because you *think* the other bottle labeled NOT POISON might be deceiving you.
Then I posted Trump’s policy positions and one guy said, “they’re not true. He already changed his mind.”
Yokay.
Pssst.
Even Ben Shapiro has softened his position.
He’s soft-soaping you guys for what he knows is the inevitable and righteous position – VOTING AGAINST HILLARY.
He’s said Hillary is a nuclear weapon always pointed in the wrong direction. Trump is a faulty weapon that *might* misfire.
Get your minds right boys, you’re on the wrong side if you’re not doing everything you can to keep Hillary out of office.
You’re creating a wicker man that is every bit as dangerous as Hillary, and it’s simply not true.
The high falutin pundits who hate Trump use code words like “blue collar” “not college educated” “angry” “frustrated,” while bloggers say “assholes and idiots.”
Unfortunately for the pundits, there’s a shit load of us that fit in this category. And your damn right we are angry and frustrated. We are just like the Coal Miners except our lively hood left so slowly the average pundit never noticed. None the less it’s gone. And the GOP was just as responsible as the Democrats. Trump noticed. I see fucking Hillary screaming at the top of her lungs “My main priority is going to be bring jobs back”. Why, her husbands the one that started the exodus. So yes, some of us are uneducated and we are all frustrated and angry. Pissed off like no other. And like I say there’s a lot of us. Some even historically vote Democrat. Not this time around. We are just barely smart enough to know when somebodies been pissing on us and telling us it’s raining.
You can most small business owners firmly behind Trump as well.
If Trump can deliver on 25 % of what he’s campaigned on it will be a big win for this country.
If Trump had a D after his name I would not vote for him. I would never vote for a democrat, under any circumstances. Sadly, the Republicans that I have voted for the last 20+ years were really disguised democrats. The republic is lost, let the best criminal run the kleptocracy. My vote makes no difference.
Don’t be surprised if Trump pics a Dem running mate.
By the time I got scrolled down to the reply box, I forgot what I was gonna say.
yey bfh, i answered the question! unfortunately it was buried in my diatribe.