Concealed Nation: In an armed robbery that took place in Bakersfield, California, the store owner and his son quickly found themselves up against a few armed robbers.
The store owner had some things that he did correctly, such as being armed, but his biggest –and deadliest– mistake was not keeping a round in the chamber.
Not having a round in the chamber cost him his life, and the life of his son.
h/t Dave
This is so horribly preventable. Train as you fight/fight as you train.
You carry without one in the pipe you will die in a gun fight. Period, end of story.
I know Bad Brad is going to be pissed, but a revolver, in this case , is the answer. This guy, may as well have his gun in his desk drawer, and his ammo in another drawer.
Big Gun,
Yes, here’s another one that will get you killed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwgHN2o9vQ
Tommy, not pissed but I know people that leave an empty hole underneath the hammer of a revolver. A hold over from single action armies. Not required any more. I carry hot, outside the waste.band and practice dry fire 4 times a week. I hope it’s all a waste of time.
Bad_Brad, been preaching that on the range for over 20 years. Seen those that who after completing the ‘failure drill,’ instantly “THROW” their weapon down into the holster. “I’m done, fired my three.”
BigGun,
” The worlds a dark scary place and our life is tied to our gun”. How perfect is that.
Sad to hear the end results, did they at least catch
the POS?
In a store, he needs separation, inside of 10 feet
and you are phucked.
If I’m packin’ I’m COCKED ‘N LOCKED!
reboot,
Maybe, probably. But through training I’ll jump to his week hand side and pull my pistol and shoot his ass in under 1 second. If I end up taking a round it’s all bad. But who’s to say I wasn’t taking one anyway. I’ll shoot it out.
If I just had my pistol and belt on, I would feel dressed (scary visual to be sure). On the extremely rare occasion when I do not have my firearm on my side, I feel completely naked and vulnerable.
Part of that is the daily routine of dressing with the sidearm for 30 years. The other side is preparing for the fight that you pray will not come.
If you are at the range and honing your personal defense skills, you are not “shooting.” You are training to FIGHT! The only time at the range that you are ‘shooting,’ is when you are focusing on bullseye target competition/game shooting.
Any other time with a sidearm, you are training to FIGHT! When things go to sh…crap, you will ***ALWAYS*** revert to your basest and most consistently lowest level of training.
You couldn’t pay me enough to work in a retail store, especially a convenience store.
Sooner or later.
BigGun,
Yes, Yes, my live fire starts with 20 rounds of slow fire feeling that trigger reset. It’s really tough to break down all the basics. Being a pistolero is very tough. A non stop learning adventure.
Reboot, who cares (and I’m not attacking your statement, just giving another thought). In an active shooter situation, I go in and/or respond with the understanding that I may take a round. But the difference is, I’m going to take that S.O.B. out before I draw my last breath.
MINDSET.
(Part of the training of the mind as well as that of the sidearm.)
Brad, and… “Follow through.” 😉 That’s the one that many forget to concentrate on.
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.357 magnum
I only carry a revolver had too many problems with a Semi-automatic pistol.
The first round has to work you may not get a second
@Nancy Boy: your point? Again, sounds like a training issue. I do not suggest a semi-auto/revolver, one over the other. That point is immaterial. Do you like Fords or Chevys? Whatever the shooter is comfortable with and consistently trains with, is what they will be the most proficient with.
What is important, no matter the type, is the training and mindset that goes along with it. I’ve seen plenty of revolver shooters be unfamiliar with their weapon, to the point of not knowing which way the cylinder rotates based upon manufacturer.
The bottom line is that whatever someone carries, be knowledgeable of the weapon system, train and be proficient with it. Bottom line.
My point?
I just don’t trust a semi
@Nancy Boy: Training and familiarity no matter the weapon system.
OK, I’ve never had a failure to feed or a gun not cycle. I average 500 pistol rounds a month. You have a weak grip. Period, end of story,
Bad_Brad, yep… again back to training and proper shooting regardless of system type.
So, seriously, you can tell the trained dudes here.
What was this guys level of intelligent observation for
situational awareness?
I see this shit daily where people are just functionally
stupid about what’s happening around them. That is what makes
the difference on who walks out alive when you have a goddamn
tweeker trying to rob you. You can carry the coolest gun around
and shoot five hundred rounds a week, but if you can’t early
identify a potential hazard, you’ve been wasting your time.
Hopefully I’ll never have to pull.
Bad Brad,
Training is never a waste of time. Remember the boy scout motto: Be prepared, and I would add the life you save may be your own.
The real tragedy is for those that need to carry.
I choose not to live in that type of situation/society.
Sure i miss out on some things…traffic, homeless, gangs, stoplights, foul air, etc.
But i do know right where my car keys are…in the ignition.
As for a key to my house…i’ve lived here for 20 years, i gave up looking for them about 15 years ago.
I know, i know….it can happen anywhere, but i waste no time dwelling on it.
YMMV
Semi-savants, you love your handguns, you exercise it, you bathe it, you oil it lovingly, you pour over data of ammo with a thought to cyclic action and performance..
It works for you, nice.
Revolver-rowdys, they throw it in the tackle box, in the glove box, under the seat, in the back pocket with a tablespoon of garden grit. It may get cleaned and oiled a coupla times a year. They load it with whatever the sales man says is good stuff. When it is needed, you pull the trigger and it goes bang.
It works for them, nice.
One is not better than the other, just different, to quote Doug Marcaida: “It will keel.”.
I hate haughty handgun harridans.
I’m ready; I always keep the cap off my Wasp Spray.
@reboot: Absolutely correct.
@Extirpates: I’ve seen ‘training’ that was a waste of time, $$/ammunition, and only reinforced the person’s poor or bad habits because they refused to employ anything but their bad habits or poor techniques. They are reinforcing bad techniques and continue to reinforce that in their ‘muscle memory.’
Practice does not make perfect… Perfect practice makes perfect. 😉
“The store owner had some things that he did correctly, such as being armed… “
NO! the poor idiot was not armed …. unless you call a hunk of metal that you can throw at somebody ‘armed’
Always enjoy a good gun thread. Tragic these good citizens were murdered by punks whose mamas should have had Medicaid abortions.
Revolvers aren’t obsolete. One handed operation. No manual safety. Instinctive point and shoot. Can be fired from inside a jacket pocket, purse, backpack, bank cash deposit envelope.
After seeing some close combat in Italy my father traded his issue 1911 for a .38 S&W Model 10. Carried it through the Bulge and through V-E Day. Brought it home in the Wueen Mary. Said he never regretted the swap.