I’m sure childish morons who are still pining for a president they exists only in their minds will have a field day with Trump’s quote.
They will mock and sniff and point and pop on the balls of their feet as they aid and abet a Hillary presidency, all the while convincing everyone that the revenge they are exacting in the name of their failed pick is righteous and just.
On day one, instead of getting a sealed border, criminals deported, and our existing laws enforced to the letter, they will get a fat gal in a tiny pantsuit who will open the floodgates to more of what we do not want or need.
And, yes, I will blame you, you fartknockers. You’re idiots.
See Trump reiterating his immigration policy HERE—>
ht/ C. Steven Tucker
Love the way Cooper keeps saying, “people who haven’t committed any crimes”.
Anderson, they BROKE INTO THE COUNTRY! THAT’S A CRIME, for Godsake!!
BFH….tell it like it is. AMEN brother!
I had a feeling that the press and neverTrumpers were creating something out of nothing with the ‘softening’ stories. But Trump’s response will certainly lead to some childish retorts.
Popcorn futures must be through the roof these days! 🙂
Fartknockers is my new favorite word.
Anderson Poofter must live in one of those special little libtard elite bubbles and has not been affected by the well over 11 million CRIMINAL aliens.
Trump is a business man PRIORITIZING not “softening”.
Enforce the existing laws and the rat-people will self-deport.
No hiring of illegals – ANY fuckin illegals.
No welfare for illegals – ANY fuckin illegals.
Then give em a fortnight to repatriate.
After that, if they’re still here, seize their assets and use that money to repatriate them. ALL of them.
And that “hardening” is BULLSHIT. I heard him on Hannity.
izlamo delenda est …
fartknocking shitpickles.
Anderson and his NT play pals can go blow Leslie Jones.
People who enter this country without authorization from the federal government – green card, Passport, border crossing card – are committing a crime. People who enter legally on a Visa and stay beyond the expiration are committing a crime.
What don’t these leftist moron asshats understand?
Trump ‘softening ‘ is still 100x harder than Hillary.
Somehow, that didn’t come out right…
It seems difficult to accuse the more recent illegals of committing a crime by entering the U.S. when this very administration has practically begged for them to come in.
The fact is that no matter what we feel or what Trump might desire, nothing will happen to the 11 million or more that are here. That is because it would take a meeting of the minds and Trump knows that he will not get support from either party. He seems to be a realist and knows what his limitations might be. But, he keeps repeating the sentence that we have good laws and he will enforce them. So that may mean that he will put away the employers of illegals. In the end, there is no problem getting these people to leave, you just have to make life hard.
This is just the beginning of your betrayal. Let us see how far you will stoop before you realize trump is for trump, not for conservatives or America. Hillary is a pos, when you know trump mathematically can not win (and we’ve known for some time), it is instructive to see how much you’ll sell out. Not one penny to you or your causes now.
Fartknocker alert! Fartknocker alert!
Gwaricon— go suck on Andy Cooper’s shitpickle and then fartblossom in his face..it gets him excited. Now go back to Clinton News Network and stay there, twatwaffle!
Gwaricon –
I’m betraying who or what?
Someone that isn’t running? How can I be betraying them?
Do you want me to vote for Hillary?
Is that what you want me to do?
I’m asking earnestly.
What is it you want me to do?
Go back in time?
You should answer these questions if you want the Gwaricon name to not just be a clown name that hits and runs various sites.
We want to learn from you.
Educate us.
“it is instructive to see how much you’ll sell out.”
Who the F talks like that? Jeez.
A fartknocker that’s who
Betrayal of conservative principles and longer term arc of this battle, which will extend beyond 2016. You should be able to speak honestly about what a cluster the trump selection was, the fact that the Republican Party is irrevocably fractured, and that we who share conservative ideals need a new approach and will need to think longer term than 2016, since this current election is a lost cause. The lens to properly look at this election at this point is – what best positions conservatives for 2018/2020 and beyond? Allowing that a truly nakedly horrifying president is about to be elected, what can we do now to soften the blow. Allowing ourselves to be tarred w trump isn’t going to help that. My favored approach for 2016 is appreciating that GJ is pandering hard to Bernie Bros to bleed them off the dem side. Polls indicate that’s actually working and he’s tearing off more dems than republicans. What you should be doing is talking up LP to get them to 15% so GJ can pander w a more effective podium in the home stretch. Then you can vote for trump in private and quietly in the dead of night and hope he might have a chance.
It’s even more instructive when you shut up and listen. Maybe I’m the stupid one, but I heard him say he could soften up on the WAY he would go about deporting the illegals. Maybe softer accommodations 🙂
Can you honestly look at the state polls and tell me you foresee a reasonable chance of victory? Especially now that he’s going to bleed off border Hawks? Do you think the msm will grant him clemency or he’ll unglue some Bernie bros or independents who already have very negative opinions of him w the new language? educate me on why all the pollsters and demographics are wrong.
I heard the townhall where he sounded a lot like Jeb! Please watch the emotion based argument he seems to be endorsing.
Trump has top fix this.
Not providing the policy paper he promised is just fueling a growing concern that Trump will change course on immigration as he has on other issues.
This is dangerous because this issue has been the glue that has held many to Trump.
Claiming it isn’t an issue is whistling past the graveyard, and attacking people who bring it up is no different than covering your ears and saying “lalalalalalala”.
The race is tight, and Trump doing this isn’t helping things.
Gwaricon, Let me guess your solution. We should all write in Ted Cruz. How am I doing?
Nope. You should admit and criticize trump. Talk up GJ and vote trump in private.
“what best positions conservatives for 2018/2020 and beyond?” – Gwaricon
Trump does! Because nothing, and I do mean nothing will be an option if Hillary is president. Once SCOTUS is filled with leftist commies it is over for the republic. “Democracy” will reign. It is proven we can’t rely on congress to work for us. It will be GAME OVER.
Right now, you’ve got states like Mexifornia, who have set up welfare programs, free medical, and every other f*cking thing for illegals…. illegally. We’re just getting started if we can shut down the federal bennies.
Again you forget jagpald that hill dog is going to win anyway. The only way I can fathom him possibly upsetting is by giving GJ a bigger venue to poach Bernie votes. He’s pandered hard to the left and it’s actually working, which is why some of the major pollsters aren’t even including him in the polls. They know he needs avg 15% in 5 major polls. Msm knows this disproportionately hurts hill dog. If you can’t recognize GJ is your friend in this election you lose your only slim chance to win. And if you overplay your support of trump as a supporter/hostage victim, you will lose any credibility for subsequent elections. Trump is betraying us, so please call him out on it, even if the giant douche is still preferable to the shit sandwich. Just don’t beclown yourself by giving him your imprimatur no matter what he says or does.
Your insight is so hilariously preposterous, I feel like I should give you an ovation for the entertainment value of reading your comments.
” Again you forget jagpald that hill dog is going to win anyway. ”
Noted. Thanks. Why keep talking? lol.
“You should admit and criticize trump”
O.K. but I’m charging the rich son of a bitch admission for two.
MJA
Ex fucking zactly.
What’s this guys trip if it’s a foregone conclusion.
Talking to advise you to stop embarrassing yourselves and start playing the realpolitik games the dems have down much better than our side. As ace says, we are starting to sound like perennial losers. And Because if you Ryan in house and Schumer in senate the only way to stop the bleeding will be victory in 2018. People who prostrate themselves to trump won’t do well in 2018 once he’s been smoked. Dianny, in fairness, you’re right. The LP play is a long long shot. But there is no other shot. Just fast forward to 1/2017 and remember you heard this.
Did the smugness come standard, or did you upgrade?
Tell me. Next Tuesday the paving company is supposed to put the top coat on my driveway. Will it be raining or clear? Hot or mild? And if it does rain, how many inches will fall? I mean, if anyone would know it’s you, Nostradamus.
this moment will come up in 2017-18, when conservatives are marked by whether they noticed or willfully ignored that trumps immigration plan became Jebs emotivist one. So admit he’s flopped. Admit your disappointment publicly. Understand that the louder you appear to have been betrayed, the more palatable trump can be for indies or bernies, because in the tribal breakdown of this country, they hate you and would relish the schadenfreude,
So Gwaricon what your asking is that I smear Trump and champion Garry Johnson in an attempt to get leftists to vote for Garry? Then on election day I should vote for Trump? All in hope enough leftists vote for Garry so Trump can get the win? Because Trump is really just ratf*cking the GOPe “conservatives”?
Brad- Who knows. For attention? We all aired out our problems with Trump, etc. And we’re still voting for him and he still has a problem with it. Whatever.
If he wants to keep saying Hillary’s going to win, then let the baby have his bottle.
I’m not reading anymore of his repetitive comments. I have a life to live.
😀
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That guy ain’t from around here.
Bfh asked me to make the case. I adduced the swing state polls (though admittedly I isn’t specifically link them). Show me why the state polls – of which Nate silver got 49/50 last time and which we willfully disbelieved last time are wrong? When was this gap ever closed in prior presidential elections? What do you know about the next wiki leaks data dump that I don’t? Is the media going to report on that the way they glommed onto the soros dump?
Mja way to address the content of the idea and my rationale for saying so. rather it’s you who is clamoring for the bottle of unexamined idle hope.
In about 10 minutes we’ll see this:
I’m only trying to save you!!!! I’m only trying to save you!!!! I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!I’m only trying to save you!!!!
Ok, see you guys on the other threads. lol
Hey Fur, I think your site is being trolled by one of those Nigerian princes looking for a sponsor.
Just bfh, as he has a readership. I don’t know what you guys have said because I don’t read your blogs or regularly read comments here recently, sounds like you deserve your fate Mja. I’ll be drinking the tears on election night.
Bfh asked me to make the case.
Quoting fictitious inaccurate polls is not making a case.
I’m not exaggerating when I say that it’s been a while since I read a bigger pile of bullshit than what chumly is peddling here.
Well so far bfh issued a challenge. I responded and he hasn’t. sorry if an open contest of ideas = trolling. I didn’t realize our side now only wants echo chambers..
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Ok now we’re getting somewhere! Why are they bullshit?
“…our side want echo chamber..” ??
Let’s break it down:
The R candidate is Donald J. Trump.
The D candidate is Hillery Rodham-Clinton
You go in in the voting booth or mail in your ballot with either the R or the D bubble filled in.
Trump wins. Killery doesn’t. The End
Abigail, the bullshit is that you think trump is still a hero wanting us to ‘work with the good ones’ and pay for their EITCs.
Gwaricon: Killery tweeted. She wants her shiny hat back.
AA, Clearly you’re not looking at who is having babies and who is dying and who is importing relatives w liberation theology in their bones. What you do in the voting booth is one thing. What you say outside it to get more R bubbles filled in is another.
AA, That guy on a day pass from some where and he will only vote for a hero. Like Hillary.
Did I not say I was voting for trump, or is your reading comprehension not so hot?
You’d be better served encouraging others to vote for him instead of bad mouthing him. That’s an unusual way to go about getting him elected. And the alternative is not acceptable
The usual ways aren’t going to work and you need an escape hatch for 2018. That’s the whole point.
Talking up GJ to my liberal friends actually sways them. Trump, not so much. The other thing is that I don’t even have to feign my disgust w trump to them, irrespective of how I will vote.
I don’t have any liberal friends. I killed them all. You sound pretty liberal.
Oh right – my comment on liberation theology being a threat, my disgust w the eitc and the immigration sellout must have clued you in. Maybe the fact the you have no liberal friends makes you less equipped at actually convincing people outside our fold to do something which benefits trump (albeit indirectly).
GWAR – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwar
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“Easily identified by their distinctively grotesque costumes, Gwar’s core thematic and visual concept revolves around an elaborate science fiction-themed mythology which portrays the band members as barbaric interplanetary warriors, a narrative which serves as the basis for all of the band’s albums, videos, live shows and other media. Rife with over-the-top violent, sexual, and scatological humour typically incorporating social and political satire, Gwar have attracted both acclaim and controversy for their music and stage shows, the latter of which notoriously showcase enactments of graphic violence that result in the audience being sprayed with copious amounts of fake blood, urine, and semen.”
And I am supposed to trust your logic about this election?
Go smoke some dope with Gary and dream about him getting elected.
Gwaricon I feel you are missing that the usual way is not in action this election. McCain & Romney were the ‘usual way’ Trump is not. The GOPe again foisted the usual on all of us this go round and none of those are what America’s non-leftists have chosen. Clinton is without doubt the usual or ‘next in line’ for the leftists.
The great baseball stat nerd is good at his sports stuff for sure. I predicted the last two elections just as well as he had. I had hoped I was wrong, but I knew deep down that any GOPe approved candidate was just going thru the motions with little chance. Now 8 years of flat and decreasing every-dang-thing has many more people paying attention.
All the banter and chaff about Trump by almost every site, network, news paper, and radio station in an attempt to pull down the Donald for the past year has had little effect. So now asking me to help toss chaff so I have an “escape hatch” is seen by me as more balderdash.
I say fixed bayonets! I will not comply!
Nulla Vestigia Restrorsum
You are supposed to evaluate the ideas rather than a gag name portmanteau. You missed the part where I’m not trying to get GJ elected, just trying to get more R bubbles than D’s.
You typed it.
Go convince your GWAR fan friends to follow your strategy. It seems foolish to everyone here.
Ok but trump being non conventional and unusual was when he advocated a Muslim ban and deportation. Now he is selling those ideas out. The election used to be about trump, but at this point it has to be about ‘not Hillary’. Unless maybe amnesty isn’t such a biggie after all. It’s hard, anyway, to deport. The escape hatch is among other things so that illegal immigration can actually be dealt with. Because legalizing w/o citizenship is s setup for eventual citizenship w a swath of new liberation theology voters.
Also no, the msm effect didn’t hurt him w gop but he has very little room to grow w indies and blues.
Jethro, my fear is that we’ve lost 5/6 of the last popular votes. it seems you are plugging your ears and preparing for 6/7. Foolish.
Or rather not 6/7, but 15/16
Foolish is thinking that convincing people to vote for Gary Johnson will help Trump win.
Jethro, the Wankerpedia? Really?
Why didn’t you pick “Gay women against rape, GWAR” they are more well known than that band.
The problem here is that Trump is barely treading water against one of the least liked politicians in the history of the USA.
There is a reason for this, and no small part of it is due to the cult of personality surrounding him as is evidenced on this site.
Any criticism, no matter how valid is shouted down.
Any post that posits anything other than Trump being perfect and our savior is greeted with profanity and derision.
Trump is facing difficulties in large part to the fact that a lot of us DO NOT want a politician to “save” us. We want them to get out of our way. (sorry brad)
Question before I engage with you.
Who was your preferred candidate this election?
JohnS, and you think Trump will continue oppressive over reaching policies and regulations like we have now? Truth be known I’ll bet money you voted for Obama at least once
Any criticism, no matter how valid is shouted down.>>>
The criticisms are not valid.
Trump has said NO AMNESTY how many times?
Trump has said he is building a wall how many times?
Trump has now said in the first hour of his presidency he will advise ICE to begin the round-up and deportations of known criminals and end sanctuary cities.
GWAR,
Sorry I just can’t get behind anyone that says “Trump stupidly promised to deport 11 million people” “You can’t deport 11 million people” ” Trump is softening on doing what I consider impossible and stupid, therefore, he sucks and let’s get behind GJ as an escape valve… bleep da la bloop de la shitpickles.”
Sorry dude. You make ZERO SENSE.
“Trump is not a conservative. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!! If he loses he will set back conservatism!!!! If he wins he will set back conservatism!!!!”
Do you know how you sound to everyone that is not a fat, sweaty, balding editor of a failing website?
Gwaricon the libertarian ideals are swell. Convincing a lefty to vote for legalization of drugs is a bit different than asking your lefty friends to support the pillars of the representative republic.
How do you get the lefty to vote Trump or is that not your goal? Yes it is #neverHRC at this point in history.
Trump has not dropped the illegal alien invader ball or the extreme vetting of immigrants from terrorist areas of the world. Deportation isn’t hard, forty on a bus. Or are you feeling emotionally?
Trump is bringing in more each day. The GOP will have to change for any of the policies to be enacted. Instead of the Grand Old Party it will have to become the Globalist Opposition Party.
What happens in November will be written about for a thousand years, or we will be forced to kneel before the oligarchy. Choose one.
There are only 3% willing to water the tree.
JohnS – this is Gwaricon’s first comment on this article, and possibly on this site:
“This is just the beginning of your betrayal. Let us see how far you will stoop before you realize trump is for trump, not for conservatives or America. Hillary is a pos, when you know trump mathematically can not win (and we’ve known for some time), it is instructive to see how much you’ll sell out. Not one penny to you or your causes now. ”
He/she/it came in guns blazing.
You say to my response: “Any criticism, no matter how valid is shouted down.”
Damned right – that approach SHOULD be shouted down.
I googled gwaricon and that band’s site came up multiple times, and the one you brough up wasn’t even on the first page.
Besides, he/she/it didn’t try to correct me.
Grow up.
BB, no, I am not in your club.
That we are faced with a Faustian choice, as we have had during the previous two elections, is why we are where we are today. Struggling to convince the public that Trump is better than Hillary.
That Trump is massively flawed is obvious. That he is less flawed than Hillary should be an easy case to make.
That he is perfect and Hillary is evil incarnate is a much tougher sell.
Hillary’s supporters know that if she strays off the plantation that she will get pushed back in line, Trump supporters give the impression that all they care about is Trump winning, the country and ideology be damned.
Step outside of what you are doing and ask yourself;
If you saw others acting this way towards a potential government employee, what would you think of them?
If you are honest, you would say “not much”.
If Trump loses, it won’t be due to “never Trump”, it will be due to “In Trump we trust”.
This is the mantra I hear-
“No conservative. No peace!!!”
It’s a pretty stupid mantra, and I’m a conservative.
Your 3rd level chess machinations and plans sound great on paper when you’re giving Erick Erickson a hairy sweaty back rub.
But this is the real world.
Hillary or Trump will be president.
I want Trump.
I don’t want Hillary.
Pretty simple.
No need to go into hysterics about long-term plans and preserving the brand in order to get Ted one day.
Ted is dead.
Deader than Zed.
Hillary killed him when she became president in 2017.
She killed them all.
I’m not interested in a conservative revival, a la European nations, simply because the left made it a dystopia.
The trade-off is silly. Why discuss it?
No, I will take Trump’s brand of politics way before I will go through a dark period of progressive control.
Oh, and say one word like “Trump is a progressive and he’ll be just like Hillary”, and you’ll simply get the slime bucket and the floor will open beneath you, because you’re simply an imbecile.
That is not name calling.
It’s calling a spade a spade.
Trump is nothing like Hillary.
He’s closer to Ted Cruz. (Was that like a donkey punch? Sorry, but it’s true.)
JohnS, honestly I’m not reading past the twelve year old dribble. “I know I am, what are you”. Your an idiot. Stop addressing me here if you don’t want to be continually embarrassed. I’m not the only one that feels that way. Go Hillary bitch.
If Trump loses, it won’t be due to “never Trump”, it will be due to “In Trump we trust”.>>>
Utter bullshit.
Never Trump is not correcting the propaganda being leveled at Trump, they are promoting it, encouraging it and giddily contributing to it.
People like you are clucking their tongues at Trump, constantly.
What is it Trump is getting wrong?
What is it he is saying that isn’t light years beyond what either Romney or McCain was running on in terms of conservatism?
All we hear is that the line in the sand is FINALLY BEING DRAWN by conservatives because you held your nose for Romney and McCain.
What policies does Trump share with McCain or Romney?
Romney hates Trump.
Why?
What policy of Trump’s is too left-wing for Romney?
What policy of Trump’s is too left-wing for you?
What policy of Trump’s is too left-wing for Ted Cruz?
Fur, why do you always bring Cruz into the debate when you are struggling with an issue?
Like ‘never Trump’, the only time Cruz seems to get brought up is here and the conservative nuthouse.
In the large picture, both are less than half a pixel.
Blame people after we lose (if that is what you want), otherwise work on convincing people not only that he is better, but also that they want to be part of the group that supports him.
This should be obvious, but the carrot works better than the stick.
“He’s closer to Cruz”
Funny, Rick Perry is 8 points ahead of Cruz for Cruz’s office. Guess who Trump is supporting. Only one way to deal with a coward turn coat. Snuff the life out of them.
I don’t know where you two get your info on Trump.
I’ve read his positions on his site. I’ve listened to his speeches.
If he acts on 25% of his promises he will be the most conservative president since Reagan. If he acts on 50% of his promises he will be more conservative than Reagan.
If you look at Trump’s history he has always done what he says.
Why should I listen to you and not Trump?
It’s almost as if there are a lot of people that want this over and done with, complete with coronation of Hillary, before the debates in September.
Why?
I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Polls, if you trust them, have Hillary up by 5.
This mouthbreathing GWAR says NO CANDIDATE IN THE HISTORY OF EARTH HAS EVER ECLIPSED A MARGIN LIKE THAT !!!!!
Calm down hyperbole-breath.
You’re wrong. So shut up.
Jethro, on the same page as you wtf. And I gather you’re in tech.
What is Trump doing wrong?
Did you really ask that?
Are you so disconnected that you really don’t know why about half of the Republicans don’t like him?
Or are they just idiots?
Trump’s ass can be pulled out of the fire.
This is not a lost cause.
It would help a lot if his supporters did not get into profanity laced tirades every time the concept of him not being perfect came up.
Just saying.
Sorry. It was intended for GWARicon and JohnS.
Engineer
Jethro, You guys read the stuff posted on his website.
The rest of America listens to what he says.
Therein lies the rub.
Ugh!
Is JohnS & Gwaricon the same person?
Fur, why do you always bring Cruz into the debate when you are struggling with an issue?>>
Why do you say I’m struggling when I’m not.
You are. Your positions are nothing but psyops.
I’m not impressed.
I bring Cruz into it because NeverTrump are overwhelmingly Cruz supporters.
They will be punished for a Trump loss.
I’m goofy that way.
I tend to not like the people who are working against the person I’m looking to have elected.
You have a problem with that?
Why you object to me bringing Cruz into it is the much better question.
>>Like ‘never Trump’, the only time Cruz seems to get brought up is here and the conservative nuthouse.
In the large picture, both are less than half a pixel.>>
Why do you care?
It seems that many are just angling and weaving for a way to make Ted Cruz more viable in some far away election.
I don’t hear you chastising those people when they show up here.
Why is that?
You can learn a lot by what people don’t say as much as what they do say.
>>otherwise work on convincing people not only that he is better, but also that they want to be part of the group that supports him.
This should be obvious, but the carrot works better than the stick.>>
I do it every day. You haven’t noticed?
Oh wait, of course you have.
You usually show up at pro-Trump posts to spread your unusual brand of support.
#NEVERCRUZ
How’s that for a sig for every post I do like they do with Trump over at the other sites that you don’t characterize as nuthouses.
Jethro, he’s a fucking residential electrician that caters to poor people because he hates wealthy people. He’s typed that shit here. Now any business man/electrician worth a shit near the Silicoln Balley would be doing tilt up commercial work. You now, where the green is. My first indication this guy was a whack job.
What is Trump doing wrong?
Did you really ask that?>>>
Yes, I did.
Start with his policies and then you can devolve down to “he’s mean”, or “he made fun of someone.”
Only Rosie O’Donnell….
Guari or whatever his name is has Cheetos syndrome. Too much time listening to Glenn beck. I am officially ashamed that I was ever a listener / supporter of beck.
It would help a lot if his supporters did not get into profanity laced tirades every time the concept of him not being perfect came up.
Just saying.>>>
Oh, is that what GWAR did?
He came here and said Trump isn’t perfect?
And you wonder why you can’t gain traction here on the site.
I don’t understand this attitude against Trump.
I held my nose for McCain and Romney, telling myself that at least they aren’t as bad as the democraps, and envisioned them as placeholders until next time….
Now I am whitnessing someone who has balls, and says things I like, and I believe is sincere based on his history.
Why can’t these others at least see him as a placeholder?
witnessing…
FreedomCat,
Can’t you simply leave Beck out of it and just promote Trump?
I mean, there must be something wrong with you that you feel compelled to drag Beck into this. It must mean Trump sucks if you respond to his detractors.
Just promote Trump, and when people respond by powdering their face in Cheeto dust and saying he’s a progressive, give them a free pass.
That is the paramount issue!
(How’s my JohnS imitation?)
Jethro,Trumps holding round tables, asking questions, gathering data, not saying shit. Obviously he’s fucked up. This guy might be our last hope.
>>>That Trump is massively flawed is obvious.>>
Really. Give us the massive flaws. Remember, they have to be MASSIVE.
GO!
That he is less flawed than Hillary should be an easy case to make.>>>
I’m going to give you the chance of a lifetime. Make the case that Trump is less flawed than Hillary.
We will use it as the template for how to argue with Trump detractors.
GO!
>>That he is perfect and Hillary is evil incarnate is a much tougher sell.>>
Who said Trump is perfect?
GO!
Hillary’s supporters know that if she strays off the plantation that she will get pushed back in line, >>>
When did Hillary stay off the plantation?
GO!
Trump supporters give the impression that all they care about is Trump winning, >>
And why should we not be doing that?
GO!
the country and ideology be damned.>>
Trump is going to damn the country? How so?
GO!
Step outside of what you are doing and ask yourself;
If you saw others acting this way towards a potential government employee, what would you think of them?>>>
I’d think they were acting like Cruz supporters. See what I did there??
“(How’s my JohnS imitation?)”
Honestly not good. Try hitting yourself in the frontal lobe repeatedly with a sledge hammer and then posting something. Just trying to help.
Here’s an exchange at The Conservative Review that I couldn’t have scripted any better –
progressives_suck •
I’m a die hard Trump supporter and I’m also a realist, it would be impossible to deport all the people who are here illegally. What needs to be done first is the construction of the wall. This will prevent people we send home from immediately re-entering. Then a true and realistic discussion can take place about the people who are here illegally, obviously all criminals must go including all the ones who are incarcerated in our federal penitentiaries; let their own countries suffer the expense.
Doc Holladay –> progressives_suck •
Trump talks about America first and then allows over 10 million illegals to screw over our wages and steal our jobs. What is wrong with you? Progressives suck? Trump is a big ole heaping pile of Progressive
EriW –> Doc Holladay •
That is not what he is saying. He is saying focus on the worst parts of the problem first; border enforcement and deportation of the criminal elements. Sounds rational and realistic to me.
Doc Holladay —> EriW •
HuH? You Kellyann? or Sessions? Trump is full of it and lied to everyone and now you make excuses. Sad that you were conned. All of you were warned by Cruz and failed to listen. Amnesty jeb trump is not building a wall either.
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And that, my friends, are the debates in a nutshell.
It’s futile to even try and communicate with imbeciles.
1) 5 pt lead? Look at the swing state margins, which are the ones that actually matter. Please calculate for me his probability of winning. Oh wait, Nate Silver already did that and I linked it above. And keep in mind for folks more up to date on Trump’s evolving statements than his website and primary speeches, there will be some attrition due to the pretty obvious betrayal on deportations.
2) I actually do support deportations. Did you not read my bit about EITC which Trump is now going to force you to swallow as your own party’s concept. Romney’s actually now to Trump’s the right on this; he wanted to ‘turn the magnet off’ and induce self-deportation at least, rather than a big cash reward to most of these folks.
3) There were two arguments I made: a) Hillary is going to win so plan for 2018/2020 as our best chance to stifle her agenda, so admit Trump’s betrayal on this and other failings b) if you do want to try something to change our fate in 2016, use GJ as a talking point to subtract from the D column since it appears there is very little room for the R column to grow (http://www.people-press.org/topics/political-party-affiliation/ coupled with unfavorables http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html).
4) If you saw that Town Hall with Hannity where he asks the audience about the ‘noncriminal’ illegal immigrants, you’re telling me you believe he still plans deportation of these people?
5) I didn’t say Trump wasn’t perfect, I said he’s a cluste**** and you’re better off to admit it. What did he do wrong: Undisciplined campaign w high personnel turnover, minimal ground game in key states, mixed messaging, ill-advised fight with political pawn Khan, weak on so many details (hasn’t even seemed to have read Sessions excellent immigration policy paper on his own website). That doesn’t mean he isn’t the better choice vs Clint-dog, but I disagree if you think you’re going to win one more vote for trump by telling people he’s NOT selling you out on deportations.
6) Jethro, based on his very short stint as a conservative, you believe he’s sincere? He’s a placeholder, sure, but I don’t have to believe he’s sincere.
7) Psyops or realpolitik? And nope, I’m not a blogger or donor-class person, just someone who has exposure beyond the bubble you apparently live in. GJ has appeal for Bernie Bros but they won’t vote for him if they think Trump is a threat, hence the media giving Trump so much free attention while he ignores his GOTV effort, to keep up the verisimilitude of threat. Lefties will boycott stores and do coordinated campaigns – why can’t conservatives give the left false security by raising up GJ and having a standing order to pick GJ in polls so he can appear in the debates? It’s just tactical thinking.
Gwaricon, You are a Cruz bitch. You keep talking about how you plan on voting for Trump but spend 98% of your time here slamming him. Fuck off. Drift bitch, Sooper Amex, the white guy, misses your pouty lips.
You left out the most important question Gwar –
who was your preferred candidate for president?
Yes, I’m looking at the swing states.
Your characterizations are ridiculous before any debates have taken place.
Trump has shown himself to be incapable of debate on any substantive issues. Hilldog is a piece of shit liar, but she will be briefed. This I’m less sure of, but I strongly suspect it’s going to be as humiliating as when ‘wonkish’ Paul Ryan debated Joe Biden and got smoked. Dana Perino’s point (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/19/dana-perino-let-me-drop-a-truth-bomb-on-you-about-these-polls/) doesn’t seem to have been addressed head-on by you, merely ridiculed. So it’s you who left out the most important details – how does Trump win Pennsylvania, Colorado, Ohio, etc at this point? Who does he add to his ranks? It sure won’t be his GOTV. Wikileaks attrition?
You quote this debate, yet you do know that guys like Romney 2012, Duncan Hunter 2008, Jeb, Cruz 2016 and a few more have said that stuff about securing the border first and asking questions about the 11+ million later. My preferred candidate is irrelevant at this point, in no small part because Trump said he was ‘strongest on immigration’ and we believed him. FWIW, that perfectly rational staged approach is not the Sessions plan he sold on his website. Lied!
Yes I spend 98% of my time slamming him because he deserves it. I enumerated his flaws and you just ignored them above.
Brad, poor baby has to confront ideas that don’t jive with his narrow view. Sad!
WTF? Gwar – “here were two arguments I made: a) Hillary is going to win so plan for 2018/2020 as our best chance to stifle her agenda, so admit Trump’s betrayal on this and other failings”.
Just exactly who is going to stifle Hillary’s agenda? The SCOTUS by 2018 – 2020 will have a far left liberal 5-4 or 6-3 advantage and will be gone for the next 25-30 years minimum. The courts will be lost and that is a big part of the Left’s endgame for this country. Why this is completely lost on #NTs is mind boggling.
Oh Trump might do this, Trump is going to be soft. Bah. So its better that Hillary wins so we can re-position in 2018/20 is totally absurd.
So who else is going to stop Hillary? The House? The Senate? Bwahahahaha The same GOPe who told us in 2010, 2012 and 2014 that we needed to vote and put them into the majority so they could stop Obama’s plans and then folded quicker than a cheap lawn chair. You honestly think the GOPe is going to lift a finger to stop Hillary, especially after we have been lied to for the past 6 years?
That’s why we have Trump, because the GOPe has lied to the base for six years and they said enough. I don’t need to hear cocked up plans and schemes at this point. You either vote for Trump or you let Hillary win, its that simple. Hey, at least if Trump wins, that is where you will see the GOPe grow a spinal cord and hold his feet to the fire. If Trump tanks out, he will lose his primary in 2020.
Hillary is in for eight years, she will see to that. Plus the GOPe will line up its next “preferred” candidate who will be no better than Trump.
Oh and when Texas turns Blue after Hillary and her open boarders policy allows hundred’s of thousands of illegals to enter and set up shop in Texas, then it is truly game over.
Seriously, who is going to stifle Hillary? Other than her own health, nobody is going to cross her and suffer her wrath.
“Yes I spend 98% of my time slamming him because he deserves it. I enumerated his flaws and you just ignored them above.”
That’s what the primaries were for. You point out his errors and try to convince people that your candidate is better.
But guess what, the primaries are over. Everybody else lost to Trump. For the record for new people, I was a Cruz supporter. But he lost and for whatever flaws Trump has, they still far outweigh a Hillary eight year reign of terror.
The only people running around now screaming Trump’s flaws are those that want Hillary elected.
“Trump has shown himself to be incapable of debate on any substantive issues.”
???????
Let’s review the debates (the most watched debates in history):
First, there were 17.
Them there were 14
Then 9.
4.
3.
1!!!!!
Duh!
GWAR-
“My preferred candidate is irrelevant at this point.”
Why don’t you ply us with a little irrelevance and we’ll decide.
It takes little effort to push 4 buttons.
It takes much more effort to try and hide your agenda.
POLLS-
Trump win Pennsylvania, Colorado, Ohio, etc at this point?
RCP average in Pennsylvania — Clinton 4.5
RCP average in Arizona —– even
RCP average in Missouri —- Trump 3
RCP Average in Colorado — Clinton 11
RCP average in Iowa — even
RCP average in Minnesota —- even
RCP average in Georgia —- Even
RCP average in Ohio — Clinton 4.8
RCP average in Oregon —- Clinton 1
RCP average in Florida —- Clinton 3.3
RCP average in Michigan —- Clinton 7
RCP average in Virginia —- Clinton 11
RCP average in NH —- Clinton 8
RCP average in NC —- Clinton 1
RCP average in Nevada —– Clinton 2
Not seeing your doom and gloom with 2 months out and not one debate performed head to head.
Sorry.
Jethro — Remember that debate Trump skipped? He even won that one.
i don’t have an agenda except for conservatives to win. Please learn some finite mathematics so as to calculate trump’s overall likelihood of winning based on the swing state averages (what mattered in 2012). Maybe you really can’t interpret the numbers and so remain oblivious. Here is some more help http://election.princeton.edu/2016/08/21/sharpening-the-forecast/#more-17121. If you think the debates are going to give trump +5.5%, I ask how?
“i don’t have an agenda except for conservatives to win.”
Assuming you’re being sincere (which I DON’T),
to achieve that, you’re recommending we
* TRASH TRUMP
* PROMOTE JOHNSON
* IN THE HOPE INDEPENDENTS VOTE JOHNSON
* *S*E*C*R*E*T*L*Y* VOTE TRUMP IN NOVEMBER
(SEE: JAGPALD 8/26, 9:02pm post)
You are a cocksucking asshole Hillary/GOPe troll.
Yes. That is what I’m suggesting. Except it’s actually to hope GJ gets into debates and can splinter off Bernie bros. independents maybe, but less likely, Way to use all caps for reductio ad absurdum. Winning! Also I’m just doing this to get your blood pressure up? Look, I know many of you want to be debating a Cruz 2020 person but you’re just not. Cruz is done. Forever. So how about actually confront the ideas of the person you are engaging, rather than the imaginary argument in your head.