Does anyone know the answer? Is this documented somewhere in the annals of science and are the findings being suppressed?
An Asian kid made some claims at a science fair and it’s caused a Chinese Fire Drill (racist?) amongst the teachers, students, parents and administration. But is it true?
Before any “disciplinary actions” can take place, isn’t it important to find out if the kid is being punished for telling the truth?
I’m sick of that.
A Northern California school district is investigating how a science project correlating low intelligence with racial groups was on full display at a science fair, where it drew outrage from some students, parents and staff.
The project by a Sacramento high school student enrolled in an elite magnet program, titled “Race and IQ,” questioned whether certain races lack the intelligence for the program’s academically challenging coursework.
The Sacramento Bee, which published the story Saturday, did not speak to the student at C.K. McClatchy High School and is not identifying the minor. The project was on view with others Monday as part of an annual science fair but was removed Wednesday after complaints.
Sacramento City Unified School District Superintendent Jorge Aguilar on Saturday released a video statement noting his own struggles as a minority and saying racially insensitive language will not be tolerated.
“Yes, we’ll respect freedom of speech. But we will also uphold our duty to limit speech that is likely to cause disruption to our students.” He said. “No student should ever be made to feel that their race has anything to do with their ability to succeed.”
“The truth is a disruption.”
“No student should ever be made to feel (fill in the blank.)
WHY???
If my race was listed low on the IQ scale it wouldn’t be a measure of MY IQ, so why would I feel like I couldn’t succeed?
I’ve said all along that I get a kick out of some dipchit moron white guy, who can’t string two words together without two misspellings, thinking he’s smarter than Thomas Sowell because of a study on race and IQ.
The myth around black men is that they, on average, have bigger male genitalia. How does that help a black guy with a 2 inch pecker? In fact, this myth makes it hard difficult for black guys, no?
If women are expecting a stretch limo, even if you show up with a regular ol’ Lincoln it’s a disappointment.
But I digress, in a very weird way.
But you get my point… if I have one. (I’m one of those rare low IQ white guys.)
I read THE BELL CURVE in the early 90s. It confirmed that I was a RACIST (by the leftists definition).
The TRUTH hurst!
Check it out!
http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/2005-Color-of-Crime-Report.pdf
So this report several years ago when it came out and then it was a cast iron bitch to locate it again.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/pisa-and-bad-students-american-schools-add-value-but-demography-is-still-destiny
If black people looked at the kid’s science project and understood it without having it explained to them, then I suppose that would refute his premise.
More evidence that calif is anti free speech and the thought police. Notice the superintendents name.
He said “hard” hehehehe
from another low iq white guy
Trillions of dollars spent on attempting to educate the uneducable can’t be wrong.
Sowell points out that there are vastly disparate cultural and ethnic groups (and talents and achievements and successes0 within each of the fuzzy and biologically nonexistant categories called “race”. These separate ethnic groups individually merit study, and taking this approach would get around the PC hysterics.
Their desire to drown this out is like fixing that new funny noise in your car by turning up the radio.
The problem is still there, you just don’t hear it any more – until it breaks down even more…
Two things:
1. We all ‘know’ that some breeds of dog are smarter than others, and of course that certain dogs within a breed may be smarter than his brethren. So why could it not be the same with humans? In fact why wouldn’t it be?
2. I would have to look it up, but recall hearing that it is the upbringing that mostly controls IQ. People who were fostered by parents of a different race tended to fit the IQ of the foster parents. In other words it was the environment more than the DNA. Would have to look into this though.
Just mentioning this as a curiosity…there’s a theory in some Christian circles (and I’m afraid to admit that my own circle has its adherents) wherein the Genesis curse upon Ham is said to still be in force. This, some say, is why blacks (whom they assume to be children of Ham) have historically been underachieving as far as civilizations go and often servile to others. I’ve heard it said neither Africans nor American Indians ever had the concept of a wheel but if so that would prove nothing about God maintaining a curse upon either of them.
The flipside of the curse notion, naturally, is that God’s blessing continues to be upon the offspring of Noah’s other two sons, of whom are said to be mainly whites and orientals.
None of it has anything to do with why the world is as it is today.
Of course what’s funny is that the Leftists demand special treatment for the ‘oppressed class’, then demand that they be considered equal! 🙂
LCD,
If it’s true that we don’t take advantage of the full ability of our brains it stands to reason that it has to be environment that dictates IQ.
To use the car analogy, if we all have an engine that can go much faster than we’re driving, the people driving faster are doing something the others aren’t, and the engine has nothing to do with it.
For what’s worth, and based solely on anecdotal oberservations, some of the highest IQ individuals I have ever met have also been abject failures. Nature seems to have a way of compensating: “I’ll give you a high IQ, but I’ll take away some social skills.” Conversely, I know numerous folks who have average or lower IQs, but out of perserverance and mule like stubborness became very successful and happy.
IQ is only one measure. Sometimes it’s like judging the tastiness of a cake solely because the vegetable oil was measured perfectly.
@BFH
And some people are driving in reverse.
Unfortunately, according to some studies that Jordan Peterson cites, environment doesn’t seem to help IQ much. IQ is the single most predictor of success in life, but there are other factors that raise your chance for success.
Brass160 links to an article that ranks science and math skills by country, but that was not IQ but learned and acquired proficiencies that were compared.
Blacks do have an average score of 90. Average is really not all that good of a measure because it is across countries etc.. But Whites are about 110. Asians 120.
Speaking generally..heritability is a factor though it seems to play less of one initially. Then the culture kicks in. I’ve seen it play out in black, white and hispanic children. I think the asians get a leg up because their culture has is ordered against chaos. They are better drivers, to use your analogy, fur.
Lazlo’s Opinion:
In this case it is Nurture over Nature
Family groupings are different
Parental involvement is different
Local social stresses are different (learning is acting white)
None of these things are racist, but they alter outcomes along racial lines
And where does this leave the likes of Obama?
I’m in a professions which has contact with psychologists. Every one I’ve asked about this says the same thing: intelligence is neither monolithic (it’s no one thing) nor is it static (it can vary over time). It’s way more complex than just one score number or your placement on a percentile. They all say that unless you’re talking about the literally mentally retarded, relying on IQ alone — be it high or low — is pretty much useless.
That’s why there are several subtests which can reveal strengths and weaknesses in various cognitive skill areas (processing speed is a BIG one). These have been developed because going strictly by IQ is so outdated as to be practically useless (and in the case of some of the reprobate idiot MENSA members I’ve known, VERY misleading, as Wyatt pointed out above).
Profession, not professions.
Why do some races work so hard, at promoting ANTI-intellectualism among their offspring?
Maybe that would be a less racist topic to explore. Unless it’s more profitable to always BE a victim… 😳
“Yes, we’ll respect freedom of speech. But we will also uphold our duty to limit speech that is likely to cause disruption to our students.”
How can you respect freedom of speech by limiting it because of feelings?
Obviously, the results of his science project was incorrect, all you have to do is look at all the advances of culture in SE Asia and Africa.
The student’s outcome was skewed by the IQ test results of a few students who were placed in the elite magnet program based upon racial quotas and not abilities.
Actually that is not true. An IQ test can be administered in 30 minutes and it is the single most accurate predictor of success. IQ is a not a measure of math proficiency or learned skill. It measures how quick you can learn a new thing.
Head Start programs were the rage in the 70’s It was supposed to give the “poor” the opportunity to raise their IQ, their chance for success. Liberals were always doing a new study to show that it worked to raise IQ but it in reality, it did absolutely nothing long term. It was like studies on global warming, you do one study after the other to prove your need for funding
I think with Democrats in charge of the schools, blacks have suffered greatly, and Hispanics probably will too.
Dems want their pet voters ignorant.
cato, your assessment seems to be “anti-science”
20 points is the difference. The documentation for this is available if you search, but it is actively suppressed.
I think this was posted here years ago. It spells out the ugly truth dispassionately I feel.
http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/print#axzz56pPrl2Nl
IQ tests do not show intelligence per se, rather they are predictive of success in western style educational settings. The test retest of both the SB and the WAIS—r is good. The WAIS-r can also detect psychological disorders. Over long term testing there is test inflation WITH continued education, so that at postgraduate level most subjects score in the ~140 range (2.6 SD or “genius” level). Low self control individuals or people that do not take direction tend to do poorly on standardized IQ tests.
I’ve read what’s been posted as a Psychologist who has tested the full spectrum of IQ (from vegatative mentally retarded with IQ 15 pr less) to a few over 175 IQ) the biggest predictor of success I’ve ever seen is in Emotional Intelligence (the ability to apply what intelligence, leaning ability, awareness, environment, and emotional state you are in, and your ability to deal with success/failure/ frustration/intolerance/and pursuit of goal/targets).
If you are a quivering bowl of jelly when afraid then no knowledge of how to overcome it will help. If you are a raging violent person prone to blind episodes of rage (but have an IQ of 150) you still aren’t going to function and so.
Life Skills, habitability, and willingness to be flexible will make you a better ape.
“If you are a raging violent person prone to blind episodes of rage (but have an IQ of 150)…”
…you’re going to be damned dangerous and scary to anyone who knows you.
@Wyatt seems to have come up with a solution to a quandary I had about my kitty Zoe. She was a total retard. We used to joke that she only had two brain cells. She was a loving kitty, but what a dumdum. But then she would do something really smart out of the blue; like use reasoning to solve a problem.
It sure baffled me how she could be a retarded savant, but Wyatt’s comment seems to shed some light on it. Thanks!
P.S. I tested at 135 IQ in 10th grade but can now do about 165 or 170 in most tests because I used and gave most tests over the last 30 years or so.
I also hold (not to wow or brag) 3 master’s and 2 doctorates.
People will say you can’t increase your IQ with training but frequent test/retesting will conflate results.
The best thing to remember (and the hardest!) is that it is all relative and the testing process (because it is standardized and normed) penalizes true creativity.
Psychometry and the question of race/group IQ has some interesting reading, but you need to be discriminating (!) in your selection. Fred Reed has written many times on this subject, and his latest article from last November is worthwhile.
Among his own analysis and thoughts, he publishes a table of IQ by country, with two scores four years apart (2002, 2006). The difference over time is thought-provoking, and it sure provoked some thought in Fred. Of course, these scores are by country which is not the same as racial/ethnic group except insofar as some countries are much more homogeneous than others.
Give me a level headed kid with problem solving skills with an IQ of 100 and they should accomplish good things.
The people I had the hardest time counseling/assessing abilities of were the mildly mentally retarded (IQ of 55-60-75 or so) because sometimes they came to realize there were things they would never understand or learn and could limit their self-esteem (most Down’s Symdrome and FAS (Fetal Alcohol) Kids. They could learn to appear more intelligentthen they were but sadly end up in jail a lot more.)
What is so damn heard about accepting there are people smarter than you?
I’m pretty smart but I know a nisei, born in Manzanar, baffles me with his overall intelligence.
It’s not level in race, it’s not level in life, get over it, go back to work.
To say some races are as dumb as rocks is a disservice to rocks. That is why common core was invented to make all races as dumb as rocks.
It’s been my general observation that some people have a high IQ, but lack wisdom or common sense. I’ve known some really smart guys who weren’t wise or lacked commons sense.
Often someone who is wise with common sense will be more successful than the person who only has a high IQ going for them. Then there are the few guys (or gals) who have all three in abundance. My successes at out thinking them were few and far between. Dagnabbit. I either hated them or envied them.
The IQ red pill is large. Understanding my statement requires an IQ of 100 or higher, so I feel safe saying it.
There are startling and unsettling conclusions that follow from the studies about IQ and race. Asians and Ashkenazi Jews will rule the future. The “white man holding the black man down” narrative will eventually fall to the wayside and reality will win… like it always does.
just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmRW3netUiA
all I know is that I’m the smartest guy in the room …… when I’m alone
I can live w/ that
Old Truck Drivers Joke
Guy has an extremely high IQ. So high that it was hard for him to relate to normal people, therefore he had no friends.
He saw an ad in a paper that said this doctor came up with a machine that would alter a person’s IQ, so he made a visit.
After explaining his problem, the doc said sure, he could lower his IQ to the point where he could relate to more people.
The doc took him into a room and hooked him up to a machine and explained he would only need to be treated for ten minutes.
The doc got a call from his girl friend and didn’t return for an hour.
When he realized his mistake, he rushed in to ask if the guy was alright.
The guy said
“10/4 good buddy”.
Blink has it right. There is no understanding stupid high IQ people;
Uncle Al (as usual) has links great insight. (He researches everything and always gets it right)
And Hans – great job.
Maybe it’s because blacks haven’t been formally educated as long as whites.
Just another example supporting the saying “to offend a conservative tell them a lie, to offend a liberal tell them the truth”. Differences between races in terms of inherent intelligence are EASILY proven. Of course there are individual exceptions. There are exceptions to EVERYTHING when it comes to sociological phenomenon. But the underlying premise is undeniable…..unless you are a flaming SJW lib.
@Uncle Al: Interesting article, but I have difficulty with some of his conclusions, for example:
“(1) A mean IQ of 83 is sufficient to invent writing and exponential-positional number systems.”
It is not necessarily individuals with 83 IQs inventing these things. 83 is the MEAN IQ, which means you may still have a sizable, but proportionally small number of very high IQ individuals in a population dominated by much lower IQ individuals. The geniuses of the group under consideration developed these higher concepts and taught them to the dummies. Just as our society (mean IQ 100) put a man on the moon. In actuality, the rocket scientists with 130+ IQs figured out the science, and the lesser mortals did a lot of the grunt work.
Of course we could be more accurate and admit that there is only one race, but many ethnic groups.
Then look around and note the evidence that certain ethnic groups are more invested in the education of their children and also have high expectations. Often these groups encourage intact nuclear families resulting in higher economic status. Their kids are primed to excel academically and on IQ scores.
If you want to call that racist, you are missing the factors that promote success.
Your IQ (Intelligence Quotient) is based upon an English-speaking, homophobic, patriarchal, honky-centered, false premise.
IQ as designed by negroes would be entirely different in their results. Same as IQ as designed, defined, and measured by a bunch of fuckin chinks. Or japs. Or ragheads. Or mexicans.
What is intelligence? Survivability? Civilization? Invention?
Someone (or group) sat down and made these determinations, based on his (or their) personal world-view(s). These were not objective concepts laid down by God and transmitted to us by angels. So, while these things (studies) are interesting and entertaining, they should not be taken as Gospel – nor should they be suppressed – but treated with a grand dose of skepticism.
izlamo delenda est …