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Before We Go On Cruz Control – How Do You Feel About His Stance on H-1B?

Thursday, 29 October 2015, 22:22 BFH Uncategorized 81

Disney employees say they were replaced by foreigners that they had to train.

Cruz’s own site says he wants to increase H-1b visas by 500% in order to “effectively address the needs of our nation’s high-skilled workforce by helping meet the growing demand for workers in the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields. It will also make block grants available to states to promote STEM education efforts and increase domestic STEM professionals.”

Is that a highly skilled worker inside the Mickey costume?

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This is the elephant in the room with Cruz. He is all-in with the increase in foreign importation in order to bail out social security.

He says it’s for a lack of highly-skilled workers here in America. I’m not buying it.

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And now a rant from one of our readers. This is “FM” –

What’s it’s like to be an American STEM worker looking for work in 2015

I’ve been a software developer and a Linux Systems Administrator since 2000. I’ve worked for some of the largest American corporations in America today, developing custom data driven applications that help these corporations save time, money and resources. I love the work I do and I’m rewarded.

Finding work in my field was never a challenge until 2009. From that point forward, development work slowed to a crawl with no warning or explanation. Even with the downturn of the economy, there should have still been work available. There was no explanation, work had been turned off like a faucet.

From 2009 until 2015, I’ve been forced to take any contract job that I can find. Sometime in 2015, I read an article about how corporations are learning how to “legally disqualify” American workers so they can hire cheaper, foreign born H-1B Visa workers.

I was consistently able to earn a 6 figure salary until about 2009. Because work’s been sparse, I’ve been living on less than $10,000 per year. Recruiters have called me to tell me about some new position out there but the corporation only wants to spend $30,000.00 per year for the same services I provided at about 4x that salary.

Sometime in 2015, I ran across a YouTube video that answered a lot of my questions about what happened to the industry. In this video, an attorney is teaching Human Resource employees about the  “legal disqualification” of American workers by harvesting their resumes so they can hire foreign born workers with H-1B visas at a fraction of the salary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Because I still have to eat, I’ve decided to leave the STEM field and start a small retail business fixing computers. This is not an ideal situation for me, but at the very least, I have job security.

Thank you,

FM

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What’s up, Ted? We’re putting Americans out of work, work they are qualified for and work they want to do.

Ted, are you on board with providing business owners with cheap labor at the expense of Americans?

I’m not throwing Cruz under the bus, fully. But I have his leg under there until he can give a good explanation as to what he’s up to with this 500% increase in H-1B visas.

 

81 Comments on Before We Go On Cruz Control – How Do You Feel About His Stance on H-1B?

  2. Wasn’t it Rubio that had the answer to that? Advertise for 180 days and then you still have to pay the visa dude (or dudette) more?

    Anyway, Yes! Cruz! Lets get him in there for the big picture, and burn down the phone lines for stuff like this! He will listen, Hillary won’t. Trump probably won’t. Bernie won’t. Cruz will listen to the people.

    Cruz 2016!

  4. Cruz is wrong. No foreigner should get preference to jobs. None. However, Ted Cruz could be a big wheel in Trumps administration.

    I liked Cruz until Trump announced. Trump is the only one who has created jobs and knows how to do it. He knows inefficiency in government and knows how to correct it. He is the man that will be left standing, because he is what America needs now.

  5. He’s got so much right I won’t screw myself demanding perfection. He’s head and shoulders above everyone else on the Constitution and that’s enough for me.

    Jefferson and Reagan weren’t perfect either and I sure wish we had both of them back for a while.

  6. That’s the major sticking point I have with Cruz. If he wants to continue destroying good paying jobs for Americans by importing cheap labor in the form of H1-B visas, why should I believe he wants to stop illegal immigration (criminal invasion) simply on his say-so.

    In my mind, the H1-B has become just another form of illegal immigration in all but name. If he doesn’t realize the H1-B programs are just another chamber of commerce scam that is destroying the middle class, I don’t have much faith that he really has much of an understanding of a lot of other huge problems with the federal govt.

  7. M-I-C…R-U-Z

    I like Cruz but he is likely misinformed on this.
    I am a very experienced Automation Programmer that has gotten out of the business for a bit.
    I am tired of the bullshit and willing to enjoy more free time but with less money.
    Fucking government eats so much in taxes.
    This year they had record revenue…again, yet had to increase the debt ceiling.
    I have checked out.
    I am willing to check back in if this country gets it’s shit together.
    If not, I am ready to chill while the country goes to hell and I have to defend myself from the wolves at the door.

  9. As a recent IT graduate, I’m very interested in the STEM job market and read anything about it I can find.

    An article appeared about a month ago, sorry I don’t recall the source, but the data clearly demonstrates that nearly 50% of all STEM graduates today are unable to find work in their fields.

    FIFTY PERCENT can’t find tech jobs…so why in the hell do we need to import more H1B visa workers?

    Oh! That’s right, got to keep the Wall Street bottom line booming! Money grubbing, penny pinching, nickel nursing bastards who produce nothing that’s who.

    They’re like locust, devouring everything in their path and leaving total destruction in their wake!

    WHY DO WE PUT UP WITH THIS CRAP?

  10. That and TPP both piss me off. Yeah, he has explanations, but on both of those I would be more comfortable if he had taken a more instinctive and conservative objection to them. If he was to turn into a typical career politician then I would know we have lost in a big way. That being said, I’m all in for both him and Trump, they might be our last chance.

  14. That’s not on Cruz’s Presidential site it’s on his Senate site. Maybe he has reconsidered no? But i’ll deduct one point from his total just to be safe, 99% is still pretty damn good.

  18. Maybe we need a H1-B visa program to bring in low-wage replacement politicians and business executives, too?

    I’m sure random people off the streets of Calcutta can do a job just as incompetently as the politicians and business executives we currently have, but at one-tenth of the price, or less, that we pay for them now.

  20. I don’t trust any of them at this point. One thing about Trump’s promises on the wall is that I hope his ego would prevent him from reneging on it. He seems to place great value on his reputation for getting things done and I would hope he knows that if he didn’t build the wall like he’s promised, the people who supported him would be done with him and his reputation would suffer accordingly.

  22. How does Trump know inefficiency in government, his whole appeal is that he has never been in government. Cruz is the one that has dealt with and fought hard with no help from anyone against inefficiency in government. Give Cruz the reins and watch how efficient the government becomes.

  24. Also, to the point of doubting Cruz, positions contradict each other. He says he wants to stop illegal immigration (with American jobs being an obvious consideration) but vastly increase the importation of cheap labor (to displace more Americans from good jobs) with H1-B visas at the same time. It’s a bit like saying I want to make more laws to cut govt. regulation – you’re doing the same thing you say you want to stop.

  25. Well you just missed it buddy because I’ve said it and I have said that I appreciate what Trump has done and I have never bashed Trump on this site. Besides I don’t have to vote for anyone if I choose not too. You are the one that set the tone here between yourself and me with my first comment on this site when you said bullshit! So don’t worry about how i’ll vote just worry about yourself.

  30. Start running our government to the same criteria as a profitable business. That’s what everyone’s been saying since Lincoln and now your coming up with business men don’t understand the government infrastructure. That shit ain’t logical.

  31. I don’t believe Trump will follow through on his immigration promises. I know a lot of people who I normally agree with think he’s the one, but I just don’t see it. He doesn’t have integrity. He brings nothing else to the table if he’s a bust on immigration. He’s basically a liberal. What person in their right mind would want Hillary freaking Clinton at their wedding? There is no reason to believe that he’s had a change of heart and become a rock-solid conservative. I know everybody wants him to be the real deal but he will be a massive disappointment and we’ll have no one to blame but ourselves for buying his bs

  34. Kelo is not a non-issue. But no candidate is perfect. You have to weigh the pluses and minuses.
    Building a wall, deporting POS, and Trump’s economic expertise has me leaning on Trump over Cruz. I’ve met both candidates. Spent considerable time with Cruz. Briefly met Trump on a non-political occasion.
    Trump has more clout than Cruz, deceivingly smart and I personally believe Trump truly wants to leave a legacy that he “Made America Great Again”. The man is 69 years old.
    If Trump can’t do it, Cruz DEFINITELY can not. Cruz is too polarized in the political arena and my impression, speaks like a slick lawyer/politician. A HUGE turn-off.
    It all doesn’t matter – if we do not coalesce behind ONE candidate against Jeb – you’re going to get Jeb. Jeb has the money to outlast everyone else BUT Trump. Why do you think the media is campaigning for Ben Carson? To knock down Trump and Jeb Bush miraculously makes it in the primaries.

  36. Why are you hanging your hat on a Libtard attending a social event?
    Do you know what they do in Washington D.C.? They all drink, have dinner parties together and laugh at us assholes.

  40. If we don’t protect our borders and get rid of all the parasites that shouldn’t be here in the first place (including anchor babies), there really is no longer an America as a sovereign nation. That’s why I think that if the whole criminal invasion isn’t dealt with properly and swiftly, nothing else matters in the long term. It’s just that I see H1-B as just another form of the ongoing criminal invasion for the most part.

  44. I think a lot of us were deceived about the STEM visas until this year. I remember seeing article after article for years about how Americans just didn’t have the education and skills needed to be hired in the high-tech world. While we all despise illegal immigration, we were made to believe that these smart, educated people from India were the kind of legal immigrants that would strengthen our country. Only recently have the stories come out about how this system is being abused by companies to replace American workers with cheap foreign labor.

    It seems like the workaround to outsourcing. Instead of a call center in India, you just bring an Indian call center to the U.S. and not look so bad. Just like with American Apparel clothing: the factory is in downtown Los Angeles, so the clothes are “Made in America,” but they proudly hire illegal immigrant seamstresses, so they aren’t providing Americans with jobs and the clothes may as well be made in Mexico.

  46. I have been chief cook and bottle washer of my establishment (home) for near 1/2 century. I have seen “stainless” steel products become expensive crappy items over this time period – made in China.

    I have seen fabrics, with some innovative exceptions, become crap that I don’t want to spend time on in tailoring or sewin – made in China. I so miss the southern fabric mills of the U.S China, stick to silks.

    I had furniture housed in my spare bedroom for someone who was bequeathed a suite of new furniture until they bought a house. The odor of the furniture was intolerable to the point that I had to keep open the windows in that room for the first two years it “lived” in my home – made in China.

    I so want to see manufacturing return to the U.S. I will pay more for products if the construction and quality is there. I don’t need 6 Chinese made sweaters if I can purchase 2-3 American made quality sweaters.

    People started buying Chinese products because they were cheaper. This contributed horribly to the throw away rather than repair mentality Chinese made products are NOT really cheap anymore, just cheaply made in most instances unless the mfging is highly controlled by an American based company.

    Sam’s and other stores now have “Born, raised and processed in U.S.A.” on their meats. We don’t trust China with our food, and hopefully never will.

    Trump never promised us a return to American made quality products, but I’m suspecting with him in charge, mfging will return to the U.S. of A. especially if he gets the gov off the backs of business people.

  47. Cruz is my second choice. But it’s a distant second. I’m not sure he gets the dynamics of our economy. He needs to break away from the standard political bull shit and learn how it’s done in the American “Free Market”. Which is anything that free. Ted will make a bad ass VP to Trump.

  49. I don’t know where you guys are getting your information about cheap h1 labor. My experience, especially for tech workers ( and i can’t imagine it being any different for other highly trained workers) is they are paid the prevailing, competetive wage. They’re only cheaper to employ if they remain in their own country on their own economy.

    But here are the main problems and one of them is not easily remedied. First, way too many visa workers send most of their earnings home. That money does not hit our economy. No houses built, no manufactured goods, nada.

    The harder problem is manifold. First, we have had a shortage of tech workers for the last 35 years. There simply aren’t enough kids making the grades for SE degrees to fill the need. Second, and I absolutely hate this: way too many of the available seats at our schools go to foreign students . Many want to stay here, but many more want to graduate, leverage their internships into OJT, go home and start their own Google, FB, Ebay, or Microsoft, using all that slave labor back home.

    This is more complex than the candidates have l let on if they even understand the issue, but between Trump and Cruz, they are each only half right. Solving American competitiveness using home grown resources will take input from business, universities, and government.

  50. That’s the whole problem Abigail – the truth is that there is no shortage of qualified, American STEM workers and there hasn’t been. That is a false premise used to bring cheap labor into American companies to do jobs that Americans were already doing, except the prevailing wage for those American workers is about 30 to 40% more than H1-B visa holders. There are twice as many STEM graduates as there are jobs for them in the STEM disciplines. This article explains some of it:

    http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2015/08/18/donald-trump-aligns-with-iowas-chuck-grassley-on-h-1b-visa-reform/

    Excerpts from the article: In Trump’s policy document he pointed out that: “We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program.”

    “More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program’s lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two.” What this means is that more than 80 percent of H-1b workers are paid less than the average wage, debunking the myth of H-1B workers as skilled workers. In effect, it is just a way for employers to fill entry-level positions at the lowest possible price.

    There are many verified reports (Disney, California Edison, Toys R Us, etc.) of highly skilled IT people ($100k+) that are forced to train their Indian replacements so the lower paid Indian worker can replace them at $60k or less annually. And the H1-B visa holder is essentially an indentured servant that can’t look for better opportunities for 6 years as part of their “agreement” (or they risk being forced to return to their home countries).

    I’ve worked in an industry (telecom network design) where many workers have been displaced by shipping the production to India simply for supposed cost savings. The problem was that the quality of work produced required a skilled person here in the US to “clean up” the work done overseas. Where there were three Americans making roughly $75k a year, they were replaced by 6 or 8 Indian workers making maybe 2 or $3k a year, with one of the Americans keeping their job in order to correct the design errors made by the cheaper labor in order to produce acceptable product. It’s much the same with the H1-B visa program now. It’s not that qualified Americans aren’t available to do the jobs – it’s simply that they cost more than foreign labor.

  51. I think that a lot of people (including Bloomturd) are confusing Rubio with Cruz. The problem lies with the abuse of the H1B visa program. The story in bloomturd was before it came to light that companies were being allowed to abuse the program by the obola admin. The program is for when you cannot find enough American employees.

  52. Yes, clean up and correction of errors of a specialized item (Gizmo) for a specialized industry: Gizmo was made in Mexico for specialized industry for over 1/2 million dollars with assembly in the U.S. by U.S. contractors. Gizmo cost specialized industry company again as much for assembly because none of the parts fit together and U.S. contractors had to re-engineer parts. The alternative would have been scrapping the Mexican made Gizmo. Other working Gizmos purchased by the specialized industry company were German made. But company got pushed into Mexico deal for that particular Gizmo. Fail.

  53. This article says “t’s from Cruz’s own site” Re-read my comment I said it wasn’t on his presidential site. What you posted is from bloomberg. Go to Cruz’s presidential site and when you find this posted there get back to me.

  59. Cruz has not been ineffective he has called out all the corrupt RINO”S you despise. What has Trump done to fight them?. Money isn’t a problem for Cruz look up the numbers. Besides you’re telling me that the politician with the most money wins, doesn’t that mean the presidency can be bought?

  60. Cruz also states that he wants the wages these immigrant workers are paid to not be lower than American workers. This would keep the companies from passing over American workers to hire lower paid immigrant workers.

    PS Cruz’s request to increase H1-B was from May, 2013.

  61. Whether you agree with him or not, Cruz’s stance on H1B’s is irrelevant in the Disney issue because Disney isn’t following the visa programs rules. The visas are for jobs that can’t be filled my America’s. Clearly this is not the case at Disney.

  63. H1Bs are primarily used for high tech workers. The retarded public school system in this country produces burger flippers and not coders. We don’t need more burger flippers streaming up from Mexico. We do, however, need more coders from India. I run a web dev business and see this issue every day.

  64. Bubba’s Brother:

    The key phrase in my comment was “American competitiveness.” I’ve been recruiting primarily in the tech sector for 25 of the last 35 years, but this problem reaches across all specialties within STEM industries — like finance, hr, marketing, sales, etc. One has to look at the rise of salaries (those six figures most tech people have counted on) over the history of the technology era. In very flush times, a graduate from a good school with a good GPA could get multiple offers and eye-popping signing bonuses, stock awards and write their own ticket. This has gone on, with only short interruptions at downturns like the tech bubble in 1999/2000 (I think that’s right) and then again a couple years later and finally ’08, when the housing market collapsed. Global companies with the resources as well as well-developed offshore branches were the first to move product development to their cheaper operations, like India. It was considered good business practice (remember the stockholders) to do so and to remain competitive within the marketplace (which is global). And India, China and Russia weren’t the only countries with cheaper workers. Until they came into their own, Ireland, England and Israel were also good sources of cheap labor. Add to that concerns about unionization (remember the case against Microsoft to pay benefits to contract workers) as well as venture capital drying up and you had a perfect storm rising against American companies’ ability to remain competitive in the world market.

    Another aspect to this is changing technologies. Without going into the details (which are too numerous to mention here), technology companies have and always will be fanatically biased toward putting round pegs in round holes. I understand it to a certain degree; they need people who can be productive day one to lead teams of people. But part of companies’ problems is they don’t invest enough in retraining and retaining older workers. The word “fresh” will come to mind. This is what I meant by the term “home grown.”

    Sheesh! There’s so much more to this and I don’t want to write a tome.

    Bottom line: American STEM workers have just as much culpability in some ways as American companies. And in some ways it’s nobody’s fault, it’s just market conditions — salaries are the largest cost of product and the one variable that is less difficult to control. Add to that the theft of American technologies by countries like China (the biggest culprit, but not the only one), and America’s technology leadership role just doesn’t exist the way it did in the 80’s through the lion’s share of the the era. All that lip service to innovation by politicians is just all that and a bag of chips.

    Anyone could see our current situation was bound to happen. When I first started to recruit — less than five years after Microsoft went public, we could see the handwriting on the wall of shortages in *qualified* people to fill jobs. And that was back in the days of Fortran and Cobol! And back then one didn’t even need a fancy degree (because there were none) to move into that sector. The shortfalls were predicted in the mid-late 80’s and the estimates were on the low side. That is not a myth. What few STEM workers factored in was that America wasn’t going to hold the unchallenged rights to technology leadership they assumed we would. I don’t know if hubris or arrogance is the right word.

    Added to that is the vast contingent of American contract employees who, for various reasons, traded the perks for larger independent salaries (but who also reduced their ability to seen as team players and loyal to a given employer — and became niche experts in the changing tech landscape). These folks have a higher bottom line most of the time but they are the first to go when a company hiccups and they usually carry all the costs of their own healthcare, etc. It is the rare contractor who has continuous employment and they spend a lot of their time and money out of the workforce trying to add book knowledge to their resumes through additional college courses and seminars.

    Everyone still wants their six figures year after year, but don’t look at the problem of competition in a global marketplace. Everyone still wants share options and onsite gyms, six weeks of vacation in their first year, and so on but don’t seem to care what that is costing their employer on the world stage. As harsh at it sounds, up and coming countries are populated by people who will still sleep under their desks and bring their own soft drinks to work just because they are clamoring to compete for prize jobs that will end their own poverty in countries like India.

    There are just a whole host of economic factors — most importantly the cost of outfitting a U.S. STEM worker — that affect all of this. I’m not covering so much of it here. But it’s a topic that will need our best minds to sort out. I think it is unfair to point the finger at U.S. companies and call them the villains, though. Heaven knows there is a lot of material there to do so, but still it is unfair and misses the opportunity to really solve anything.

  69. India sends and pays for Indians to get educated at American colleges and Universities of Engineering, Math, and Physical Sciences, &c. and then the frickin Indians won’t GO HOME.

    Yuge problem with Civil Engineers, Structural Engineers, Physicists, Nuclear Engineers, Mechanical Engineers, IT people, &c.

    Since their gov’t has made a deal with our “gov’t” native Americans (US citizens) cannot get into those slots.

    We don’t need them. PERIOD. We need to train and educate Americans to do the jobs America needs done.

    Get the unions and the BULLSHIT out of education.

  70. “H1Bs are primarily used for high tech workers. The retarded public school system in this country produces burger flippers and not coders.”
    What difference does it make? Same pay under Clinton / Sanders.

  71. You are the king of nonsensical comments.

    If Trump wins and he deports all the illegals and builds a wall, I will personally start a movement to have his face carved into mt Rushmore. But I have zero faith that he’ll follow thru on his talk. This guy would say anything to get elected, which is what he’s doing. He has no convictions.

  72. This is possibly the lamest comment on the whole thread. You sound like the CNBC moderator that Ted emasculated.

    He’s been “polarizing” because he does things that are conservative. And he’s raising money hand over fist.

  73. Textbook example of why the US Senate has the best record of producing failed Presidential candidates of all institutions; because US Senators have to take strong positions on controversial subjects, many times in order to seek compromise with the “other side” only to be repeatedly burned by politics citing those now unpopular and long defeated compromises.

  81. I agree. Cruz remains my first pick. I even think now that part of Rubio’s problem (MAY be) that he doesn’t realize he’s being punked. H1-b’s are a SCAM. Like the author (FM), I’ve had real difficulty in the last few years. During the time I was out of work, I finished a degree in IT, thinking that’s where the work was. Out of 50 applications, I average one interview, still competing with several candidates. Now, I’m often contacted by recruiters who THEMSELVES are foreign nationals. They’re generally from India, don’t speak legible English, and have no clue what they’re doing. But they’ve taken a job from an American citizen.

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