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Your Feelings Have Nothing to Do with the Second Amendment

Saturday, 24 February 2018, 18:35 BFH Uncategorized 26

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Looking to capitalize on the public whirlwind demanding gun control measures, Ohio governor John Kasich took to Twitter to ask:

If all the sudden you couldn’t buy an AR-15, what would you lose?  Would you feel your second amendment [sic] rights would be eroded?  These are the things that have to be looked at and action has to happen.

What I’d lose should be pretty obvious.  I’d lose the ability to purchase an AR-15 to defend my family, my life, and my home because the federal government has prohibited me from doing so – i.e., infringed upon my right to do so.  The Second Amendment could not be clearer in declaring that the federal government has no such right enumerated in the Constitution.

If the practical result is that my rights are inarguably infringed, why would your feelings, my feelings, or anyone else’s feelings have any relevance whatsoever?

This is not a discussion.  These are my rights.  How you feel about the exercising of my rights doesn’t matter at all.  And if it is decided that your feelings warrant the legal erosion of my rights, isn’t it clear that what we’re talking about are not, in fact, “rights” as understood by our Founders, but allowances that government either permits or rescinds based upon the whims of a perceived majority opinion?

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26 Comments on Your Feelings Have Nothing to Do with the Second Amendment

  7. “If all the sudden you couldn’t watch the Evening News, what would you lose? Would you feel your first amendment [sic] rights would be eroded? These are the things that have to be looked at and action has to happen.”
    FIFY, K-Sux.

  10. Quote from wiser minds: the Volokh Conspiracy – written by law experts:

    “The global history of mass shootings demonstrates that the vast majority of these crimes are perpetrated in places where citizen firearms ownership is close to nil. While people can argue about cause and effect, the facts are indisputable.”

    Do we REALLY want to see how long it takes us to travel down the slope to Venezuela – which was the richest country in South America as recently as 2001?

  12. “If all the sudden you couldn’t buy an AR-15, what would you lose?”
    ____________________________________

    I suspect the country lose the governor from Ohio who’s father was a mailman.

    Leave my liberty and my God-given rights alone.

    Any questions?

  13. As the owner of an AR-15 who owns one for DEFENSE – not hunting or pleasure shooting, I’d like others not familiar with firearms to understand why I own one.

    My husband (who is a highly trained marksman) bought a 22 handgun for me for self defense when the world looked like it was going to hell in the financial meltdown a few years ago. At the time we lived on the fringes of a big city with all the crime fear that entails.

    I trained on the 22 handgun but the recoil made aiming difficult. He then had me try the AR-15. I was amazed at how much easier it was for me to shoot. Less recoil. More accurate. More confidence.

    If I’m in a situation where my life is in danger, I recognize that I will not be cool, calm and collected like a well trained shooter who has practiced over and over in high stress environments. I will not have muscle memory take over.

    I want a weapon that I am confident I can aim with a relative degree of accuracy. Because it is braced by my shoulder, the recoil is manageable and I can adjust the aim if the first shot didn’t stop my attacker. The recoil from the handgun doesn’t afford me that protection.. With a handgun, I have to re-position my hands and arms for the second shot which may be even less accurate.

    The AR-15 takes a 22 caliber long bullet. Pretty small. Even though the gun looks imposing, the bullet is much smaller than a 38 revolver or ammunition for a 45 magnum handgun.

    This is why the AR-15 is such a popular weapon. It’s not powerful enough to shoot a deer. In fact, you’re not allowed to use it for deer hunting from what I’m told. You’d only maim the deer, not kill it. Works ok for squirrels or rats – even the 2 legged kind.

    Old farts like me have it as a defensive weapon. Yes, it can be used by evil psychopaths as an offensive weapon just as Home Depot rental trucks and fertilizer have been used to kill innocent people.

    So Kasich, if you want to give up your armed bodyguards and take out ads that the state capitol is open to all comers without inspection or protection, that’s your decision.

    Keeping an AR-15 for self defense in the hope I’ll never have to use it is mine.

    Tell me, was your father really a mailman?

  14. What most of the anti-gun leftists don’t understand is that we already have strict gun controls in place, such as the High School participants that were totally and completely disarmed (and look at the results)! What they also don’t understand is that most of us don’t want to be caught unarmed and defenseless like the high schoolers were and will not depend on the government for the protection of our lives and those of our loved ones! The 2nd amendment stands and it will not be disarmed or weakened!

  15. HOW TO LISTEN/TALK TO A LIBERAL

    1. What they say makes no difference to them, no matter how stupid, illogical, hypocritical it may seem. They are communicating EMOTION not words or facts. They don’t care about the later.

    2. Talk to them not with facts but with tears, misty eyes, quivering chins, childish room storm-outs, shrill freak-outs about how our 2nd Amendment rights are being ripped away etc. –oh, and the CHILDREN! Who will protect the children? A cellphone?

    Just blubber on and on acting like an unstable misfit, BUT your emotions are understood that you love the Constitution, rights, your kids etc. –Believe me, that don’t understand anything else.

    Calm rational discussion don’t work because they get angry (more emotional) that you aren’t validating their emotions. (democrats have known this for decades)

  17. Saw Lt. Col. Ralph Peters on Cavuto this morning (btw, if you’ve ever seen Peters, his every foreign-policy solution is to either invade, or bomb any country with which the US has a dispute) & he was promoting his theory that AR-15’s should be banned because they are a military ‘assault weapons’ & are designed to create grievous wounds. He went on to state that the founders never intended for the Second Amendment to allow the public to have military-type weapons.

    What he fails to recognize, either by ignorant or deliberate motivation, is that the founders had just fought a war against the greatest army in the world at that time. They were armed with precisely the the same weapons as the British, the fabled Brown Bess musket. I will even say that they were, in many instances, from the opening battles of Lexington & Concord to Kings Mountain & Cowpens, armed better than the British military. Many of the Continentals used rifled muskets, which had much greater accuracy than the Brown Bess smooth-bore musket. Basically, the Colonists were better armed than the British. A fact that Col. Peters ignored. He would rather have the government in charge rather than the People. He either does not understand how the United States government should be constructed & run, or is in league w/ the those that want to subjugate us.

    I just read a news article today https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/hundreds-of-teachers-sign-up-for-free-gun-training-in-ohio where the free conceal-carry classes were overwhelmed in Ohio. We, the People get it, even if our so-called ‘betters’ do not.

    An armed person is a Citizen. An unarmed person is a subject.

  19. I shot a Garand in DCM matches and did well with it, then I bought a Competition H-Bar and a Match H-Bar for shooting iron sight and any sight respectively and liked them just fine. They were/are 3/4 minute rifles. I haven’t shot registered targets for quite a while now but still have those ARs and my Garand.

    About six or seven years ago I bought a R-15 for coyote calling and would have been happy with 3.5 minute accuracy, it shoots sub minute accuracy and affords me a second shot right away when two customers come into one setup. I bought it because the H-bars are pretty much a PITA due to their weight.

    I like ARs just fine, but for a defensive weapon I would grab an Ithaca model 37 first.

    The kids have an AR I cobbled together using parts from my “bag of tricks” which is what I call my junk drawers, it has a sliding stock and they like shooting it. It is made up of parts we took off to set up match rifles years ago when I was shooting matches. They seem to have a good time with it. The sliding stock makes it easy to fit any kid out to shoot balloons at a couple hundred yards.

    It’s pretty much a modular platform that can be most any thing you want it to be.

  24. 556/223 is my least favorite caliber in the gun. Most know we are a licensed Gun Manufacturer. We have a 7.62 by 39 Super Bolt that solves the issues in an AR with that round. We don’t build a lot of them anymore. Not a lot of profit in bolts. How ever we are notorious on AR15.com for our bolt. What ever. My favorite round in an Ar is Blackout. I use an AR from zero to 200 yards. After that I’ll grab my Creedmoor. After 1000 yards I’ll grab my Lapua. But I digress. 300 Blackout has less felt recoil and a much heavier pill. My wife was trying to swipe mine. So I built her one. Try and come up my driveway.I dare you.

  25. Brad,

    I don’t use a lot of 223. We shoot 22 & 17 Hornet out to ~ 200 yards and then our 22-250 & 243 varmint rifles out to ~550 or wherever when rock chuck shooting. For the ~ 250 – 350 yard shots I tend to grab a 17 Remington or 204 rather than one of the 223s and I very rarely shoot anything other than a bolt action at varmints.

    HOWEVER, that being said, I find the 223 to be a very underrated round for shooting out past 350 yards at varmints. We have a 788, a Howa Mini action and a Winchester model 70 with 26 inch barrel on it and there have been times when we were out in eastern Montana and had exhausted most of our centerfire ammo, but had a few thousand rounds of 223 still and it has held up it’s end of the bargain on prairie dogs.

    It is what I usually use for predator calling, using the Howa or a Remington R-15, and I don’t think that it can be beat as an all around predator round. There are better specialized rounds for shooting way out there, 22-250 or 243, and there are rounds that are easier on soft skinned fur bearers like foxes and bobcats, like 17 & 22 Hornet – but it seems to usually get the job done.

  26. JDHasty

    So, Freaken 243 is just bad ass. The most underrated round I’m exposed to in a AR10/LR308 platform. I had a customer drop a 350 plus point Elk in Colorado last year with one of our 308 platform guns in 243. At 450 yards. Must have spined him because he dropped like a rock.

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