Wa Times
Nearly half of American owners of electric cars want to switch back to traditional cars powered by internal combustion engines, according to a consumer survey released by McKinsey and Co. earlier this month.
The consulting firm surveyed consumers in multiple countries: the U.S., China, Germany, Norway, Australia, France, Italy, Japan and Brazil. Between all of those countries, 29% of electric car owners want to return to driving internal combustion cars, with 46% of surveyed American electric car owners wanting to do so. more
Well once again if you have money the E.V. thing pans out. Here’s how it works out. You buy your first EV and even though you can pay cash for it you don’t. You take advantage of the (I live in Cali) state and fed incentives for financing the damn things. Minimum down, 7 year term, they’re paying about $320.00 per month car payment. But no fuel costs. In 20 months you trade it in on a new one and start all over. Now on your state and fed tax returns you also have a substantial write off. Peep I know doing this are telling me transportation runs them about $120.00 a month. Total.
‘44% said they were very likely to postpone buying an electric car, and 58% said they were very likely to keep holding on to their current car no matter the type.”
a tatology. of course you keep your car until you have to haul it to the junkyard. when that happened to me I did the math and for me 33000 miles a year and ev was a no brainer. few people have that situation but everbody or at least most will do the math and make that decision. these surveys usually have an agenda though. they don’t do them for free and somebody funds this bullshit. you got to take it with that grain of salt
gas in California is insane. that and the incentives make it an easy decision If you have to shell out for a new car
^^^^^^
Sooner rather than later you’re going to need to swap out that battery in your EV. That’s when you haul it to the junk yard. The only way this works is get a new one in slightly under two years. The third year the tax incentives drop considerably. So I’m told.
no. the battery tech is way past what it was in 2016. catl warrants their new lfp battery for 1,500,000 miles but most batteries are now lasting 10 years. there is a far amount of solid data on them. it’s a disruptive technology and the recent advancements are pretty impressive
Jpm
I’m assuming you own an EV. Do the Fed and your state tax benefits drop off significantly on the third year?
I’ll keep my 73 Super Beetle. And my 2001 Ram with the 318.
Yes, my Ram had a rupture in the radiator a few days ago… but it will cost me 98 dollars. The hardest part about the radiator job is removing the cooling fan. And yes, in 2001 the fan comes off lefty loosey.
Fuck your faggot communist cars.
Jpm
That last question was to verify the info people are telling me. It wasn’t an argumentative query. Wife’s due for a new ride. If she can drive around for $120.00 a month that’s a no brainer.
Brad, jpm is lickspittle. All moron all the time.
Batteries work great with impact guns.
They don’t work well in automobiles.
You just change a battery in a shitty watch, or an impact gun, or a vacuum.
It’s not the same in an automobile.
I don’t think $120/mo will even pay for insurance on an EV.
“I don’t think $120/mo will even pay for insurance on an EV.”
Well now hold on there. You’re gonna pay the same amount for a internal combustion vehicle as you would for an electric. That’s a mute point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6gB4GXP4kA&t=3487s
@Brad; I’d check on the insurance before pulling the trigger (a gun guy pun) on an EV. A small fender-bender can total the EV because it can short out the battery and cause a fire. They are so heavy they cause huge damage to anything they hit.
One positive thing is the EV’s instant torque. It allows the driver to push more BLM idiots out of the road.
Insurance rates for EVs are higher. I owned an insurance agency for 8 years (sold it 18 months ago) and there was a rate differential due to the higher likelihood that the car would get totaled even for a minor accident. Any damage to the battery compartment was generally not repairable. At least that is the way it was when I was in the business.
With an EV you are not buying a car, you are renting a battery.
Just give me usability/reliability and take your iPAD/computerized bullshit and shuv it.
MAGGA
Make Analog Gauges Great Again
All I need to know about EV’s is that the government is trying to force them upon us.
They’ll have fun selling their used EV with the worn, weak battery pack.
That must be a hard hit on the pocketbook that you seldom hear talking about.
Just my personal observation, but it does seem that the only people who strongly support the EV are the ones that own them. My guess is that it’s too difficult to admit they were fleeced, so they will defend their stupidity to the bitter end.
Grobiden, stick evs up your ass
Everyone look at your recent car insurance bill and compare it to just a few years ago. Of course there is bidenomics inflation in there but most of that massive increase is because EVERYONE is paying for the outrageous cost of EV scrapping after minor accidents. A coworker of mine loved his Toyota PIOUS (prius) until he was in a minor accident and the insurance company told him they wouldn’t pay for a repair and only offered a check to cover the scrap cost because of the risk of possible battery fire due to the chassis damage.
@Brad – “Minimum down, 7 year term, they’re paying about $320.00 per month car payment. But no fuel costs.”
you get free electricity?
I have yet to see a real life comparison of ICE fuel cost to electricity cost for an EV.
The single biggest limitation to EVs is the grid and central power generation. EVs, no matter what level of sophistication, still need to be charged and we simply don’t have the Grid to support it. Gasoline has always been available as a function of Capitalism. The grid, other other hand, is at the whim of the government and we’ve all seen what happens when something is designed by Committee… It does not work or at best you get a mediocre result at a premium cost. Think seven chargers for 7.5 BILLION!
When the people pushing their EV agenda aren’t even serious about it, it’s just a pipe dream!
Go B:
“ I have yet to see a real life comparison of ICE fuel cost to electricity cost for an EV.”
One of the car guys on YT, did a comparison of gas vs plug in; the cost (when using a pay charging station) was nearly identical on a per-mile basis. Home charging may be cheaper.
And a long comes clean hydrogen cars, nice knowing you to the plug in electric vehicles.
Don’t know if it’ll happen because hydrogen is near free and big oil doesn’t like that idea.
There are cars that run on hydrogen right now.
The biggest problem with it is the containment, if you have a leak you can’t see it and you can’t smell it. Boom.
AJ – Just put a Biden diaper in the tank. You’ll know real quick when there a leak!
If efficiency is your concern, you can get an efficient gas vehicle that cost ~$0.08 per mile.
Highly subjective on where you purchase electricity, but an EV will cost ~$0.05 per mile if you’re charging at home.
But no oil changes you say? EVs are heavier and need new tires 2x more often than gas cars, so there goes that savings. In addition most will require suspension work around the 60,000 mile mark. It’s debatable, but routine maintenance can very well cost more with an EV.
If you want to be efficient with your time and travel long distances (more than 150 miles from home), that’s going to require a charging station that will cost about 2x the rate of home charge, bumping your cost per mile beyond what a gas car cost, and you’ll be spending a lot of time waiting to spend that money.
Not to mention the obscene upfront cost with an EV at point of purchase over that of a comparable gas car.
Everyone is different, but for a large portion of the populace, That Dog Don’t Hunt.
“Government subsidies can be critically analyzed according to a simple principle: You are smarter than the government, so when the government pays you to do something you wouldn’t do on your own, it is almost always paying you to do something stupid.”
https://rlo.acton.org/archives/106955-6-quotes-p-j-orourke-on-government-and-politicians.html
Substitute taxpayer for gubmint, it’s coming out of your wallet