Coward of the County? – Cop Hears Shots at Parkland School Doesn’t Go In – IOTW Report

Coward of the County? – Cop Hears Shots at Parkland School Doesn’t Go In

Friday, 23 February 2018, 14:20 BFH Uncategorized 101

I’m updating this post in the interest of giving all sides to the story.

Court of public opinion can be a bitter whore, but we must also have due process in that court. There have been many opinions on this issue.

The Florida deputy is speaking out and defending himself.

Our own Bad Brad has been advocating on behalf of the deputy in regards to protocol and good strategy.

Reader, Lawyer, has also sent me a very pragmatic analysis, sans emotion, that has me thinking, which is always a good thing.

Lawyer also linked to this American Thinker post which details the economic behemoth arming schools with paid guards would be.

Fox-

Deputy assigned to Florida school ‘never went in’ during shooting, sheriff says.

The school resource deputy who was on patrol at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Feb. 14 resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he “clearly” knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said.

Deputy Scot Peterson, of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, was stationed on the school’s campus when Nikolas Cruz opened fire with an AR-15 rifle, leaving 17 people dead and others wounded.

Sheriff Scott Israel during a press conference Thursday said video showed Peterson arriving at the west side of the building where the shooting took place. Peterson, Israel said, took up a position but “never went in.”

The sheriff said that he suspended Peterson without pay pending an internal investigation, but the officer resigned and retired.

more

ht/ bad brad

101 Comments on Coward of the County? – Cop Hears Shots at Parkland School Doesn’t Go In

  9. I think there’s more going on here than meets the eye. It was disclosed today that the Sheriffs Department has reports of this kid threatening people with gun violence.
    So back to this Sheriff that resigned. Protocol is wait for back up. Post up, form a perimeter wait for SWAT. If you watch the helicopter video that’s exactly what they were doing. I think announcing this today and the resignation are cover for the Sheriff totally dropping the ball here. In fact I’d say he’s got blood on his hands. Plus he’s a Lib.

    This is the reason LEO are not what we need in the schools. we need trained teacher with guns on their hips. There’s no time to get them from a safe.

  11. how dare you denigrate Barney Fife!!! … he might have fumbled his one bullet while trying to load it in his revolver … but there is no doubt he would have responded

    … as inept as it would have been ….

  14. The kids would have been better off with a civilian with a gun. Their protocol is bullshit and should go out the window when kids are being slaughtered.

    Brad, my daughter was saying tonight about the cop they had when she was in HS. She said she sat in the office all day gossiping with the kids who worked as office aides and would cover up for the thug kids she liked or her daughter dated and she doubted her fat butt could have gotten up off the couch she stayed glued to all day and pulled her gun anyway. It’s not like they’re finest are volunteering to hang out at school all day.

  20. Call for a back up, but take action. FFS!
    Some of these guys a re great at giving traffic tickets and shit like that, but they are cowards when the shit hits the fan. Been there, seen that before. Phuchem. They usually attain high rank. But this guy is gone.

  22. @BadBrad – protocol since Columbine is to engage the threat ASAP. Preferably with at least two officers/deputies. If you are the only one there, protocol is to engage. If Cruz had met ANY fire returned to him, he would have probably shit his pants and killed himself. This Deputy is truly pathetic. Probably avoided tense and confrontational issues his entire career.

  24. The courts have ruled (twice) that police have no duty to protect the citizenry. Police are only there to collect random taxes from the unlucky/unwary and to keep the citizenry from punishing criminals.

  25. Today a local right of center radio show had a school security “expert” on who said that there was no reason civilians should own AR-15 type firearms and they were only meant to kill as many people as possible. If that’s the case, why do our state and local police all have these firearms, to kill as many of us as possible? He also said they were not suitable for home defense, a shot gun was good enough.
    This is the mind set we are up against. Personally, I’ll take my chances and use my 870 Remington as back up for Colt AR-15, “expert” be damned.

  26. Not protocol for all schools resource officers to wait for a swat team. A very close friend of mine is in charge of a number of schools and officers and ever since the Russian school attack he started training his people hard. They train with swat and hit the range at least once a month , they have ar’s and body armor in their vehicles. They are trained to handle the situation by themselves or as a 2 or 3 man team.

  27. And as other school districts have done, prominently post signs on school property that says, We Encourage the School Personnel to the Lawfull Carrying of Concealed Weapons, and They Have Been Trained to Defend the Lives of Everyone on This Property. Or something to that effect. How many of those cowards would take on that school?

  28. Barney Fife would have gone through that door. Shaking, terrified, but he would have gone in and done his best.

    I posted above that I can’t judge because we don’t yet know the local ROE policy, or what orders that deputy may have been receiving.
    All this will be revealed soon, and litigated for years to come.
    Whatever the outcome, I don’t foresee any timeline where Peterson collects a Broward County pension for 30 years on some Australian beach. Ditto the Sheriff.
    Karma’s a bitch.

    Dana’s quite a lady. Smart, fearless, a class act in every way. Perfect voice for the NRA.

  29. Street Bob

    That’s up to the department. But I will guarantee you what I describe above is SOP for 99.9% of the departments. First of all your average cop is piss poor with a firearm. Most department requal is 45 rounds stationary. So it’s not like they’re out their practicing shooting in a crowd as they’re moving. I shoot with some talented cops. But they were gun nuts and talented before they became cops. That’s maybe 5% of LEO.

  30. Brad, I’m reading at a lot of different places that protocol for school shootings changed after Columbine and now they are to engage shooter because shootings are usually over within 5 to 6 minutes.

    Dan Ryan Galt, I get so sick of hearing people say that because that is exactly why we have the 2nd amendment is to be able to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.
    I have never been okay with turning our local LE into military units.

    Yet it seems like there are more and more LE who seem to think it’s okay to disarm us while they should get to play soldier and I guess that means we’re the enemy.

  31. Old Racist White Woman

    I’m not aware of any body that would set National criteria for Sheriffs departments. I know they interact with Homeland Security a lot. But like I say most departments are short on gun fighters, and they don’t practice moon walking and trigger isolation. There’s a lot to that level of engagement butit is easily accessible to practice and learn. Front Site does a pretty good job. There are POST certified police trainers that know their shit. To bad the departments don’t use them. It an acquired skill, and a perishable skill.

  33. Everybody wants to be a hero until it’s time to do hero shit!

    He was probably just counting the days until retirement (which he now is on) but in the mean time what could be better than a job where you can ogle school girls all day.

  35. Brad, I’m just going on what I’m reading by cops.

    I’ve told you before I know the majority of cops can’t shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Nothing makes me more uncomfortable or gulp down my food than to be in a restaurant and a group of uniformed cops to walk in. I feel safer if I know the same number of civilians are armed because they’re less likely to get trigger happy and a greater percentage of them are going to be able to hit what they shoot at and it won’t take them an entire clip to do so.
    Speaking for myself though I don’t give a shit about protocol, if kids are being shot, your ass better attempt to save them.

  36. I shoot a lot. We are testing our guns about three times a month, and at the same time I shoot a lot of pistol out of the holster. I’ve attended some pretty good classes. Some bull shit classes. I think I’m pretty good and my goal is to be better next week. But I’ve never been in a gun fight so none of that means shit. I’m not going to judge this guy. Especially since he works for an obviously fucked up department. That damn Sheriff (a lib) needs to explain to the parent as to why he couldn’t get this shooter in the system. It’s not like there wasn’t an opportunity.

  38. I hear shots and screams inside a school and I have a gun? I’m going in and I’m not even a cop. I might go in with a mop and a folding chair.

    This is not false bravado. I know me. I might very well die one day because I don’t back down from scumbags no matter the situation. (Well, that’s not true. I went after a guy once until he pulled an axe on me. That made me retreat.)
    (If I had a wet dirty mop I might’ve fought him.)

  40. It’s funny, but the Democrat Administration that sent my butt to Vietnam didn’t have any problem with me having an “assault rifle”. In fact, they even loaned me one!

    😉

  41. I spotted this on Knuckle Dragging today. I’ve been over there enough to think maybe Kenny’s been in a fight or two. Trainers tell you to visualize scenarios when you walk into a room down the street etc. There’s even a training manual out there called “Your own personal Gun Fight”. Like how the hell do you choose or control that? Getting to the point when you visualize, day dream enough that you gotta wonder if you’re day dreaming should the shit come down. A sane person will question his or her sensory input. And this link is awesome.

    https://youtu.be/IM_GSyQuinQ

  42. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, many, many cops suck! They just go into this field of work because they are control freaks. They overplay their authority and ruin it for the good of the people. Not all cops are good.

  46. WAIT!!!! The very last paragraph in the linked article says the police “found it responded to 23 calls regarding Cruz or his brother since 2008”. WAIT WHAT??? Cruz has a BROTHER who is also trouble and is currently walking around????

  47. I wouldn’t go in either, 2 cops maybe, but by myself, nope. Running in and getting shot helps no one.
    If you have ever watched a SWAT team enter a building it’s slow and methodical.
    They are highly trained to make entry correctly. Your average cop isn’t.

  50. Fur, you are my hero. A dirty mop and a folding chair. That’s exactly what might have saved two or three or four or five…and more, kid’s lives. I understand one can get shot many times in their limbs and even some organs and still live to tell about it. You’re full of surprises, dear Fur Hat. You are lion-hearted. I’m going to call you Sir Fur Hat from now on. Truly.

    I wish you guys would stop arguing about protocol. Officer Friendly should have run into that building sounding like a legion! (That murdering maniac didn’t know there was only one cop outside.) He was a coward, plain and simple. I hope he hears those children’s screams and the popping of gunfire for the rest of his miserable life. Shame on him, shame on his head. Coward.

  51. …so is sounds like it is safe to assume, going forward, that there are a lot of police on our payrolls who don’t think their job has inherent danger. Eat their donuts, become morbidly obese and then throw their weight around intimidating people with their badge. Way too many of them don’t enforce anything that goes against their department’s/mayor’s political agenda. How many law-abiding (conservative) citizens (of the United States) were mauled and terrified by criminals while the “good guys” stood around with their thumbs up their butts?! Dereliction of duty. We are sheep for letting these obese, non-performing “resting and vesting” gov’t functionaries retire with their big, fat, ridiculously high pensions and benefits. Sheep.

  54. Has anyone seen a picture of this guy?
    Is he part of a protected class?
    If he’s black or muzzie you can forget criticism.
    Is he an obese doughnut chomping bastard?

    We had immediate pictures of the asshole killer this fuckstick should have shot to death.
    This asswagon should be part of a parade in his honor instead of hiding out for the rest of his days.

  56. Among the ranks of the “first responders” are some of the stupidest, laziest, incompetent people around. I had to display a riot gun when one of them was wrecking my property during the Hurricane rescues with his souped up airboat.

  58. Did what he was trained to do, wait for backup then think about his pension money and retiring. This is why we pay these pension leaches so well for taking risks and doing jobs no one else would do, duck and cover till the smoke clears. Serve and protect your pension checks at all costs.

  59. AA-
    Hero shmeero (great, now I want a bagel).
    I’ve decided to open this back up to give a fair shake to the people who have a differing opinion without feeling as if the “hero” (Sir Fur- lol) wouldn’t approve, or allow, or whatever.
    That’s never the case here no matter what the original poster writes and this post seemed too “the verdict is in” to me. There are people I respect with a different perspective.

  60. We must all understand no policeman has any legal obligation to give his life for ours. None. We can’t expect them to direct traffic during an f-5 tornado. We can’t expect them to run into a building with an active shooter. But many do. These are the heros.

    Inherently, I believe we know this which is why we normal people hold police, firemen and volunteer military in such high regard. THEY know that the jobs they sign on for are more likely to result in their deaths than a gig with Amazon or Facebook.

    This Broward deputy was a 30 year veteran of the police force. After Columbine, procedure was changed to confront the active shooter rather than waiting for back up to arrive. This deputy KNEW that. He should have been trained accordingly.

    If he didn’t want to sacrifice his life for others, I understand. But he should NEVER have accepted the job at the school if he had any doubt about his willingness to run where lesser men dared not go.

  61. We the people need to let our schools know that these sad kids who are obviously troubled need to be removed out of the schools. When a kid acts up, get him out, instead of allowing one harm to be caused for so long. What about the other kids exposed to this kids bad behavior for some time? This Cruz kid is apparently really messed up. Why did it take so long to do nothing? Is it set up to happen this way? Bill Ayers said it decades ago: The American people will not stand for a revolution, “change” will have to come via evolution. Remember surrender your guns, for the children!

  62. If I was the school resource officer, I’d take my chances going in after the shooter alone, rather than get shot full of holes by jittery backup cops while I’m lurking outside behind a pillar with a gun.

  63. Once one crazy bastard (hopefully me) takes a run at the shooter, the others will take heart and swarm the shooter and stomp him into the next world

    It is not meet for Lazlo to judge the actions of another, having not been in that man’s position. He may have been ordered to wait for backup. It will all come out.
    I will look to marshaling my own nerve for when the time comes

  64. There is no government employee under specific obligation to protect the life of you or your children. See DeShaney v. Winnebago.

    People want to believe a police officer’s job is to protect life, even at the risk of their own, but I’ll bet you can’t find that in many of their union contracts. Many do, but those who do are called heroes for good reason – their actions are the exception, not the rule.

  66. Fur, I’m glad you reopened this. It’s a worthwhile discussion.

    I’ve gone as a civilian into dangerous situations unarmed (before my Concealed carry permit) because I heard someone in trouble. I know I stopped some ugly events and I believe I saved at least one life. I’m lucky to be here, in retrospect.
    Fool’s luck, or Divine mercy. I’m grateful either way.
    I can’t comprehend having a badge and an oath and freezing behind a pillar with a Glock in hand while listening to teenagers being murdered.

  68. Here is a portion of the Sundance Twitter thread concerning the political reasons the school and cops had an agreement to ignore criminal behavior of the students:

    What I stumbled upon was a Broward County law enforcement system in a state of conflict. The Broward County School Board and District Superintendent, entered into a political agreement with Broward County Law enforcement officials to stop arresting students for crimes.

    The motive was simple. The school system administrators wanted to “improve their statistics” and gain state and federal grant money for improvements therein.

    It’s important to remember, this was not an arbitrary change – this was a well-planned fundamental shift in the entire dynamic of how teenagers would be treated when they engaged in criminal conduct.

    The primary problem was the policy conflicted with laws; and over time the policy began to create outcomes where illegal behavior by students was essentially unchecked by law enforcement.

    The need to continue lowering the arrests year-over-year meant that increasingly more severe unlawful behavior had to be ignored. Over time even the most severe of unlawful conduct was being filtered by responding police.

    Now. You can see how that entire process gets worse over time. Present corruption (the need to hide the policy) expands in direct relationship to the corruption before it. This is where the School Police come into play.

    Understanding the risk behind the scheme, it became increasingly important to put the best corrupt cops in the schools. *BEST* as in *SMARTEST*. Those SRO’s became the ones who were best at hiding the unlawful conduct.

    Again, over time, the most corrupt police officers within the system became the police inside the schools. These officers were those who are best skilled at identifying the political objectives and instructions.

  69. No matter what happened, he went home safe to his family at the end of his shift.

    Think back on all the victims of Antifa violence during our 2016 election, the cops did nothing to protect kids, women, old people.

  70. How would you like THAT on your resume?

    How would you like that on your CONSCIENCE?

    I hope Scot spends the rest of his miserable life hearing those kids screaming, and someone manages to burn his house down.

  71. I’ve posted earlier that we don’t yet know the facts. 70% of all breaking news now prove wrong. We’ve only heard the Sheriffs version and he desperately needs a scapegoat to mitigate his own liabilities here.
    Then there’s the FBI, individually and collectively, and all the overlapping Social Services both local and State who coulda-shoulda.
    This will all be expensively litigated, for years to come, by a horde of prissily self-important civilian girl lawyerettes, all Class Of 2012 from the same handful of schools, logging billable hours long after the 17 dead are forgotten.

    Looks now like Peterson is a cowardly POS. But the Despatch radio transcripts and 911 calls and CC video and SO training manuals may be surprising.

    Me, I’d have gone in. I believe most of us here would have gone in.

  72. Then there is Johnny and Stephen at the church shooting. Not certain about Stephens name, but he ran barefooted to the school to engage an active shooter. Then Johnny gave Stephen a ride to chase the fleeing shooter that Stephen had engaged already as the shooter was getting into his vehicle to leave. Some are natural born sheep dogs and can do no other thing, but try to protect the innocent.
    There was a number of unarmed sheep dogs at the school. They should have the right to concealed carry on campus.

  73. Sir Fur Hat — I hope you don’t think I was kidding. Your unguarded declaration brought tears to my eyes. I’d want to be on your team for sure. We’d beat the ever-lovin’ crap out of ’em and then knock them back to the stone age with our folding chairs — or die trying. The very thought of doing nothing while defenseless kids are being shot up — while having a gun and being in a position to save lives — well, it’s just too freaking impossible to understand.

    Are we so far down the rabbit hole that protocol, pensions and precedence have to be factored before we give rein to our noblest instincts? It’s a sad day, indeed.

  75. Again, from a previous thread and posts…

    The reduction in “charges/arrests” were concerned with the Latino and Black statistics. This is the irony of it because Cruz is white, but adopted by Latino to then become part of the protected demographic.

    Much to be shaking our head over as I don’t see any real solution on the horizon and glad my two are long out of school to productive careers. Developing a bunker mentality where I refuse to go out unarmed or into the city (Shitcago). The move to another state would also demand a divorce from she who must be obeyed, but maybe one day she might see the light and agree to a move.

  76. Looks like there might be more than one officer that wasn’t able to get themselves past go.

    BREAKING: Not only the armed school resource officer but 3 other Broward County sheriff’s deputies were outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School during the shooting crisis and hadn’t entered – CNN

  77. The first positive here is CC permit holders (adult teachers/staff) will likely be cleared to carry on campus.

    Cheaper than hiring armed guards. And can be accomplished relatively quickly.

    #TheTideIsTurning

  78. The instant shooting began, half the phones in that school were all dialing 911 or filming or both. Lots more will be revealed.
    The “facts” are changing now by the hour

    First time gun purchasers and CC permits may set new records as realization spreads that suburban citizens are actually on their own.
    .

  79. Okay, so now that we know that any solution to this school shooting problem is going to include scrutiny of mental cases, let’s get out in front of this thing.

    If you’ve still got kids or grandkids or nieces or nephews in school, ask them periodically about the real problem kids in their school. We don’t have to act like vigilantes, but it’s good to take notes and compare notes with other parents, teachers and school officials. It’s good to let the functionaries know that you know and this time they’re not going to get away with sweeping their dirt under the corner of the carpet. And if a bad egg gets transferred out, find out what happened to them. Get in touch with anyone you know who might be on receiving end and unaware of what they’re in for.

    Meadow’s dad is right. If any of us can know just how dangerous our kids’ schools are, we’d be there every day. If we all wait for someone else to hold school functionaries to account, this is going to keep happening.

  80. joe6pak

    If you watched the helicopter live feed there were officers standing all over the place waiting on SWAT. My opinion is somebody made the call to wait for SWAT. It’s also being reported today that after they had the school secured they spent 20 minutes reviewing school security film trying to figure out where the shooter went. I think this Sheriff is throwing people under the bus trying to save his own ass.

  86. So now we have four who did nothing and it took another police force to come in and do the job.
    I don’t give a damn what their orders were. The sheriff, and anyone else who ordered them to stand down along with the assholes who obeyed orders should lose their job immediately along with their pensions and never allowed to wear a badge again.

    Then the low lives took credit.

  87. The deputy of Coward County got me thinking back to a much less serious incident as I wondered how I would have reacted.

    Years ago I was a teacher. (Mine was the generation where women’s choices were teacher, nurse or secretary).

    My first year I taught in the best high school in the area. At that time “best” meant parents had the most money because all kids worked hard and there was no grade inflation.

    I saw a boy taunting a smaller boy with a knife. He was threatening to cut the other boy’s shoe. Infuriated at the injustice, I acted without thinking and grabbed the knife away. Lucky for me, those were also the days when students respected teachers and the kid didn’t put up resistance or take a swing at me.

    Afterward, I started to shake when I realized what I had done and the danger I put myself in.

    I suppose that, even now, my first reaction would have been the same as Coach Aaron Feis’ – stop the shooter by any means available. He put himself between the shooter and the kids, no doubt trying to get to him.

    My reaction is just the way I was raised. That’s the way everyone I knew was raised. We looked out for each other and did the right thing.

    Of course we had God in our lives then so we all agreed on what was the right thing and the wrong thing.

  90. This is one chicken shit Sheriff ordering other chicken shits to act like chicken shits. On reflection, four Sheriffs standing down as gun fire rings out and kids die? This entire episode is more than sad. How many lives could have been saved if these clowns took action? Apparently three of them were hiding together. And the Libtard response is this is terrible, give us your guns.

  93. Brad, it would make sense that a chicken shit sheriff would want chicken shit deputies. If the people in that county aren’t majority libtards they would be demanding the sheriff resign and bring in a sheriff not associated with that department to clean out all the chicken shit.

  95. Most of these shooters are not wanting to taste what they are dishing out from anyone that gets near them, then they eat a bullet.
    My Daughter was a manager at a store in the Clackamas town Center mall in Oregon when I guy came in and shot two people killing one, then a
    CCW guy standing behind a suport lined up on him but didn’t take the shoot because people behind the shooter in some store. The shooter ran to the bathroom area and ate a round.

  98. I don’t know what Broward Counties policy is on active shooters. I have been a police officer for 25 years in a major metropolitan area. I can tell you that after Columbine, policy changed, and from what I know it was a national thing. You WILL enter any building whether you are alone or not and you WILL engage the shooter. Every gunshot you hear from inside while you wait outside for back up is most likely someone dying. That has been the policy that departments train on for a long time now.

  100. Slippery/muddjuice

    A hot topic on Instagram right now. About 20% of LEO are saying we’re told to go right in. Between 30% and 40% are saying we are told to go in as two’s. What agency would set policy Nationally for Sheriffs and Police Departments?

  101. Brad…..I don’t know that any association or agency can set a national policy for every department. I’m just saying that it became a consensus among agencies to do things differently than was done during Columbine. Individual agencies may have specific policies but the waiting outside for SWAT teams days were over.

Comments are closed.

iOTWreport.com ©2024 ----- iOTWreport is not responsible for the content of comments. All opinions in comments are solely the commenter's.