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Bumped -Klavan’s Latest

Thursday, 17 March 2016, 8:15 Dr. Tar Uncategorized 35

I fisked this video by Klavan on YouTube, but I didn’t want to step on Dr. Tar’s post. Since Dapenguin asked in the comments, “where is Klavan wrong?,” I’ve bumped the video and will add my thoughts at the bottom of the post .-bfh

This being Super Tuesday II and perhaps the day that cast the die for one candidate, Andrew Klavan offers up a thoughtful video for those in Florida, Illinois, Missouri and Ohio.

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I know, I know, Trump supporters, you’ll never watch Klavan again.  But hear him out before lumping him in with National Review.

He’s not making fun of you, he’s trying to jar you out of it.

Watch

Be sure to vote today if it’s your state’s primary, who ever it is you favor. Just vote Republican and scare a Democrat by adding the massive turning out.

 

UPDATE:

00:4 -Right out of the gate he suggests anyone voting for Trump is angry. And not for any good reason. They are just “angry types.” You can see it in Klavan’s dismissive demeanor. Angry is simply a substitute word for “stupid.”
Trump used undocumented workers in the past
00:12 – Does it matter that someone used undocumented workers in the past if they believe the practice must end and they seek to craft legislation to do so? Of course not. This is a stupid argument. And as I pointed out before, when Palin was still a right-wing darling everyone defended her daughter from leftist attack when she preached abstinence while pregnant.
Trump is going to let ALL the deported illegals back in
00:18 – When did he say he’d let them ALL BACK IN? He never did. He said his administration would review the deported and the desirables would possibly get back in. It’s Ted Cruz who said that they’d forever forfeit their right to be Americans. Another strawman, idiotic asinine argument by Klavan that seems to be resonating with the “smarter,” “less angry” anti-Trump supporters.
Trump’s muddled guest worker message
00: 20 – Trump said he’d limit H1-B. When did he say he wouldn’t? That’s right, he never did. Klavan is just making stuff up because he has a weak argument. Ted Cruz, who he supports, is the one with the muddled H1-B record.
Trump told the NY Times he doesn’t mean anything he says
00: 26-Doesn’t the right hate that lefty tactic of repeating a lie so often it just becomes true? Klavan is using the same tactic.
Trump didn’t tell the NY Times he didn’t mean any of it. According to what Buzzfeed leaked (if it’s true) Trump said there could be flexibility in negotiations. That sounds an awful lot like Cruz when he says, “to fix the problem we try to find bipartisan agreement.”  Klavan is trying to create the illusion that Trump will do a 180* in office. Nice try.
Trump as the maniacal military dictator
00: 40 –  Trump is trying to work out the most draconian plan he can to limit the impact that Islam can have on America. Klavan has a problem with that? He sounds like a moron lefty to me. I want the president to try for the stars and we’ll settle for the moon.
Trump the idiot has no plan on how to pay for things
00: 55 – Trump said he’d build up the military by going after waste and corruption and use that money to make positive improvements. That makes sense. Andrew thinks it doesn’t. The military budget is bloated with corruption. We all know that. We want it to end. Trump talks about ending it and Klavan sneers.
1: 07 – Klavan is making fun of Trump voters by using strawman arguments to try and make them look silly. But that’s okay, I guess.
Fair Trade is stupid and no one knows what it means
1: 30 – Klavan dismisses Free Trade as something voters shouldn’t or don’t understand. He says people benefit from buying cheaper goods. The issue is, with what money are people going to buy cheap goods if we do not have jobs?
A person who once took advantage of the good ol’ boy system is not the person to dismantle it
1:43 – I’m not angry about Trump giving money to democrats. I’m angry that politicians expect to be paid if you’re going to be a businessman. Trump said he knows the game and he’ll work on ridding the pay for play apparatus in DC.
ANGRY!!!!
1:50 – People make wonderful decisions when they’re angry. It’s a stupid argument that falls apart after giving it a moment’s thought. Aren’t Cruz voters angry?
Awful embarrassingly insipid rant. Try again.

 

35 Comments on Bumped -Klavan’s Latest

  2. Nah. Always too much a Bill Whittle wannabee — and never making it. Scott Ott is another loser…. Hard to believe how biased I have become. ….smile… ….Lady in Red

  4. i took the hint from the title and skipped the listen

    yes, i am angry, the system is completely broken

    but nobody is inspiring a different direction like trump

    the others are the same old bullshit and unmotivating

    in the end, will vote for whoever can beat the lying, empty-headed witch

  7. dapenguin; he’s wrong when he glosses over the unbelievably destructive, and completely un-American TPP deal calling it “free trade”, implying Trump is against this wonderful thing.

    Do you have any idea what’s in those two thousand or so pages?

    Didn’t think so…

  8. @dapenguin –
    Well if you like someone else,
    then obviously he’s right… right?
    I will say this – Trump’s got Soros worried enough to crack a big nut to support the Hillbag… again…
    I’d say The Donald is doing something right!

  9. So Klavan is basically lecturing us to go with the same ol’ politicians that piss on our legs and tell us it’s raining.
    Republicans made this situation. F.U. Klavan!

  10. Klavan doesn’t understand that I voted for Bernie Sanders today because I will vote for Trump in November.

    Can you even imagine how pissed I am to actually request a democrat ballot?

    Give me a convention chosen establishment goof for November, I’m going to stay home and get drunk all day.

  11. oh yes he is making fun of Trump supporters …. no doubt about it. he’s saying you are stupid because you believe all the things he’s pointing out (most of them totally out of context.. just like the rest of the media), but are still voting for Trump because …. anger.

    “I’m making fun of the idea that anger is a sufficient argument for doing what even many Trump voters know deep down is not the right thing to do.”

    so, what do you propose, oh highly-animated bald man? …. throw our votes away to an amnesty-loving, open-borders, too-big-to-fail one-worlder that will do nothing to stop the decline (just…. maybe, slow it down a bit to get us used to the taste), like the rest of the GOPe candidates?

    Fail!

  13. Andrew has bee reading Chinese News papers who get their news from the New York Times, National Review, The Weekly Standard etc. “Trump supporters are mostly lower-class whites.”

    Great rebut. BFH

  14. I can’t wait to see what shit-sandwich GOPer that Erick Erickson and his cabal proffer to the likes of Klavan, just to get him and his ilk out to vote. Erickson claims that polls from March prove that Trump cannot win in November, largely because Klavan and his ilk will sulk at home on election day. Erickson’s other ridiculous excuse for his Turd party bullshit is that pouting Republicans need a reason to come to the polls…SO THEY CAN VOTE FOR THE DOWN-TICKET REPUBLICANS? EFF YOU, Erickson. I hope you go the way of Michael Smerconish. You have a face for radio, and a voice for silent movies.

  15. I’m not angry-my support of Trump is very rational. He’s directly addressed the problems of illegal immigration and the moslim invasion with common sense solutions.

    He also has called into question the insane trade deals that have driven manufacturing jobs out of this country. I sure wouldn’t mind paying a little more for…everything…knowing that Americans are doing the bulk of the growing/making and for the most part, the money and that’s real money, not Fed Fairy Dust money, is staying here. In the long run, by paying a little more upfront, you’re eliminating huge back end costs like over run schools, prisons, hospitals, roads and huge welfare/social costs.

    In many places right now, there’s the notion that having had no consequences for illegally entering this country, there’s no need to follow local laws because no one is getting prosecuted. WTF? If I have 3 old trailers on my lot that I’m renting out to whoever, the local law is coming down on my ass like a ton of bricks.

    Is it really such a great deal to pay .50/lb for Mexican tomatoes? Or cheap Chinese office chairs? And if so, why aren’t there any American cars in Japan? Or why can I get cheap generic drugs in India but not here?

    The answer is simple and only one person has addressed it. In fact the other leading contender has voted for another insane 8,000 page trade deal that fucks us over. Oh wait, he offers some BS as to why. Whatever.

    And rather then argue policy, Klavern resorts to name calling. Great Andrew, nothing says I couldn’t be more correct then to have my opponents tell me I’m angry(stupid) rather then trying to show me why his pick is better.

    When someone says it’s time to put citizens of our own country first, why am I angry when I like that?

    Yeah

  16. Thirdtwin-I can’t stand fucking EE-my favorite aggregator, DirectorBlue, continually links to his bullshit. I keep telling him the only link I’ll open is the one titled, Why I’ve Choose Suicide.

  17. I voted for Cruz in the primary but it looks like Trump will be the nominee. I’ll vote for the R nominee in the general like I always do because the D is always much worse. At first I didn’t feel good about it, but now I known it’s the right thing to do. People like this Klavan jackass have convinced me so. Look at the forces aligned against Trump – Ryan, McConnell, Juan McCain, Sorros, Univision, all the major TV Networks, Glenn Beck, NRO, Nikki Haley, Hollywood, and many more. They hate and fear Trump for a reason. That reason has to be good for America.

  19. I suppose Thomas Paine, George Washington, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson et al had not one scintilla of anger against the English Crown. They just woke up one day and calmly suggested to the Colonists that it was a lovely day for a revolution.

  20. All it too was this for Trump to win all my support. In the 30 odd years that I’ve participated in the political process, I’ve never heard a candidate say something even half as patriotic.

    “We will have so much winning if I get elected that you may get bored with the winning,” Trump said. “Believe me, I agree, you’ll never get bored with winning. We never get bored. We are going to turn this country around. We are going to start winning big on trade. Militarily, we’re going to build up our military. We’re going to have such a strong military that nobody, nobody is going to mess with us. We’re not going to have to use it.”

  21. When a populace becomes “angry” at being raped and abused by their politically elected “representatives” and “agents” they have two (2) choices:

    1) Elect different “representatives” and “agents”

    2) Kill them all and start over

    America is choosing #1, unless and until the Oligarchy values their sinecures and thefts more than they do their lives.

    And who dafuq is Andrew Klavan?

    (ducks and runs out of room …)

  25. my future vote for trump is my middle finger to all the professional politicians who think I have to vote for their version of the lesser of two evils for my entire life.

    eff you!

  27. {quote}
    Trump’s muddled guest worker message

    00: 20 – Trump said he’d limit H1-B. When did he say he wouldn’t? That’s right, he never did. Klavan is just making stuff up because he has a weak argument. Ted Cruz, who he supports, is the one with the muddled H1-B record.
    {end quote}

    Yep, darn if you aren’t right, Trump has NEVER said anything that muddled his H1-B record or his position on guest workers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ2FEnBccgA

    NOT !!! But hey, he changed this position the following day

  28. so I know we have mixed opinions here and that is great, but I still stand by my question? I appreciate your insights on different parts of what he stated but I once again believe that (and I encounter them quite often), that some of the trumpets are voting for him because he they are angry. Stick your head out the window and yell “I am mad as hell and I’m voting for Trump!!” that is not a good reason to vote for someone. Cruz is still my first choice but as I said I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee but I am not jumping on the bandwagon. We just had 8 years of a narcissistic president that was a virtual unknown in the world of politics and how did that turn out. There is only one God and none of these guys are him and I prefer my candidate knows that.

  31. I like how he repeats how people are angry over and over, but never touches on WHY they are angry. Lemme explain it to you, Andy (may I call you “Andy”? No? Whatevs…):

    People are angry because the Democrats have put forth a felon and a Marxist as candidates for president. If the Democrats thought they had a strong opponent in the GOP, these two would not be in the running for the nomination. It’s what a football team does when they are 30 points ahead: they put in the second- and third-string guys. Let them have some field time. It just shows how no one takes the GOP seriously anymore. Of course, the Dems (and the GOPe) misjudged Trump.

    People are angry because this nation has for too long been led by legislators and presidents whose primary motivation has been re-election and the retention of their positions of power.

    People are angry because they hear the same promises to fix the same problems from the same politicians every election year. People are beginning to think that these politicians have no intention of actually fixing the problems. After all, if they actually fix illegal immigration, Social Security, ISIS, etc., what will they run on in the next election cycle? Wicker awareness? What’s that ribbon gonna look like?

    Andy, people are angry because the candidates you claim will be the best are so enamored with their own clean, Mr. Nice Guy image, they won’t say what they mean, mean what they say, and do what must be done. They are afraid to get dirty. They’re too concerned that speaking frankly about the things that trouble America might turn away some demographic that had no intention of voting for them in the first place.

    Andy, you want a candidate you can take home to Mom. I’d like that, too. But that candidate is for another time. Right now, we need a candidate who will get in the mud, because that is where the fight is. The fight is against people who try to make us fight clean, while they fight dirty – who write the rules you and I must adhere to, but exempt themselves from those rules.

    Now is not the time to get butt-hurt because your preferred candidate didn’t win. Now is the time to fight, and we need a fighter.

  32. Rush just said the owners of the AZ Diamondbacks, big Rubio supporters and RNC contributors, are willing to lose their fans in their effort to stop Trump.
    One would think that people in AZ would welcome a candidate who wants to shut down illegal immigration.

  33. O.k. – voters are angry. Need proof? Trump is the leading Republican candidate. Need further proof? Cruz is second. I believe that if Ben Carson had been a more dynamic debater, he may have held on to third.

    The United States has a black Democrat President, and Democrats pretend that he is a pretty good President. So why is Sanders, an avowed socialist who wasn’t even a Democrat until last year, doing so well with the voters in the Democrat primaries? Why does Hillary have rallies in rooms with a lot of people disguised as empty chairs and lurch to the left during primary season? Why do the Democrats have to trot out Wasserman-Schultz regularly to lie that everything is just fine with the party? There seem to be a lot of angry Democrats, too.

    The MSM and political party leaders are trying to pretend that voters aren’t angry. Well they are. They go to the polls and prove it in every primary election. And unlike prior election years when voters “ultimately came to their senses,” the results still demonstrate that voters are angry. Jeb Bush – gone. Chris Christie – gone. Marco Rubio – gone. Lindsey Graham – never really there, but gone none-the-less. Sanders is still hanging around, and Clinton, despite being the annointed heir apparent, still has to pander to the lunatic fringe left.

    There is a message here, and that message is that a lot of voters on both sides of the aisle are angry – not only with the opposing party, but with their own party as well. Republican Party leaders would be better served to admit what is obvious and act accordingly.

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